NFL Offseason

[JB]

We have our baseball hot stove thread so I figured we need this one too. So many things are going to be happening heading up to the draft.

[bogeyme]

I hope my Browns sure up the leaks on the Defensive side of the ball. I don't know that I can take another season like we had last year. We lost 3 games because our defense was horrible.

[JB]

The Browns have a defense? Ha ha just kidding. Your defense is like the Bucs offense.

[DDBowdoin]

I am expecting a serious draft for the patriots... defense defense defense

[bogeyme]

The Browns have a defense? Ha ha just kidding. Your defense is like the Bucs offense.

I'm starting to wonder the same thing. They pay people and give them the title of defense.

[DDBowdoin]

I'm starting to wonder the same thing. They pay people and give them the title of defense.

Man-GINA?

that was a tough signing, I am actually surprised he was given control of the helm... apparently he is not liked around the league for what he did against the pats

[JB]

DD,
You are correct right there. Mangini is not a well liked guy at all.

[DDBowdoin]

DD,
You are correct right there. Mangini is not a well liked guy at all.

I remember Billick called him out pretty hard core... face it, everyone does it!

[bogeyme]

Man-GINA?

that was a tough signing, I am actually surprised he was given control of the helm... apparently he is not liked around the league for what he did against the pats

I must have missed what he did against the Pats.

What do you mean given the helm? Last I read he was just coach and they were bringing in a GM.

[DDBowdoin]

Bogey, he blew the whistle on spygate... which was then blown out of the water by the media.

Unless you play in Dallas, the coach is the leader of the helm to me...

[JB]

He is not going to be GM, but what happened with the him blowing the whistle was bad in the eyes of the NFL coaching fraternity. Right or wrong, he did it for the wrong reasons. There have been about 7 coaches now that have blasted him over it.

[bogeyme]

Bogey, he blew the whistle on spygate... which was then blown out of the water by the media.

Unless you play in Dallas, the coach is the leader of the helm to me...

I see. That's alright I don't like Bill anymore anyways. :smile:

[JB]

I am praying that Tampa will finally draft a young QB to build around.

[Dent]

I'd just like to throw this out there:
http://brightstarimages.net/osc/images/04SF49ersHelmet.jpg
Suck

[DDBowdoin]

yup... pretty terrible Dent.

[bogeyme]

I am praying that Tampa will finally draft a young QB to build around.

I'll trade you Anderson for your first round pick. He got us 9 wins in 2007. :laugh:

[JB]

You can keep both of your qbs

[bogeyme]

You can keep both of your qbs

Ok well when he goes somewhere else and wins I don't want to hear you crying.

How about a second go round with Bruce G? He might be looking for a new home.

[JB]

He lives 5 doors down from us and he is TERRIBLE

[bogeyme]

He lives 5 doors down from us and he is TERRIBLE

He was a savior for us this season. Without him we would have put a kick returner as a quarterback.

[JB]

You can keep him. We used to think he had pictures of somebody to start in this league.

[bogeyme]

You can keep him. We used to think he had pictures of somebody to start in this league.

I'm sure he'll be a package deal to someone for a draft pick. Either that or he will be a second stringer behind Quinn.

[Buzz13]

Cleveland's defense can't be any worse than the Bengals. Talk about a yearly disappointment.

[Smallville]

I dunno. KC's defense was a major disappointment the last couple of years.

[julie_m]

Any rumors about the Broncos' head coach? That's probably what I'm most interested in. Or who the Jets will/might get?

[Smallville]

Edwards was fired today.

[Dent]

Edwards was fired today.

I think he looks exactly like the Indianapolis coach, they look like twins.

[bogeyme]

Edwards was fired today.

I was going to say something about that. So where does that leave KC?

[Farmergolf]

Bogey, I`m huge Browns fan also(I know, sorry bout my luck), but you couldn`t get a glass of water for Bruce G. I am thinking they will try to trade Anderson, maybe Vikes, but I think 3rd-4th round pick more likely. I hope they get the LB from wake, he is only def. player worth a top 10 pick.

[ActionJackson8]

I think most of these coaches will just end up playing musical chairs this season, I don't see how guys like Gruden, Edwards, and Shannahan will end up jobless.

[Smallville]

This doesn't seem to be a way to make being the Head Coach and have to deal with Al Davis very appealing, when you can't even pick your own assistants: http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80e6a8d3&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true (http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80e6a8d3&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true)

[Smallville]

From Fox Sports:


When Peyton Manning and his fellow Pro Bowlers pranked Broncos QB Jay Cutler by tossing him into the hotel pool, they forgot one thing. He has diabetes and his blood sugar monitor got fried in the pool. "It was a bad audible on our part," Manning said.

[bogeyme]

From Fox Sports:

I seen that story. Pretty funny. Things happen and hindsight is 20/20. If I'm thinking about the proper piece of equipment Mr. Cutler can afford a couple of these monitors. No one got hurt and everyone got a laugh. :laugh:

[Harry Longshanks]

I seen that story. Pretty funny. Things happen and hindsight is 20/20. If I'm thinking about the proper piece of equipment Mr. Cutler can afford a couple of these monitors. No one got hurt and everyone got a laugh. :laugh:

Except Cutler probably has one of the surgically implanted monitors that automatically monitors blood sugar and supplies insulin as needed. Hopefully it's just a matter of replacing the external unit and not something that requires an additional hospital visit and recalibration.

On a side note: Jay Cutler is in the Pro Bowl?

[JB]

He sure is....And the skies are shady in Hawaii because of his giant head blocking the sun. Could he have a bigger ego?

[bogeyme]

Except Cutler probably has one of the surgically implanted monitors that automatically monitors blood sugar and supplies insulin as needed. Hopefully it's just a matter of replacing the external unit and not something that requires an additional hospital visit and recalibration.

On a side note: Jay Cutler is in the Pro Bowl?


"I thought we were smart enough to get the cellphone out of his pocket," Dielman said. "But then, 'Oops.' "
The monitor was fried by the chlorinated water. Fortunately, Hawaii has drug stores, and after a few calls here and there, Cutler was well-equipped by lunchtime Wednesday Full story (http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_11630573#)

If they called around to pharamacies like the story said I'm sure it's just the daily monitor and not something that supplies the insulin. The Fox story said they called around and picked another one up later that afternoon so it wasn't something too "important". I know how important a monitor is seeing as how I use one daily. :sad:

[bogeyme]

You can have him and his motorcycle. :laugh:

Winslow to Tampa Bay (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3939777)

[Smallville]

Chiefs trade for Vrabel: http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/2009/02/vrabel_trade_co.html (http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/2009/02/vrabel_trade_co.html).

Pretty good move, if for nothing else but the leadership he will provide (he'll be 34 when the season starts so he doesn't have a lot of good years left). I hope this is only for one or two seasons and the compensation isn't too great.

KC has also released Damon Huard, Donnie Edwards and Patrick Surtain earlier in the week.

[JB]

Chiefts trade for Matt Cassell. I am not sure he is the answer, but better than what they have.

[Smallville]

I was wondering if they were going to do that. I hope he wasn't good last year only because of the team he was on.

Seriously only a 2nd round pick in this draft for BOTH Cassel and Vrabel?


After putting the franchise tag on Cassel as insurance for their two-time Super Bowl MVP, the Patriots shipped Cassel and linebacker Vrabel to Kansas City on Saturday. The Chiefs gave up shockingly little — the 34th overall pick in the April draft for both players.

The Chiefs have the third overall selection following a franchise-worst 2-14 season. In yielding their second-round draft choice, they acquire a reliable 12-year veteran linebacker and a proven young quarterback who could immediately fill one of their most urgent needs.

[JB]

Smallie,
Like I said, I think he was a system QB more than anything. But I hope I am wrong, because I want Arrowhead to get rocking again.

[Osahar]

Just got home and spotted the New England - Kansas City trade. I'm just not sure why you'd give up those two players for a 34th pick in the draft. Is there something else in the deal that we're not hearing?

[907golfer12]

I saw the Cassell thing on Yahoo, but didn't he have the franchise tag?

[JB]

He did, but they traded him, and because there is no signing bonus, there is no hit to the cap.

[907golfer12]

He did, but they traded him, and because there is no signing bonus, there is no hit to the cap.

I thought if you had the franchise tag that you couldn't get traded?

Actually I don't know to much about the "tag," I'm kind of firing shots in the dark here.

[JB]

That sounds dangerous 907...hehe.

[907golfer12]

That sounds dangerous 907...hehe.

It definitely can be. haha.

[Smallville]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9280504/?MSNHPHCP&GT1=39002 (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9280504/?MSNHPHCP&GT1=39002)

[MO_Hacker]

Wow that is a pretty crazy story, hope it ends well.

[MO_Hacker]

How long will it take you to earn Albert Haynesworths yearly salary (http://sports.espn.go.com/espnradio/salary/index?athleteId=3939133)

It will take me like 255 years,lol. They also have some other athletes on there ARod, Pedroia, Sabathia

[bogeyme]

Just got home and spotted the New England - Kansas City trade. I'm just not sure why you'd give up those two players for a 34th pick in the draft. Is there something else in the deal that we're not hearing?

I wouldn't be surprised if some kind of investigation happened on this trade. Mike & Mike were talking about it this morning. I guess there is supposed to be "equal compensation" on trades. Vrabes would have brought a decent pick and after the season Cassel had he probably would have brought a pretty good pick too. Kind of funny how Pieoli (sp) went to KC and now they got a great deal on two players.

I believe Tampa Bay was interested in Cassel so don't be surprised if a couple teams don't start asking questions on this trade.

[JB]

Bogey,
Tampa kind of backed off that trade talk when they heard they wanted a 2nd year player. They were willing to part with a 4th and a 5th for him. I think it was a good move by both teams. KC gets a QB they need but they give up a high 2nd round pick for it. Cassel is still an unproven commodity. This one could have Scott Mitchell written all over it. As far as the other player goes, he is a little past his prime, but is a good leader that can help.

[bogeyme]

Cassel is still an unproven commodity. This one could have Scott Mitchell written all over it. As far as the other player goes, he is a little past his prime, but is a good leader that can help.

If KC is smart they will do what Cleveland did with Anderson. Sign him to a big 3 year deal so he can flop this season. :roll: :angry: Still gets me why Cleveland did that.

[Smallville]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9280632/NFL-player's-boat-found;-1-survivor,-3-still-missing?MSNHPHCP&GT1=39002 (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9280632/NFL-player's-boat-found;-1-survivor,-3-still-missing?MSNHPHCP&GT1=39002)

[JB]

You beat me to it Smalls. It is all over the news down here.

[Harry Longshanks]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3947108

[JB]

It is still the best ESPN Fantasy commercial ever...(whos your momma = championship)

[soxngolf]

Bogey,
Tampa kind of backed off that trade talk when they heard they wanted a 2nd year player. They were willing to part with a 4th and a 5th for him. I think it was a good move by both teams. KC gets a QB they need but they give up a high 2nd round pick for it. Cassel is still an unproven commodity. This one could have Scott Mitchell written all over it. As far as the other player goes, he is a little past his prime, but is a good leader that can help.

Vrabel is a great leader on and off the field, but he is on the tail end of his career and making about 2.2 million, so adding him to the trade freed up some cap money. Plus, the Pats need to get younger at linebacker! The big offer that people are wondering why they didn't go with was the Denver offer. Maybe they didn't want it because it was a first round pick instead of a second, more money of the first rounder, in football not much difference is skill, or maybe because the Pats could be seeing Denver in the playoffs? I do think the Pats got less than they could have, not sure what the thinking was here. However, who knows what Cassel can do outside the system he has been working with for 3 years and a pretty good offense around him. Quarterbacks are everything to a team, which is why even with his one year of starting experience teams were looking to get him, not too much else out there.

[JB]

The bucs signed Derrick Ward to a four year deal today for 17 million. Not sure I like this signing but it is a start.

I also heard that the Giants GM was quoted as saying that he would "welcome Burress back to the team". He has clearly gone mad.

[bogeyme]

Coast Guard called off the search for the other 3 boaters.

Thoughts and prayers are with the families. :sad:

[JB]

Agreed Bogey. Sad Sad Story.

[bogeyme]

Agreed Bogey. Sad Sad Story.

If there can be a bright spot, a story I read said one of the guys that was not recovered actually saved the life of the guy that was recovered.

Search for missing boaters ends (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9287920/Coast-Guard-ends-search-for-two-NFL-players?MSNHPHMA)

I don't quite understand this part though:


As the four fishing buddies huddled together in the dark, clinging to their capsized boat miles off the Florida coast, a helicopter's light shone down upon them.


Why wasn't the coast guard dispatched right away to get them?

[JB]

It is all over the news down here. We live very close to Clearwater Beach (about 15 minutes) and every station has been doing updates.

[bogeyme]

It is all over the news down here. We live very close to Clearwater Beach (about 15 minutes) and every station has been doing updates.

I can imagine. Very sad story.

[Smallville]

It's being reported that T.O. is gone from the Cowboys: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9292958/Sources:-T.O.'s-turbulent-time-with-'Boys-over?GT1=39002 (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9292958/Sources:-T.O.'s-turbulent-time-with-'Boys-over?GT1=39002). If it's true, even though the Chiefs need a wide receiver, I hope they don't consider him. Larry Johnson is enough of a team cancer.

[MO_Hacker]

I'm pretty disappointed that the Cowboys let him go, I don't see Roy Williams picking up the yards that TO did. Terrell had nearly twice as many yards as Crayton, and 100 yds. more than Witten with 12 fewer catches. That's a lot of production to make up.

[JB]

And a lot of headaches.

[MO_Hacker]

And a lot of headaches.

Agreed, I think that having Wade Phillips as a head coach adds to that problem though. He isn't exactly a strong leader, in fact they don't have a true leader on the team.

[Harry Longshanks]

Terrell Owens signs one year deal with Buffalo for $6.5M.

[Floppy]

Terrell Owens signs one year deal with Buffalo for $6.5M.

Like TO is going to like it there...

Teams need to learn to just let TO rot in free agency, maybe he will realize he needs to stop being such a pain in the azz.

[JB]

T.O. will ruin that young team.

[Smallville]

Good for Buffalo. I'm glad ANYONE other than K.C. got him! Although I do agree with Floppy. (I am so surprised the Raiders didn't take him).

[Smallville]

LT restructured his contract with the Chargers. I guess he's good with not shouldering the load anymore since they put the Franchise tag on Sproles.

[Harry Longshanks]

More good news for the NFL.

Saturday morning, Donte Stallworth (WR Cleveland Browns) hit and killed a pedestrian with his Bentley.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3980182



Stallworth involved in fatal accident

MIAMI -- Cleveland Browns wide receiver Donte Stallworth hit and killed a pedestrian with his Bentley on Saturday morning on a busy causeway linking Miami and Miami Beach, police said.

Stallworth was headed toward the beach when he hit Mario Reyes, 59, around 7 a.m., said Miami Beach police spokesman Juan Sanchez. The unidentified pedestrian was taken to a nearby trauma center, where he was pronounced dead about an hour later. Reyes was near a crosswalk but it's not clear if he was crossing legally.

Stallworth, 28, was cooperating and no charges have been filed, Sanchez said. Officers drew blood to test for drugs or alcohol, which is routine. Sanchez said results from the blood test could take anywhere from three days to three weeks.

Police would not say where Stallworth was coming from or where he was headed, and Sanchez didn't have anymore information about Reyes.

Miami-Dade County property records show Stallworth owns two condos in a building on Biscayne Boulevard in Miami not far from the causeway and another condo in a different building in Miami.

A message seeking comment was left on the voicemail of his agent, Drew Rosenhaus.

The Browns said in a statement they were aware of what happened.

"We understand the seriousness of this situation, but will not have any further comment at this time as this is an ongoing investigation," the team said.

Stallworth signed a seven-year, $35 million contract with the Browns as a free agent before last season but hardly played because he was hurt. He was due a $4.75 million signing bonus Friday.

Stallworth, who previously played for New England, Philadelphia and New Orleans, finished last season with just 17 catches for 170 yards. He was slowed all season by a nagging hamstring injury and made just seven starts for the Browns.

Stallworth had his best season with the Saints in 2005, when he made a career-high 70 receptions for 945 yards and seven touchdowns. He was drafted in the first round (No. 13 overall) by the Saints in 2002. Stallworth played his college ball at Tennessee.

[JB]

As predicted Jay Cutler No Showed his first meetings. He "demands" a trade. This guy has big upside and has a huge arm. But since coming into the league he is nothing but a BABY. So what if your new coach made an attempt to get Matt Cassell? It seems as though Cutler has been running his mouth since the draft and many teams are just not interested in him at this point.

[Smallville]

The latest on the boating accident:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9326572/Details-of-missing-players-paint-horrifying-scene?MSNHPHMA (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9326572/Details-of-missing-players-paint-horrifying-scene?MSNHPHMA)

[Smallville]

Tony Gonzalez has requested a trade again. I figure we ought to give it to him. KC won't be competing for a title (most likely) before he retires in one or two years.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9376864/Report:-Chiefs-TE-Gonzalez-wants-trade?MSNHPHMA (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9376864/Report:-Chiefs-TE-Gonzalez-wants-trade?MSNHPHMA)

[JB]

They should have done that by the trading deadline last year. It was the move that should have been made for Tony.

[Smallville]

I was surprised they didn't make the trade last year. They won't get a third rounder this year, I wouldn't think. Although he caught almost 100 passes being mostly double-teamed all year. He still is the best. (Arguably).

[Smallville]

http://www.fox4kc.com/wdaf-chiefs-labor-dispute-story-032509,0,7361945.story (http://www.fox4kc.com/wdaf-chiefs-labor-dispute-story-032509,0,7361945.story)


KANSAS CITY, MO - The Chiefs home season might be in jeopardy because of a labor strike at Truman Sports Complex, according to Kevin Kietzman with 810 Sports Radio.

According to Kietzman, there are five days left in a labor contract between the builder and the Ironworkers Local Number 10 Union. When the contract expires at midnight on March 30, Kietzman said the iron workers and carpenters will go on strike. If that strike lasts 30 to 60 days long, the Chiefs will have to play their entire season on the road.


That might not be a bad thing, since it's tougher to win on the road. We need one more bad year.

[bogeyme]

http://www.fox4kc.com/wdaf-chiefs-labor-dispute-story-032509,0,7361945.story (http://www.fox4kc.com/wdaf-chiefs-labor-dispute-story-032509,0,7361945.story)



That might not be a bad thing, since it's tougher to win on the road. We need one more bad year.

They can use Cleveland Stadium. The Browns aren't using it. :angry:

[Smallville]

They can use Cleveland Stadium. The Browns aren't using it. :angry:


I would think they could use the Rams stadium if they are on the road that week, plus the Chiefs fans could drive there, it's only about 3-1/2 hours away.

[Smallville]

Owens says he was blindsided by the Cowboys.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9392614/Reports:-T.O.-believes-Cowboys-'blindsided'-him?MSNHPHMA (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9392614/Reports:-T.O.-believes-Cowboys-'blindsided'-him?MSNHPHMA)


"I know wholeheartedly he (Jerry Jones) wanted me there," Owens said on the broadcast, the Globe and Mail reported. "There were some people I know who got in his ear that pressured him to make that decision. For that, it's sad. You let two or three people conspire to get me out of the situation."

And of course they did the same thing to him in San Francisco and Philadelphia. It wasn't T.O., it was always someone else.

[ActionJackson8]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-thegameface032709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[Harry Longshanks]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4037373

[JB]

Just saw that harry. I am guessing a 1st and a 3rd. No details yet I guess.

[Smallville]

I thought they said a quarterback and this year and next years first round picks.


To acquire Cutler, the Bears had to give up quarterback Kyle Orton and first-round picks in 2009 and 2010, a source said.

To complete the trade, the Broncos had to give back a third-round pick in 2009. The Bears beat out the Redskins, Buccaneers, Lions, Titans and other teams to get land the 25-year-old Pro Bowl quarterback.

The Broncos had been asking for at least two first-round choices.



Makes what the Chiefs gave up for Cassell look even better!

[Floppy]

I thought they said a quarterback and this year and next years first round picks.

Yep. It's Kyle Orton with a 2009 1st Rounder and a 2010 1st Rounder

[MO_Hacker]

I thought they said a quarterback and this year and next years first round picks.

Which quarterback did they have that anybody would be interested in? McDaniels is going to have a real short leash with the fans now, if they don't win next year they will be calling for his head:bicker:


Edit: Smalls edited his post: Kyle Orton:beat-up:

[JB]

WOW, that is OVERPAYING big time.

[Floppy]

WOW, that is OVERPAYING big time.

I don't think so. I mean, they are giving up a lot, but I think QB is really the only position missing from that team. Same with most of the NFC North.

[Harry Longshanks]

Giants release Burris. Undoubtedly as a result of Plaxicoing himself.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4040009

[ActionJackson8]

Giants release Burris. Undoubtedly as a result of Plaxicoing himself.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4040009

I love that term Harry lol.

[dynarider]

I don't think Cutler's going to make any difference for Chicago, what did he do for Denver?????? Who is he going to throw the ball to? Did Chicago somehow piece together an offensive line to protect him?

[ActionJackson8]

Who is he going to throw the ball to?

Plaxico maybe?

[Harry Longshanks]

Plaxico maybe?

So, they will going with the shotgun formation?

[ActionJackson8]

So, they will going with the shotgun formation?

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[bogeyme]

Stallworth reaches settlement with family (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9688404/Report:-Stallworth,-victim's-family-reach-settlement)

Doesn't look like Donte will be suiting up in the Orange and Brown this season.

[Harry Longshanks]

30 days for killing someone is ridiculous.

[JB]

Agreed, however we have seen worse. I am glad to hear that throughout the entire process he has done the right thing atleast.