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A female member for Augusta?

I think there is more money tied up in Augusta National and the Masters than people realize. Whether they lose a sponsor I don't think is a huge deal for them. I will say that IBM helped them redo their website which has become top notch so the relationship there is pretty strong.
 
Hawk said:
IBM is not just giving them money. They offer one of the biggest golf tournments in the world as a means for sponsors to market their name and product. It's not like they are just getting a handout.
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I know, but that's why I said they would be showing a lack of integrity if they didn't offer it. The CEO of every other major sponsor is offered a membership, her predecessor is offered a membership. If they don't offer her one because of her gender they should have the balls to end the arrangement.
 
Hawk said:
IBM is not just giving them money. They offer one of the biggest golf tournments in the world as a means for sponsors to market their name and product. It's not like they are just getting a handout.
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Do you think people will forget what IBM is if they don't sponsor the Masters?
 
I also don't think comparing a men's/women's club to racial discrimination is really relevant. There are numerous men's and women's organizations out there.
 
I don't think it NEEDS to be done, but I think it will. Billy Paine has seemingly been more open to ideas about Augusta than Hootie Johnson was.
 
ddec said:
I don't think it NEEDS to be done, but I think it will. Billy Paine has seemingly been more open to ideas about Augusta than Hootie Johnson was.
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If you look up Good Ol' Boy in the dictionary, there is Hootie Johnson. Wow was he ever..haha.
 
mhachtx said:
I know, but that's why I said they would be showing a lack of integrity if they didn't offer it. The CEO of every other major sponsor is offered a membership, her predecessor is offered a membership. If they don't offer her one because of her gender they should have the balls to end the arrangement.
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I don't see intregity being part of it at all. They take money from IBM and give them a chance to market their name and product during their tournament. Offering a female employee membership to their club isn't really related to that imo.

huhhh said:
Do you think people will forget what IBM is if they don't sponsor the Masters?
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Of course not.
 
Hawk said:
I don't see intregity being part of it at all. They take money from IBM and give them a chance to market their name and product during their tournament. Offering a female employee membership to their club isn't really related to that imo.
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I guess thats where we differ on this. I would feel differently but I just can't get past the fact her predecessor and people in equivalent positions with other sponsors have been offered membership based on their position.

DevRickus said:
If you look up Good Ol' Boy in the dictionary, there is Hootie Johnson. Wow was he ever..haha.
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Its a shame he has this reputation after the Burk incident, he did a lot for desegregation and other civil rights issues.
 
mhachtx said:
I guess thats where we differ on this. I would feel differently but I just can't get past the fact her predecessor and people in equivalent positions with other sponsors have been offered membership based on their position.



Its a shame he has this reputation after the Burk incident, he did a lot for desegregation and other civil rights issues.
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I wasnt referring to his actions, more of the way he looks and talks.
 
mhachtx said:
Gotcha, my bad.
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No worries. I should have been more specific. I dont cast judgments on people based on the way they are perceived by the media. Hootie looks and sounds like a good ol' country boy though.
 
There are tons of organizations out there that are for specific groups. The real issue is who is included in this club. That is what causes the problems. I will give you a perfect example of what I mean. When I was in college, there was a Black Student Union. They helped each other with academics, getting internships, etc. I went to the administration and asked for the paperwork to start a White Student Union, and you would have thought I asked them to reinstate slavery. In other words, if this was a womens only club, and the LPGA played a major there, this would not be an issue IMO.
 
their club their rules. I think its good to have Male only clubs and Females should also do the same. Its not that females aren't allowed on the property or at the events, its just a male only membership.

It would be real cool to see a female only golf club in my opinion, there are alot of powerful and rich females out there. They might as well start a club and flaunt it!
 
I love women as much as the next guy, but if I could fix it so that my country club was men only, I'd be a happy man. They are SOOOO slow on the course, and I think they have a tea party around each hole as they're putting in.
 
JTGreen said:
I love women as much as the next guy, but if I could fix it so that my country club was men only, I'd be a happy man. They are SOOOO slow on the course, and I think they have a tea party around each hole as they're putting in.
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I have been stuck playing behind many men that were the same way.
 
yorkem said:
There are tons of organizations out there that are for specific groups. The real issue is who is included in this club. That is what causes the problems. I will give you a perfect example of what I mean. When I was in college, there was a Black Student Union. They helped each other with academics, getting internships, etc. I went to the administration and asked for the paperwork to start a White Student Union, and you would have thought I asked them to reinstate slavery. In other words, if this was a womens only club, and the LPGA played a major there, this would not be an issue IMO.
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I'm not sure anyone here keeps up with poker but you should hear the uproar from the ladies when a man enters a "ladies" event (legally the casinos can't have such events).

I say let them do whatever they want.
 
There's lots of compelling arguments for both sides in here which is making it hard for me to make a decision on my own. On one hand, I think Augusta is very much behind the times not allowing female members. We've moved past "the good ol' boys" days in our society. Women can lead countries and major corporations, but can't get a membership at a golf club? To me that just reeks of old fashioned thinking which today causes far more problems than it solves.

On the other hand, I do see the appeal of a men only club. I enjoy a night out with the guys and I encourage the wife to do the same. I realize that Augusta has always been that way and tradition is what the Masters is all about. Tradition is important.

But moving forward is aswell. Seeing as a membership has been offered to the previous CEO's of IBM, I think Augusta should extent an invitation to Rometty. She can then accept or decline. To not extent the invition will make Augusta look dated in this modern world and it would be sexist based on their history with IBM. Extend an invite, and let her make the decision. It would be better for everyone involved. But that's just my opinion.
 
If it was a women only club, this wouldn't make the news. We as men don't care if we aren't allowed to join. Let them be private.
 
mcook77 said:
So, would it be ok if they still did not want to allow African Americans to join?
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Not the issue here. Are you a fan of say 'boys" joining the Girl Scouts? Girls joining the Boy Scouts? I'm not. There is nothing at all wrong with clubs or groups for both genders. There is also nothing at all wrong with a group of men creating a men's only club. Lots of bigger issues in life than this topic. Everything in life is subjective. It is ok that we don't all agree. At the end of the day, I could really care less about what Augusta National does or does not do when it comes to membership. It is a private club. They have the right to do or allow who or what they want.
 
HoosierGolfer said:
Not the issue here. Are you a fan of say 'boys" joining the Girl Scouts? Girls joining the Boy Scouts? I'm not. There is nothing at all wrong with clubs or groups for both genders. There is also nothing at all wrong with a group of men creating a men's only club. Lots of bigger issues in life than this topic. Everything in life is subjective. It is ok that we don't all agree. At the end of the day, I could really care less about what Augusta National does or does not do when it comes to membership. It is a private club. They have the right to do or allow who or what they want.
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You say it's not the issue but it could just as easily be the issue. You said let the private clubs make whatever rules they want so I was genuinely interested if your position was the same if it was a race issue.

This is typically not a hot topic because most have accepted it for what it is but NOW there is a reason to discuss as they are in a position to basically state that they welcome the IBM CEO as long as they are a male. As I said earlier, interesting to see what happens. At the end of the day, I could personally care less as I will never be in that clubhouse or play on that course.

Perhaps I just don't understand the point of "male only" membership. What affect would it have to accept a female member? What will really change there for the members?
 
Well, it is a deep south club, and I know that, for the most part, in the deep south most men act different around women.
mcook77 said:
You say it's not the issue but it could just as easily be the issue. You said let the private clubs make whatever rules they want so I was genuinely interested if your position was the same if it was a race issue.

This is typically not a hot topic because most have accepted it for what it is but NOW there is a reason to discuss as they are in a position to basically state that they welcome the IBM CEO as long as they are a male. As I said earlier, interesting to see what happens. At the end of the day, I could personally care less as I will never be in that clubhouse or play on that course.

Perhaps I just don't understand the point of "male only" membership. What affect would it have to accept a female member? What will really change there for the members?
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There are male only golf clubs all over the US. Just most of them don't host a major golf tournament.
 
JR said:
Well, it is a deep south club, and I know that, for the most part, in the deep south most men act different around women.
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But it's already been said that women play there, just not members. The men would still have their private locker room so that they don't have to act differently if that is the case.
 
Hawk said:
Sort of, but being a private club entitles you to discriminate.
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and that entitles golf fans to boycott The Masters, which I know is never going to happen but I wish it would. If this story is legit, I think thats great. Its about time.
 
mcook77 said:
You say it's not the issue but it could just as easily be the issue. You said let the private clubs make whatever rules they want so I was genuinely interested if your position was the same if it was a race issue.

This is typically not a hot topic because most have accepted it for what it is but NOW there is a reason to discuss as they are in a position to basically state that they welcome the IBM CEO as long as they are a male. As I said earlier, interesting to see what happens. At the end of the day, I could personally care less as I will never be in that clubhouse or play on that course.

Perhaps I just don't understand the point of "male only" membership. What affect would it have to accept a female member? What will really change there for the members?
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It could, but it's not. It's possible to have an ethical problem with one vs the other since male/female clubs are an accepted thing in society.

The thing that would change is that they had to alter the way they run their club, which is private, by a standard that they choose not to.
 
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