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So if LeBron would have not had the "decision show" and just contacted the owner to tell him he was leaving, you would have been ok with that? I mean you talk about what he did to your city and how it cost a lot of people money but you act like if you would have found out by a breaking news update on espn during the day and the owner saying James has left the cavs for the Heat you would have been ok with it?

My honest opinion, I dont think it would have mattered how he left, all the City would blame him for Job losses and city taken a harder hit no matter what, when in fact who was the cause of bringing life to that city? James was, I think everyone there is just pissed there superstar left for another team. Sure I can understand booing the hell out of him, but burning Jerseys, people crying, saying he is trash, a queen, princess, etc is just being to dramatic. Of course I dont live there so I dont know what goes on, but many people have said he was the cause of helping out that city and "giving people jobs" for 7 years and now everyone is pissed because he left, when he actually helped out a ton of people there over those 7 years. Sure he was treated great by the city, but what superstar isnt treated great by there city?
 
But he trashed the city on his way out. He made promises to the city to bring them a title. He quit on the team.

As I said... many people leave Cleveland for economic reasons. We understand that. It happens. At least have the common decency to say "I am sorry, thank you for supporting me and the cavs the past 7 years. I have loved my time here and the fans are wonderful". I don't think it would have prevented people from being upset or mad that he left (for many of the reasons that you mentioned) but it does prevent the tears, the burning jerseys, the unabashed hatred that happened on the decisions.

I agree that he helped the city while he was here. I just struggle with the way he "did" the city when he left. He was a wonderful thing for a struggling city and him leaving was always going to hurt no matter how you cut it. There is no way of getting around some anger and frustration. It is the other stuff that turns hate and disappointment into pure anger and resentment. Does that make sense?
 
RxGus said:
But he trashed the city on his way out. He made promises to the city to bring them a title. He quit on the team.

As I said... many people leave Cleveland for economic reasons. We understand that. It happens. At least have the common decency to say "I am sorry, thank you for supporting me and the cavs the past 7 years. I have loved my time here and the fans are wonderful". I don't think it would have prevented people from being upset or mad that he left (for many of the reasons that you mentioned) but it does prevent the tears, the burning jerseys, the unabashed hatred that happened on the decisions.

I agree that he helped the city while he was here. I just struggle with the way he "did" the city when he left. He was a wonderful thing for a struggling city and him leaving was always going to hurt no matter how you cut it. There is no way of getting around some anger and frustration. It is the other stuff that turns hate and disappointment into pure anger and resentment. Does that make sense?
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Ya I got you. But how did people want him to say he was leaving? If he would have said a long apology to the City of Cleveland on the decision, would that have been good enough? Him leaving was going to make people mad no matter what, I understand that, I would be pissed that he is leaving "my" team to. But I just dont understand what all the fans want? They say they dont agree with the way he did it, so what would have made it ok for the Cavs fans? The long apology on the show, not having the show and listening to some espn person read what he says on espn, him calling in on espn news and saying sorry, or what? I honestly think it would have not mattered whatever way he did it, but also I dont live there so I dont know. I like talking sports so just wanted to see what the actual city was wanting from him.
 
As a fan I want 3 things:

1. I want him to make the decision quietly, with a normal press conference and not on a nationally televised "LBJ Lovefest"
2. I want him to show respect to the city that he is leaving and the fans who supported him both emotionally and financially
3. I want him to show some humility in recognizing that his decision effects more than just him, but thousands of fans and businesses.
 
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Fair enough. If he was to say sorry, and give a long apology to the city of Cleveland, do you honestly think it would change anything?


They just showed an interview of a guy on espn (mid 20s) and he said they were playing some basketball on a street court and some guy came up wearing a LeBron jersey and would not take it off when they asked, so they beat him up. Showed all of the people throwing away there jerseys, I kind of wish I was a garbage man up there, sell all those jerseys on ebay lol
 
I don't think it would make a difference now- because he has shown his true colors
I think it would have made a difference at the time he made the announcement, assuming it came off as sincere and not scripted/PR.

I believe your story though- a fan wore an LBJ Heat Jersey to an Indians game and had to be escorted out for his own safety... I am not saying there are not crazy people up here (there are everywhere).
 
RxGus said:
I don't think it would make a difference now- because he has shown his true colors
I think it would have made a difference at the time he made the announcement, assuming it came off as sincere and not scripted/PR.

I believe your story though- a fan wore an LBJ Heat Jersey to an Indians game and had to be escorted out for his own safety... I am not saying there are not crazy people up here (there are everywhere).
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For sure. I think it might get bad tonight if someone wears a heat James jersey or even old James cavs jersey. They might get beer/food thrown at them. It honestly would not surprise me if there was a fight tonight or some drunk fan tried to throw a bottle at James going in/out of the tunnel. Should be very interesting. How mad would yall be if he scored 40+ tonight? lol
 
I really don't care. Beating Miami doesn't solve the problems on the team and loosing to a team you should loose to is really no insult.

What I do expect are "playoff" fouls. Not dirty, just clean hard fouls. By all accounts the energy in the Q will be playoff level and the team seems to be bunkering down for playoff style ball. Could be some rough moments. I am particularly worried about what will happen if LBJ does his talc routine. If he does it I am unsure what will happen. That will be when a drunk fan does something dumb.

The other nightmare situation would be if LBJ really fouls one of the cavs hard. That could ingnite enough passion for it to spill over too.

I have said all along that I thought tonight needed to be "Welcome back Z" night and honor him at halftime. Don't say anything about LBJ but show respect and kindness to Z on his home coming. I am already sure he will get a standing O when he is intorduced, and they will likely to pay homage to the fact that he is the franchise leader in games played as a Cav.
 
Should be crazy, thats for sure.

They just said Mo wore a red sox jacket to his press conference (he is a braves fan) the reason he did it? Bron is a Yankees fan hahaha. Guess the players are not to found of him either. I think its funny that Mo did that though, good stuff. James is probably really nervous about this one, wouldnt be surprised if didnt even play the whole game.

Wonder what would happen if he fell into the stands going after a loose ball, now that might get real crazy.
 
Gus,

I really appreciate your comments about the LBJ situation. As someone who grew up in Ohio, I think you sum up the city and state for that matter very well.

I am curious to see what the response will be this evening as well.

One-T,

I agree the circus is ridiculous. ESPN talks about Miami every chance they get. There are other teams in the league playing well right now but it is what moves the needle that is talked about more.
 
Since this is a golf forum, I will relate this back to golf. Does the Golf Channel talk more about Tiger Woods or the guys that are playing better than him right now? And should they talk more about others than him?

Media TV will ALWAYS talk about what moves the needle. The only way to change that is to change the channel.
 
JB said:
Since this is a golf forum, I will relate this back to golf. Does the Golf Channel talk more about Tiger Woods or the guys that are playing better than him right now? And should they talk more about others than him?

Media TV will ALWAYS talk about what moves the needle. The only way to change that is to change the channel.
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I think at times it can be over the top with Tiger or Miami but I understand why they talk about it. It doesn't keep me from turning the channel. I watch because I love sports.
 
Well LeBron took A LOT of booing from the crowd and the chant of @sshole about 20 times throughout the game, but put up 38 points and the Heat won by 28.
 
So Miami motivated is apparently a lot better than some people are giving them credit for. Rather ironic if it turns out that Cleveland just gave LBJ and crew the kick in the pants they needed to get things together this season...
 
Mavs are tearing it up!! 23-5 now. Beat the heat last night and beat Magic tonight, both on the road.
 
mavs are hot but Boston is on a 14 game winning Streak
 
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
 
Lots of good games on national TV for Xmas day.
 
There was great basketball on Xmas day... Heat to advantage of the spotlight against the Lakers and put the league on notice that they are the real deal
 
Just checked the box score...

Heat scored 110 points

Wade- 41
James- 27
Bosh- 22

90 of the 110 points by those 3. Ridiculous!
 
Wow! And now the Lakers lose to the Cavs!! Really think letting Farmar get away has really hurt them.
 
that and the fact ron ron is insane
 
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