JNRadio
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maybe move up one tee then...
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maybe move up one tee then...
But really, is it a fun hole? Kinda. It challenges you. And heck it's factored into the course/slope rating. So I don't see the big deal. I wouldn't want all par 4's to be that long and difficult I guess. I'm not a big fan of the 200+ yard par 3's either. But a few holes per course I don't mind.
I enjoy long par 4s, and 3s. You have to bear down and hit good shots in order to score. I also like the short par 4 that requires placement off the tee. Mix it up but 420 is pretty standard now days.
Thank you. That is what I have been trying to say but lacked the words to say it.
To me, the hole has to give a reasonable expectation to reach the green in regulation.
In your OP you said the guy can reach it with driver 5 iron. I would consider that a reasonable expectation of reaching the green in regualtion.
In your OP you said the guy can reach it with driver 5 iron. I would consider that a reasonable expectation of reaching the green in regualtion.
He might just be good. This sounds like why slope rating exists. Certain holes are just much harder for bogey golfers (or avg length hitters). Usually because of length of the amount of trouble on a hole.
On the hole I describe earlier if you drive 300 and hit the fairway you can plan a SW onto the green. Pretty reasonable? But if you drive 215 which is probably a pretty avg drive for a LOT of people, you're need to hit another 200, which is probably the max range of your 3 wood if you drive 215.
That hole could really be fixed IMO by my course moving the mens tees up about 30 yards. People playing from the tips (the ones that should play from the tips, not the 20 year old flubber that thinks he should because he's a man now) usually can deal with that type of hole. But in my case, moving up another tee for regular play would trivialize the distance on every other hole by one. So I'm on the right tee, I just don't have a reasonable chance for a GIR on that hole.
That same kid is on his highschool varsity team, so now he needs to play blades. Regardless of skill.
The thing I love about my course is the variety in the par 4's. We have 3 really long par 4's (450yds-485yds), 4 that play less than 400 yards, and 3 that play 400-420 yards. I feel like I use every club in my bag during a round, as opposed to just driver then wedge in. Of course, my issue with the longer par 4s is the greens are way too severe but that falls into the discussion around design. The front of the greens are open, and only one of the long par 4s has bunkers around the green.
Personally, I think it is a nice change of pace to have some longer par 4's in there. I was playing the back tees last night just to get a different perspective and hit some shots I normally would not be able to and had a 418 par 4. Into the wind but still crushed a 3w 220 into it leaving me 200 to the green. Hit a solid 3 iron that left me short left and I chipped on and 2 putted for par.
I did not think it was overly difficult but rather a nice change of pace instead of tee shot - 8/9/PW every par 4.
If I did find a course overly difficult I would not play it often but would definitely keep it in the mix to really challenge myself.
memo to self
never play with mcook for money
Because he cheats?
mcook which one of your 5 strokes did you not count for your par on the par 4?
memo to self
never play with mcook for money
Doh - that was a mistype! My bad...meant bogey but it was a challenge and something different. Hopefully you understood the context of my post and the thought behind it and not just the scoring error. :act-up: