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Are there any craps players out there? Do you play Pass line or Don't Pass, and why? Recommended Vegas casinos you prefer?
 
I dont gamble anymore, but I played a lot of Craps. Played the Pass Line always with max odds and then two Come bets also with max odds.
Vegas Casinos? The RIO of course, because we will be there with 40 THPers next month.
 
JB said:
I dont gamble anymore, but I played a lot of Craps. Played the Pass Line always with max odds and then two Come bets also with max odds.
Vegas Casinos? The RIO of course, because we will be there with 40 THPers next month.
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This is just the 1 game I havent learned how to play...yet

I'll sit at a blackjack table all night long though
 
I always play pass line as well. Odds are the best bet in the casino because there is no house advantage. Bet max odds possible. You could just start there and have a great time playing. Come bets are popular as well as bets on the individual numbers (4,5,6,8,9,10). I would stay away from the prop bets and others (CE, Horn, World) until you become more familiar with what you are doing.
 
mikedean441 said:
This is just the 1 game I havent learned how to play...yet

I'll sit at a blackjack table all night long though
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Any specific blackjack table, Mike?
 
mastapp said:
Recommended Vegas casinos you prefer?
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I've never played there, but Casino Royale has some of the highest allowed odds bets around, something like 50x-100x your Pass line bet.
 
OhioMatt said:
I've never played there, but Casino Royale has some of the highest allowed odds bets around, something like 50x-100x your Pass line bet.
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It's kind of a dump, but 100x odds and they used to have a $3 minimum table. So, you can theoretically bet $303 and the house has no advantage on $300 of it. Also, $1 beers (free while you're playing, of course).
 
Pass line, usually. I'll let a few rolls go before getting on individual numbers, $1 hard ways bets can also be a good bonus. I always feel more comfortable with shooters that set the dice, vs. dudes that fling them like they're in the back alley. It sounds dumb but I think there may actually be something to it.
 
Definitely play the pass or don't pass with odds. Come bets and place bets also aren't bad bets. I've won a lot of money having placed the 6 and 8 when someone got on a hot streak with the dice (but of course lost some when people quickly crap out).

For fun, a small bet on the hard ways can pay off at times, but from an odds perspective, it's not very good. But if you're up and want to throw $5 down on a hard 6 for example, it can be fun if it pays off.

Stay away from absolutely everything else on the table. They're all sucker bets.
 
I have not learned Casino craps yet. Every Super Bowl, some family of mine gets together for a big craps came out in the sticks. It is basically betting against/with the roller. It is a lot of fun and it doesn't get too heated even though there can be a lot of money changing hands.
 
I play Don't Pass with 2x odds, two DC's and ride it out until a decision is reached.

I like the idea that, if I can get past the come out roll, that one roll isn't going to wipe me out completely, like it does on the Pass Line.
 
Jank said:
I have not learned Casino craps yet. Every Super Bowl, some family of mine gets together for a big craps came out in the sticks. It is basically betting against/with the roller. It is a lot of fun and it doesn't get too heated even though there can be a lot of money changing hands.
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Sounds like a lot of fun...that used to be a big player in college around loan\grant\scholarship payout time! Love the avatar, BTW.
 
Rolled a lot of dice in my day. Haven't done it that much in the past couple years.

My buddy was a devout No Pass better. Bet with the house to crap out, right? In summary you're pretty much hoping the roller establishes a point before rolling a 7. You don't often see this technique since it's sort of taboo. You're betting for the majority if not the whole table to lose.

I crunched some numbers back in college when I was studying statistics. Probability wise they're still both poor bets.
 
I dont believe in laying odds playing the Dont Pass. I understand the premise behind minimizing the risk of the Come Out Roll, putting out $20 in hopes of winning $10 back is not for me (using 4 or 10 as example). As I said, I understand the idea of minimizing the risk of the Come Out, but odds are just that to me, giving me the "advantage" by taking it away from the house in terms of payout. Giving it back to them by laying odds (playing the Dont Pass rather than Buying Odds playing the Pass) seems like a bad bet to me.

To be fair however, I dont play the Wrong Bettor anymore (or gamble at all really). To me Craps has always been a social game, where stakes are high, the high fives are everywhere and people win and lose together. The Wrong Bettor kind of sits back and looks away and seems to miss that part of it.

Now dont get me wrong, its certainly fine and people should bet with their own money how they choose. Just not for me personally.
 
sleuth said:
Rolled a lot of dice in my day. Haven't done it that much in the past couple years.

My buddy was a devout No Pass better. Bet with the house to crap out, right? In summary you're pretty much hoping the roller establishes a point before rolling a 7. You don't often see this technique since it's sort of taboo. You're betting for the majority if not the whole table to lose.

I crunched some numbers back in college when I was studying statistics. Probability wise they're still both poor bets.
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I thought both bets had about 49% odds, which were some of the best in the casino, regarless of the game. I'm a finance guy, only had 2 stats classes, so I could be off, however.
 
I always play the pass line, mainly because I like playing against the house. Las Vegas casino for craps: Paris, Bally's & Aria. Had the most luck at those casinos.
 
mastapp said:
I thought both bets had about 49% odds, which were some of the best in the casino, regarless of the game. I'm a finance guy, only had 2 stats classes, so I could be off, however.
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Don't Pass actually has better slightly better odds @ 48.64% then the Pass line @ 48.59%. Definantly some of the best in the casino aside from Odds bets.
 
JB said:
I dont believe in laying odds playing the Dont Pass. I understand the premise behind minimizing the risk of the Come Out Roll, putting out $20 in hopes of winning $10 back is not for me (using 4 or 10 as example).
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The laying odds against a number with with the Don't Pass looks worse than it is, in my opinion. There are six ways to make a 7, only three ways to make a 4 or 10. And you can hedge the hard 4\10 with a multi roll bet for only $1-2 bucks.

I do agree that I lose a lot of the social aspect of the game by playing the "Dark Side", but I'm there to try to make $. I may not get rich off a heater like the Pass Line players do, but I'm not going to go bust in 5 minutes like they will, either.
 
I have never bet don't pass. However...with some of the shooters last time I played...I was strongly tempted.
 
OhioMatt said:
Don't Pass actually has better slightly better odds @ 48.64% then the Pass line @ 48.59%. Definantly some of the best in the casino aside from Odds bets.
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Cool. I thought it was somewhere in that ballpark. I guess you could technically say they are the best odds in the casino, because there are no "odds" bets without line bets.
 
mastapp said:
The laying odds against a number with with the Don't Pass looks worse than it is, in my opinion. There are six ways to make a 7, only three ways to make a 4 or 10. And you can hedge the hard 4\10 with a multi roll bet for only $1-2 bucks.

I do agree that I lose a lot of the social aspect of the game by playing the "Dark Side", but I'm there to try to make $. I may not get rich off a heater like the Pass Line players do, but I'm not going to go bust in 5 minutes like they will, either.
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Again, I dont think there is anything wrong with it, I just dont believe in putting down twice as much money than I can earn on odds just to avoid the come out roll. I studied this game for a long time during my gambling days. Won and lost far too much to think about now as I dont play anymore. For the small amount of statistical advance (I believe its .05%)(which is erased when odds come into play) in playing as the Wrong Bettor, to me its not worth it, especially considering how much fun is lost at the table. Again for me. YMMV

I got to play one last time in AC with the folks at the THP Outing. It was fun. It was an event. THPers all together crowding the table playing as one. If I am going to gamble, and not do it for a living, I want to enjoy the idea of playing with friends. If I am doing it to get rich....Well, that ship has sailed. They keep those lights on and those casinos being built somehow.
 
JB said:
Again, I dont think there is anything wrong with it, I just dont believe in putting down twice as much money than I can earn on odds just to avoid the come out roll. I studied this game for a long time during my gambling days. Won and lost far too much to think about now as I dont play anymore. For the small amount of statistical advance (I believe its .05%)(which is erased when odds come into play) in playing as the Wrong Bettor, to me its not worth it, especially considering how much fun is lost at the table. Again for me. YMMV

I got to play one last time in AC with the folks at the THP Outing. It was fun. It was an event. THPers all together crowding the table playing as one. If I am going to gamble, and not do it for a living, I want to enjoy the idea of playing with friends. If I am doing it to get rich....Well, that ship has sailed. They keep those lights on and those casinos being built somehow.
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This would be like playing roulette and betting 2 out of the 3 2-1 rows...sure it increases ur odds but the reward isnt worth getting skunked
 
mastapp said:
I thought both bets had about 49% odds, which were some of the best in the casino, regarless of the game. I'm a finance guy, only had 2 stats classes, so I could be off, however.
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I think you're thinking of blackjack. That game has the best odds if you know what you're doing.

Craps is pretty terrible. It's < 20% just to win on the initial come out roll. If you establish a point the odds get even worse since you just increased your odds to roll a 7 and lose. You have better odds picking red/black on roullette.
 
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