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Formally HoosierGolfer
I know I will give this ball change much time before I call it one way or another. Just too bad I won't be golfing for several more weeks. Winter is far from over where I'm at.
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I'm not a big spin kinda player, in the past year I thought I needed more. I got frustrated with excessive rollout but then I read an interview with an older golfer about spinning balls back. Someone asked him how he does it, his reply was "do you typically fly the flag?" The person replied back "no I normally land it short." Golf pro's response was "then why would ever want to spin away from the hole?" I play with a friend who backs up a lot of shots and gloats about it pulling the string, of course sometimes that string yanks the ball right off the green.
I never bought many of the high end balls because honestly until recently I lost to many right to justify it. That being said I do like a softer covered ball, something along the lines of the trispeed tour, vapor speed or e5. I had a mini romance with the rxs but it spins too much off the driver so that negated the approach spin. Who cares if the 7th shot into a par 5 sticks when all your other shots went left or right since the ball wasn't right for your game.
I love my mid-priced 3 piece balls cause they are predictable and reliable, and if ever going to get my handicap in order before March 15 I need reliable. That's my "it took me a while to figure that out lesson."
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What I'm saying is that there are lots of golfers who shouldn't be playing them, but have themselves convinced that they should be.
Marketing has very little to do with what I play or what I buy. I've never been one to buy something because it works for someone else or some OEM says their product will work for me. I'm a trial and error kind of guy.
What did you do when companies changed from the Balata balls to the "new" premium balls? That spin change was more severe than going from a premium ball to a mid-level ball on todays market. I hear some old club fitters talk about a decrease in spin 1000-1500 rpms from the old balata balls.
There's an oldie! Those things were spinny too, they're not kidding. Of course, they also liked to "smile" if you took too much ball with a swing.
I mean, I guess thats my point in all of this.
Once upon a time people were thinking "How can we ever live without that much spin" and here we are doing just fine 12 years later.
I am just as guilty of playing a premium ball that may not be doing me any favors. I have always justified it by saying I am a low spin player and that I need all the help I can get. As I have worked on my swing and fixed some casting issues I am starting to see a lot more spin. I have decided to play the e6 through my swing change because I have a tendency to banana my balls, but maybe I'll switch back to the premiums I still have in my bag. I do have a rule for this year though- If I spin a ball back, I had better be past the hole. If I start spinning balls back without reaching the hole my mid-level balls are getting in the bag and staying there.
I'm going to say that a lot of golfers don't, I'm going to use the the "clip", the ball correctly to make the ball spin on greenside shots. So maybe then the type of ball doesn't matter.
Or maybe, a softer ball would help them. One thing is for sure, if you don't trust your hands to accelerate through the ball and hit it crisply on even a very short chip, it's not going to spin.
Kevin
It only spun back 6" on that par 3 and missed a hole in one from about a foot at most! It's ok if it's not past the hole RxGus! I'll never forget that beautiful shot you hit last weekend!
I'd say this is true and leads this 20hc to his question: how do you generate spin on greenside shots?
Around the greens i usually chip/pitch by playing the ball back in my stance, feet closer together, slight forward press and i accelerate through the shot, and i think i've never generated any backspin, i'm sure there's something (more likely mutliple somethings) i'm missing?
I have been watching and reading all sorts of golf tips that i've been finding this winter including a spin tip that tells me to keep the clubhead low and short on the follow through, i've been trying that on my carpet (which is very thin and hard for reference) and been noticing some success, but until the snow melts I won't know for sure.
Same thing for full shots, i have full cavity backs so I assume i won't be able to generate nearly as much backspin as I could with blades, but I don't know how to make swings on my approach that get the ball to stick. I feel as though every green I hit with every club I hit, lands to hard and runs more than it should. Is it just ball trajectory and I need to work on follow through position?
That was an E6.
If I had hit a Penta I would have been 4-5 feet away and turned a birdie into a par.
I'd say this is true and leads this 20hc to his question: how do you generate spin on greenside shots?
Around the greens i usually chip/pitch by playing the ball back in my stance, feet closer together, slight forward press and i accelerate through the shot, and i think i've never generated any backspin, i'm sure there's something (more likely mutliple somethings) i'm missing?
I have been watching and reading all sorts of golf tips that i've been finding this winter including a spin tip that tells me to keep the clubhead low and short on the follow through, i've been trying that on my carpet (which is very thin and hard for reference) and been noticing some success, but until the snow melts I won't know for sure.
Same thing for full shots, i have full cavity backs so I assume i won't be able to generate nearly as much backspin as I could with blades, but I don't know how to make swings on my approach that get the ball to stick. I feel as though every green I hit with every club I hit, lands to hard and runs more than it should. Is it just ball trajectory and I need to work on follow through position?
Spin comes from hitting the ball sharply (clubhead speed is directly related to speed) and pinching the ball between the club and the turf. That means you need to have produced sufficient lag AND hit the ball before making contact with the ground. The shorter the shot the more difficult it is to get spin because you loose clubhead speed. Full wedges can back up but a short range lob shot has little to no spin on it.
Sounds like you have the right idea. The ball doesn't stop dead. You're looking for a slight check up, that allows for a smooth controlled roll out. The ball matters for these shots in my opinion. I've played the hot bite, but not enough to comment other than a full wedge shot peels off cover.
I like the yellow Zstars and ProV1s for greenside spin.
Kevin
Gus is right about the lag and hitting down somewhat on the ball, but the "trapping" is more of misnomer. It should feel like you're trapping the ball, but the ball does not get pushed into the turf. There are videos out there that show a golf ball instantly starts to climb up the face of the club at contact due to the loft of the club and grooves in the face.
Kevin