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    Iron shaft question

    Ok I'm no way a guy who hits the ball a million miles ,I hit my 7 iron to 150-60 and a swing speed of 90-100 on a good day

    But lately I've been gaming my brothers forgotten clubs which are :-
    Callaway x forged (cavity back type)
    Which had project x, 6.5 shafts

    Now at first I thought it'll never work but surprise surprise they fly like a dream, but most of all I can work a draw and a baby fade (struggling to get a nice fade but I'm a drawing man :) )

    Now the club pro came up to me when I was playing with him and told me, no way should I be able to play these clubs.

    Now what I'm getting to is why am I able to play these so well ?

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    Some of it may be mental but, i dont think you can neccessarily say that just because you swing a certain speed that you should have a certain shaft stiffness. It has a lot to do with how you swing the club and how you load the shaft. I may be wrong but if you have a extremely smooth swing but fast swing speed you can still be fitted to a regular shaft. And likewise if you have a slow swing speed and have a fast transition at the top you may be loading the shaft just right to need the stiffer shaft.
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    When I do shaft fitting, I look at several variables beyond clubhead speed. A big one is tempo. Let's assume for a second that Ernie Els and Rickie Fowler have the same exact swing speed. The load difference on their shafts at the top are quite different (due to their transition tempo) and would thus require totally different shafts.

    Typically (though there are myriad additional variables), the quicker your transition tempo, the heavier and stiffer the shaft needs to be. So it's likely you have found a shaft that's closer to matching your bend profile, despite it being "not right" for you on paper.

    My recommendation would be to get an official fitting with your local PGA professional. Just make sure they have all the tools to properly assess your shaft needs (launch monitor, shaft analyzer, frequency tester, loft/lie machine).

    Hope that helps,

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    Yeah I have a quick tempo (something my brother always tells me is to slow down :) )
    I dont think I can get fitted because my dad just won't let me get new clubs :(

    The reason I asked is that I was a little confused on how I can play these so well despite being on paper "not right"

    Also the funny thing is, our course pro has weaker shafts than me.
    That really tickles me, especially when I was getting the ball closer than him :)
    (driving wise he was miles better)

    Thanks it helped :)
    Also I'm curious to why my wedges arnt good
    They're regular shafted ping tour w wedges (love em)

    Now the weird thing is I hit my 52* great but my 58* goes really short and I struggle not to thin it as I overswing to get the distance that I can achieve

    I get to 90 yards with the 52 but I struggle to reach 60 with the 58
    I'd like to get 70 yards with no overswing

    What am I doing wrong ?
    Am I too fast ?
    Shaft isn't optimum ?
    My wedge shot is very different .
    My backswing is slower, my head bearely moves and my hips move a lot less
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    I struggle to reach 60 with the 58
    I'd like to get 70 yards with no overswing

    What am I doing wrong ?
    Am I too fast ?
    Shaft isn't optimum ?
    My wedge shot is very different .
    My backswing is slower, my head bearely moves and my hips move a lot less

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    Bump I'm still struggling and I'm desperate to sort this strange problem out
    Thanks :)

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    It's pretty rare that a shaft in the wedge is so different from the rest of the set (unless it's a ladies graphite or something) that it would explain your distance discrepancy.

    More likely it's a ball position issue or (I'd lean towards this) you have a tendency to flip a little and the higher loft accentuates the launch, making for a significant loss of distance (relative to the other wedge).

    Ball position shouldn't sneak too much forward of center with the higher lofted wedges and you should still be hitting down on these to the point that a decent sized divot should be displaced on the target side of the ball. Otherwise you're asking for the ball to go higher and conversely shorter. Fun fact- the launch angle on a 52 vs. a 60 degree wedge (when struck full) is only about 1 degree different. The speed is a tad slower and the spin is higher with the lob, so you get a shorter shot. It's just science.

    Hope that helps,

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    Ah makes sense
    Is flipping when I rubb my wrists together after impact (think thumb side of right wrist touching thumb side left wrist)
    The club doesn't rotate much after impact just, face faces towards me a lot , should I be turning my wrists and letting the club face towards the ground ?

    When wearing a glove my right wrist gets a little sore because of this
    I'll practise turning the club after impact instead of flipping
    It might help in other areas like driving

    Thanks again :)

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    Waaaay back in the good ol days when I was a young whipper-snapper, I had to stop wearing a watch when I played because of the exact thing you're describing. It's technically the way we should release the club, but if it's so aggressive through impact that it's rubbing, that indicates what I call the narrow arc vs. the wide arc.

    Without seeing video and only based on what you're describing, I'd guess you need to feel like the face stays square to the target for longer through the hitting area and beyond. It will feel like you're holding off the release, but will likely just eliminate the narrow, flippy release (alleviating any snap hooks that may sneak in) and force more of a sound body rotation through instead of quick hands through.

    Hope that helps,

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    I'm very handsy and a very quick swing
    I have been trying to improve my swing
    Any drills to help me keep the club square after impact
    I'll update this thread with a video of my swing
    But it might take a while rain 24/7
    And no room to swing without getting wet :)

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