The New Testament of Golf - "Flogton"

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What you you make of this from today's Wall Street Journal?

It's no secret that golf, as an industry, is lagging. Rounds played in the U.S. have been declining slowly for nearly a decade. More courses are closing than opening. More players have flowed out of the game than flowed in, says the National Golf Foundation. There may be many reasons for this, including the down economy and sociological changes, but some in the golf industry have begun to wonder aloud whether the rules of the game are really the problem.



Their aim is not to replace USGA golf, but to provide an alternative, with the expectation that many Flogton players would eventually migrate to the regular game, the way tee-ballers grow into baseball.

The most radical vision for a New World Order in golf is the Flogton project being pushed by a group of Silicon Valley executives whose front man is Scott McNealy, the co-founder and former chief executive of Sun Microsystems. In their view, the U.S. Golf Association's sanctioned game is simply too difficult to attract and retain enough to keep the game growing.

In particular, the Flogtonites argue, golf needs better ways to appeal to videogame-enamored kids and to casual adult golfers who lack the time, inclination or athletic talent to master the game. "We've got the courses. The courses are beautiful and under-utilized. There need to be alternative golf formats that will bring more people out to play these courses," Mr. McNealy said last month when he unveiled the proposal.

In Flogton (that's "not golf" spelled backward), players could take their pick from several sets of rules to match their skill levels. The most restrictive format might follow strict USGA rules of play but allow souped-up balls and clubs. Mr. McNealy said this format would be popular with seniors or others who are happy with USGA golf but can't hit the ball as far as they used to, or would like to.

The least restrictive forms of play would set purists' teeth on edge: teeing up shots in the fairway, legalizing one mulligan per hole, allowing 6-foot "bumps" (no nearer the hole) to get relief from trees and other obstacles, and requiring the second shot from a bunker to be thrown. These games would be geared primarily toward kids or rank beginners. For each format, Flogton handicaps could be established. Different social mores would also be encouraged, from trash-talking during backswings to wearing cargo shorts.

But it wouldn't be "goofy golf," Mr. McNealy insisted. The rules for each format would be clearly established and enforced. "If you hit a bad shot, it will still be a bad shot that you have to take personal responsibility for. That's the core value of golf. No excuses allowed," he said.

Mr. McNealy is himself a three-handicapper. Some of Flogton's other backers are also low-handicappers, including John Donahoe, CEO of eBay Inc., and Bill Campbell, chairman and former CEO of Intuit.

Their aim is not to replace USGA golf, but to provide an alternative, with the expectation that many Flogton players would eventually migrate to the regular game, the way tee-ballers grow into baseball. For others, however, Flogton might be the only style of golf needed or desired. Courses could easily accommodate both styles of play, Mr. McNealy argued. Flogton play would be faster, which courses could cope with by designating certain times or nines for Flogton play. Flogton golfers could also play with USGA players, competing with them by cross-indexing handicaps.

"We know there will be resistance. A lot of old-line clubs will never allow Flogton play, and that's fine," Mr. McNealy said. But skiing traditionalists at first resisted snowboarding, he pointed out, "even though by now almost everybody acknowledges that snowboarding saved the industry."

How likely is Flogton to catch on? Not very, at least in its current out-of-the-box form. "If it were to work, it would be a conglomeration of a lot of ideas. It's not going to end up being exactly what Scott McNealy or anyone else thinks it's going to be right now," said Casey Alexander, a golf industry analyst for Gilford Securities who nevertheless supports the initiative, as a way to get people talking. Mr. McNealy characterizes Flogton as an "open source" enterprise and is counting on Web feedback, to help the game evolve.

One obvious response to the Flogton initiative is that most golfers already play non-USGA golf, some if not most of the time. What regular foursome doesn't invent a few of its own quirky rules to make things more interesting? All those scramble and Stableford formats used at outings and club tournaments are nonkosher. Who needs a new sanctioning organization to tell golfers how to have fun?

Another question is whether taking the technological limits off clubs and balls—a major part of the Flogton vision and a subject of keen interest to manufacturers—would actually help make golf more fun to play. The easiest, quickest improvement would be to the ball. Polara Golf will introduce an improved version of its nonconforming ball this spring that the company says will self-correct up to 90% of a slice or hook. That would seem to be every slicer's dream. But would it also deprive him of the deeper satisfaction, that comes from hitting the occasional perfect shot?

The AGA believes that technology could add 25% to the distance of an average golfer's drive and double the amount of backspin on wedge shots hit into greens. But if everybody has access to the same equipment, is the essential challenge of golf really any different than it was before, or the frustration of relative poor play any easier to abide? If alternative golf takes off, I guess we'll find out.

—Email John Paul at golfjournal@wsj.com
 
I rarely play strict rules golf. Anything to get more folks to play would be good. As for the Polara golf balls, they dont work, and this is coming from a guy who sells them.
 
Golf has gotten expensive for one , say you have 2-3 in your family that likes to play , ( and with our $30 rounds here which is cheap by most standards ) thats $90 bucks , figure another $60 for a cart if they dont want to walk , then figure clubs , bags , ect for the first initial cost ... thats basically 400 bucks for just 4 rounds a month . Most families dont have that extra money for golf .
I dont think changing rules will help matters .
The economy is in the dumps , and it will take several years till golf is popular again IMO .
 
I think this is a good idea in general to get the average person out to the golf course. Personally I love golf because it is so hard, I have been an athlete all my life and can pick up most sports fairly quickly, NOT GOLF! The challenge of trying to shoot my best score or improve my game keeps bringing me back, if it was easy I might have already moved on to something else.
 
I dont like it. The only thing I see rescuing and introducing the game is 6 hole loops on courses(which include shorter holes), cheaper green fees, and the acceptance of sustainable golf course practices. NOT EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE EMERALD GREEN. A little yellow here and there is a good thing(providing the plant is still active and alive).

Cut budgets, cut costs, cut prices.
 
I'm also going to say this that starting these rules would do nothing.. Most people already do this kind of stuff. Like Thainer said, it's got to come with prices and nothing else. Kids don't want to spend 30 dollars they got for working or allowance on something they might not be that good at. Lower the cost, you see more young golfers or beginners coming in, and you get better golfers.
 
very interesting read. Im not sure what i think - i havent ate since 9:30 am - i need to get some food in me to get my brain thinking straight lol
 
What a load of crap.

"better ways to appeal to videogame-enamored kids"
They'll either get off their butts or they won't, mostly won't and aren't really worth the time of day.
"trash-talking during backswings"
Absolute garbage, should be shot for even thinking about that.

There's friendly play and just practicing so who the hell needs an organiztion for that? I think it's all about money going into pockets, and looking at the above proponents I wouldn't be surprised who's pockets these idiots are thinking about. Golf is somewhat expensive, but there are great deals out there to allow the casual golfer to have fun and equipment that allows that also. Golf ebs and flows, it isn't in great shape right now but that has more to do with the economy and that the current "chosen one" turned out to be a dirt-bag. Not everything is supposed to appeal to everyone or even the masses, sink or swim courses/companies.
 
If I ever see someone playing flogton on a golf course I will drive a golf ball up their ass. Tell them to go take up croquete.

It's the expense of the game that keeps people away.
 
Like some of the rest said in the thread.This doesn't require a new set of rules.There's many allready playing by their own set.
Sortagolf is allready out there if you want to play by someone elses own set of rules.
If you're not in a tournament who's there to enforce the rules of golf except you and your playing partners?If you wanted to you could play by any rules you all made up.
To think a rule change would translate into saving courses that are going under seems a stretch to me.
 
Have to agree with the sentiment that the economy is playing a large roll in he downturn of golf. If I hadn't won my burner 2.0's here at THP I definitely would not be playing them. The game is expensive.
 
What about a new scoring system where one could post their scores from these new games and compete with others in the same alternative game?
 
Wow 3 ceo's and this is what they came up with, huh. No thanks. But I will definitely reevaluate ebays presence in my portfolio. not golf spelled backwards what a joke.
 
How is the skiing industry doing? Skiing must easily be more expensive than golf. Skis (boards), boots, bindings, clothing, and lift tickets have to rival clubs, balls, and green fees. And you have to get to the slopes where most of us have a golf course nearby.

If boarding saved the ski industry it had nothing to do with rules; all it required was realizing that the boarders could share the hill.

Also "Flogton play would be faster, which courses could cope with by designating certain times or nines for Flogton play. Flogton golfers could also play with USGA players, competing with them by cross-indexing handicaps."

I have to disagree; it takes a long time to hit a ball 120 or more times no matter the rules.

As for handicaps, few people understand the USGA calculations or think they are particularly equitable; you think that mixing and matching handicap calculations is going to allow good competition - nah.

As others have pointed out "flogton" exists now and is played by many already on the course. Is that OK? Sure - as long as they maintain pace of play and don't get my tournament prizes.
 
People already play their own game with whatever rules makes the game easiest and most fun to them. The time and dollar cost of the game is whats killing it. Speed the game up (ie 6 hole courses), and make it cheaper, you will have a whole new demographic joining or rejoining the game. Golf is recreation when it comes to discretionary income and discretionary time. Recreation is always the first to go.

Golf doesnt have a 'fun' problem its a time and money problem.

What about a new scoring system where one could post their scores from these new games and compete with others in the same alternative game?
 
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What about a new scoring system where one could post their scores from these new games and compete with others in the same alternative game?
How are these kids going to do that ? If it doesnt come with a cheat code they dont want to play the game ........ LOL
Oh wait , 6 foot foot wedge , teeing it up in fairways , no bad shots , no penalties , mulligans . The game of golf does not come with a replay button on the controller .
Play the game it was meant to be , do what everyone else does Practice and get better , this system does nothing for the good of the game IMO .
Im all for getting more kids involved , but this is a bad direction .
 
I have played quite a few rounds of match mulligan, 1 mulligan per hole. It's fun and actually faster cause you don't have to hit your worst shot. Only played as a pair of singles, never in a foursome. Nowadays I track stats and I'm not going to entertain the idea of stat reciprocity personally.
 
I'd think playing a par 3 executive course with the neighborhood style foam balls. Once on the green mark and putt with a regular ball would be funner than letting people fudge the rules on a full length course.
 
The rules are not the problem. The game is just expensive.
 
Price is the number one killer of the game. Period.

Apparently that is obvious to everyone but CEO's! :alien:
 
$500 green fees at Pebble Beach is cheap , everyone can NOW get into this new flog game :D
 
If it gets kids and new people to enjoy the game then go for it. We all play games on the driving range, (closest to the pin, hit the cart, longest drive, mid air collisions) those games are done to keep us interested and focused on practicing. I don't see whats wrong with Kids playing by their own set of rules to keep it fun and competitive. What I think is WORSE is watching that beginner/senior in your group on his 4th try getting out of the bunker. You can tel he just wants to pick up the ball and throw it on the green but there are no rules that allow him to.
 
"Flogton:" - What a load of bollocks. I'm sure these fine gentlemen will be not be expecting trash talking chatter and other Flogton rubbish at their ultra-private clubs.

Anyway, as many have mentioned previously, the drop in golfing numbers is absolutely an economic issue. Look around and it's clear it's not just golf that's suffering.

Yes, a lot of new courses opened over the past decade or so but most were charging way too much and as a consequence many closed. Greens fees just can't keep going up the way premium drivers have.

If there is an additional contributing factor to the slowdown in new golfers, it has to be the ever increasing price of equipment.
For a while there it seemed like the top level manufacturers figured they could just keep pumping up the price and people would keep buying. It worked for a number of years but not any more.

Mind you, the golf companies shot themselves in the foot when they started bringing out "new improved" models every six months. The leftovers from the initial sales hype started appearing at huge discounts and golfers I think began to keep their wallets in their pockets until the new driver they wanted was discounted.
I'l spare y'all my rant on what the major manufacturers have done to the small/medium sized golf shop.

Finally, in response to an earlier post mentioning that Polara golf balls "don't work," I will have to disagree and point the nay-sayer to the golf lab robotic tests as shown on video on youtube. THe new version of the Polara ball will do what it promises if you remember to align the ball [marking] to the target.
 
$500 green fees at Pebble Beach is cheap , everyone can NOW get into this new flog game :D

even $500 is a little deceiving as i believe a stay at the PB resort is required in order to play and I think that is $495 a night...
 
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