Earlier this year, we introduced you to Astral Putters, a company that is approaching putter design like nobody else. If you haven’t read our brand story on Astral, we highly encourage you to do so before going any further. The company’s journey from dream to reality is a compelling example of the power of the entrepreneurial spirit. Today, we dive into Astral Putters themselves. From the components to the fitting approach, we’ll cover it all.
The Astral Story
We aren’t going to rehash Astral’s entire brand story here since we covered it so thoroughly in the article linked above. However, if you’ve already read that it’s worth a quick summary.

Astral’s founder, Blake Callaway, was formerly an attorney with a passion for putter refinishing. Through all his experience working with putters and experimenting on the putting green he came to realize that fitting options available from mass-market equipment manufacturers were not meeting his needs. While he was able to go to the golf store and try dozens of different options, most of these options fit inside a very narrow window and didn’t offer the customization needed for him to maximize his performance.
Blake came to believe that toe hang and shaft offset were the two primary factors in delivering a repeatable square face at impact. However, the particular combination of those two factors that worked best for him, slight toe-hang and minimal offset, was almost impossible to find.
Thus, the idea behind Astral Putters was born; highly customizable putters built from components and a fitting system that allows each person to precisely dial in a putter to their individual stroke. Through consultation with the company’s experts, consumers can put together a putter that not only matches their needs but can be adjusted in the future if anything changes.
The Heads – Astral Putters
We’ll dive into Astra’s fitting system in a moment, but we have to start with the part that most of us look at before anything else – the putter head. Astral offers three different choices, and each one can be dialed in. In other words, consumers can pick the head they desire without any strings attached. Yes, since they are shaped differently, they will offer varying levels of stability and MOI, but the moment of truth (impact) will be the same.

The Blade is the most traditional of the three Astral offerings. This slim and compact head is a classic for a reason. It’s nimble, responsive, and gives the golfer the most opportunity to control the club head through the stroke. Astral’s blade features a moderate toe-to-heel length, square lines, and rounded bumpers that step down from the top line into the flange.
The Mid-Mallet is better known by golfers as a “double-wide blade”. It’s shorter than the Blade from heel to toe and is deeper from face to tail. This design will provide a bit more MOI (resistance to twisting) and a more modern looking option that should be popular with a wide variety of golfers.
The Mallet is a shape unique to Astral and is our favorite of the three. It’s a take on the fanged mallet we’ve all come to love but has its own unique look to set it apart. In some ways it almost reminds us of Batman, with the edges of the flange diagonally reaching out from the center to the tips of the fangs. As far as mallets go, we consider it to be on the smaller side. It’s relatively compact, but you still get the stability benefits this design typically offers.
The System – Astral Putters

The centerpiece of the Astral fitting system is the hosel. There are three “Z” shaped hosels of different lengths to choose from, and each one produces a different starting point when it comes to how much toe hang is available. The shortest encourages the most toe hang, the longest works best for face-balanced configurations, and the middle length bridges the gap with its versatility.

That’s not all though. These hosels can be oriented in any way the user wants in a 360 degree circle, producing wildly different results. What do we mean? Look close at the end of the hosel in the picture below. See the notches? Each one represents a clock position and there are 10 of them to choose from. Better yet – each hosel is reversible and the other end has another 10 notches to offer 10 more clock positions. Having a hard time imagining this? Let’s look at the picture of the three heads below, each with the hosel in a different place.

The Blade (far left) shows something similar to the type of offset we’d see with a plumber’s neck hosel. The Mid-Mallet in the center shows no offset at all. Finally, the Mallet shows a configuration similar to a flow neck hosel. All three of these settings are fairly common in production putters, but there are some wildly unique choices available. Want to try some onset? How about approximating a Zero Torque putters? You can do it with Astral. Better yet, you use the different hosel lengths to balance your desired amount of toe hang with the offset look you prefer at address. The options are almost limitless.
Fitting
It’s easy to see that there’s a level of complexity to the Astral fitting system. The execution is quite easy though. Each component attaches with a screw that tightly secures it. In fact, you’d be hard pressed to know that these putters are combinations of components when they are fully assembled. The company takes great pride in the tight tolerances they are able to produce.

Where to start though?
First, if you’re not a devout putter nerd that knows exactly what works for you, we highly recommend taking the path of least resistance. Reach out to the company. You can meet with their experts at no additional cost, and they will guide you to the right fit via email and eventually a video conference. They will discuss your aesthetic preferences and common misses in pre-consultation. Once you have their putter in hand, they’ll watch you take putts and guide you through the necessary adjustments to really dial things in.

What fun is that though?
We’re joking of course, but the fact remains that there is a group of us out there that has both the knowledge and desire to tinker, and Astral is the tinkerer’s dream come true. For those of you like us, we still suggest reaching out to the company to talk options, but from there we’ll point you to their fitting page. There you will find a full explanation and diagrams of the Astral system, along with a number of suggested starting points to build common putter configurations.
Throughout the review process we built flow necks, plumber’s necks, face-balanced putters, a zero-torque style design, and some we aren’t even sure have a name yet. The process takes a few minutes at most and is incredibly gratifying, as you can almost instantly see the results from your changes. As adventurous as we were, we still found that the old-fashioned flow neck worked best for us. Old habits are hard to break.

Of course, putter fitting has considerations other than offset and toe-hang. Length and lie angle are vitally important as well. Astral provides guidance on both of these things, and their method of choosing a lie angle was particularly helpful at home. As you likely know, lie angle impacts how upright or flat the putter and the shaft come up from the ground. Most companies default to 70 degrees. Improper lie angle can trick you into standing too far from or too close to the ball. It can force changes in your setup that negatively impact your natural stroke.
In addition, we learned that our desired lie angle could even change with the style of putter we were using! For example, the flow neck design by nature tricks the eyes into wanting to stand further from the ball. By adjusting it more upright with one of the five spuds Astral offers we were able to achieve a comfortable setup with our preferred head shape in seconds. This alone was worth the price of admission – a true “lightbulb” moment.
The Options and Customization
It seems crazy to say that there are even more ways to customize and dial in an Astral Putter, but there are. The company truly wants their product to be something that will last you a lifetime, and they’ve found ways to future-proof their putters.

First, as part of the fitting and building process, there are both shaft and grip options to pick from. The black KBS CT Tour shaft is available in a no-step or single step option. In addition, there are five grips available from Winn and SuperStroke.
Our favorite piece of customization is on the putter head itself. Astral’s component design goes even deeper than fitting choices. It allows you to swap the face insert and radically alter how the putter sounds and feels. Three base options are available: brass, copper, and carbon steel. Each one is much thicker than the inserts we typically seen on production putters and has unique properties that makes it stand out from the others.

Astral describes the brass as “crisp”, which is another way of saying it’s the firmest feeling insert they offer. Make no mistake – you will notice the firmness and high-pitched “ting” sound of the brass insert right away. There is a small group of enthusiasts out there that love the brass feel, and Astral delivers is nicely with this option.
The copper insert is described as the softest of the three, which proved to be true in terms of tactile feedback. This soft metal is undoubtedly much smoother than brass, though it does still carry with it a slightly higher pitched sound at impact. One thing we loved about the copper insert was its smooth, uniform look when installed. It contrasted nicely with the black head and provided a great visual cue for alignment purposes.
Our favorite of the three stock Astral insert options was the carbon steel. This insert is decidedly the most “modern” of the three in the sense that it is very familiar sounding compared to other current milled putters. Impact produces a soft, low-pitched click that we enjoyed with a variety of golf balls.

Are three insert choices not enough for you? If not, Astral even releases limited edition face inserts throughout the year. We had the pleasure of trying a Damascus steel insert, and it was impossible not to fall in love. The softness, responsiveness, and amazing visuals from the Damascus steel made this a winner in every sense of the word.
Astral offers a full customization program with engraving and color finishes in almost any combination you can imagine. They also utilize their custom program to create limited edition putters throughout the year. A personal favorite of ours was released ahead of the Masters last month. Emblazoned in green and yellow, this Reserve Series Augusta Collection putters from Astral are true standouts.
The Performance – Astral Putters Review
Finally, we come to performance. This was a tricky category to judge Astral putters in – not because they didn’t perform, but because they can (and do) perform so differently with every change that is made.
We felt like it was our duty to build and test as many configurations as possible in the last couple months. First, it was fun, but we also wanted to know if these builds behaved like we expected them to.

So, we had great putting performances, and we had some days better off forgotten. Why? Simply stated, because fitting matters. For example, the flow neck with an upright setting we built produced amazing and repeatable success. A face balanced putter we built did what face balanced putters do. Unfortunately for us, face balanced putters don’t make many putts. The plumber’s neck build delivered ample toe hang and face closure through the stroke. You get the point, which really proves Atral’s entire point – if you take the time to really dive in, whether on your own or with their experts’ help, you can craft a putter that wants to deliver a square face over and over again.
The Details – Astral Putters Review

Base prices for all Astral Putters start at $500. That price can increase if you decide to order extra fitting components like hosels, lie angle adapters, or face inserts. Custom options and Reserve Series putters are obviously priced a bit higher to reflect the additional work put into the product.
We highly encourage you to visit Astral’s social media pages and website, astralputters.com. At the least, you might start to learn just what it is that makes a putter work for you. You might even come away designing your own.





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[USER=68593]@cmon man[/USER] [USER=84260]@Boosted[/USER] [USER=77429]@leftybob[/USER] [USER=42778]@ScoFoBG[/USER]
What was the deciding factor for you on which insert to choose? I’m having a difficult time deciding which one works best for me. I really don’t think I could go wrong gaming any of the three. [USER=82993]@BC.Astral[/USER] any advice on how to approach this decision?
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I wish I had something smart to say here. I still have to make a decision. I like all the faces for different reasons.
I’m seriously considering doing a coin toss between the copper and brass to see which one stays in the bag for the rest of the summer.
[QUOTE=”BC.Astral, post: 13370828, member: 82993″]
Have someone cut down that 33″ shaft for you to see if 32″ is the number. That’s what I use and love it.
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Will do….thanks!
[QUOTE=”cringjr, post: 13370744, member: 70243″]
[USER=68593]@cmon man[/USER] [USER=84260]@Boosted[/USER] [USER=77429]@leftybob[/USER] [USER=42778]@ScoFoBG[/USER]
What was the deciding factor for you on which insert to choose? I’m having a difficult time deciding which one works best for me. I really don’t think I could go wrong gaming any of the three. [USER=82993]@BC.Astral[/USER] any advice on how to approach this decision?
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Feel was the deciding factor for me and feel is very personal. What feels good or in my case “right” might not be the same for others. This came after playing with setups and finding the right combo of hozel and setting first.
[QUOTE=”BC.Astral, post: 13367934, member: 82993″]
One comment we get a lot from non-owners is the desire for interchangeable weights. Don’t think I’ve spent any time in this thread on the subject, but we don’t offer weight adjustability for a couple of reasons, but the primary one is that we don’t want to disrupt the center of gravity and balance of the club, as that’s a pretty significant area of focus in the design and part of the science behind our ball roll. Is weight adjustability something you are looking for, would the absence of weights deter a purchase, and after playing with the club would you want to adjust weight?
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Went to water world yesterday so I didn’t want to hot take answer this question.
Personally having adjustable weights on a putter has never been a factor for to me. I just started a thread asking about changing the weights in a putter head to see if anyone says yes.
[QUOTE=”leftybob, post: 13370942, member: 77429″]
Question is in the title.
Follow up question: How important are adjustable weights in choosing a putter?
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Other than the Odyssey S2S thread I don’t remember seeing people actually talking about changing the weights. So NGL I’m surprised by how many responses so far are people saying yes they have changed the weights. A question like this is more likely to get answered by people who have played with the removable weights.
One of the responses they changed the weight in the toe to adjust face rotation which is a problem that astral has solved with the adjustable hosel.
There are several responses about adding weight. Astral heads are not light weight. I’m playing 36” putter so if the head got any heavier it would be a sledgehammer. I am contemplating pulling the super stroke counter balance weight out of another putter and trying it in my astral.
[USER=68593]@cmon man[/USER] with a 33” soon to be 32” what do you think? Is there enough heft there?
[QUOTE=”leftybob, post: 13371192, member: 77429″]
Went to water world yesterday so I didn’t want to hot take answer this question.
Personally having adjustable weights on a putter has never been a factor for to me. I just started a thread asking about changing the weights in a putter head to see if anyone says yes.
Other than the Odyssey S2S thread I don’t remember seeing people actually talking about changing the weights. So NGL I’m surprised by how many responses so far are people saying yes they have changed the weights. A question like this is more likely to get answered by people who have played with the removable weights.
One of the responses they changed the weight in the toe to adjust face rotation which is a problem that astral has solved with the adjustable hosel.
There are several responses about adding weight. Astral heads are not light weight. I’m playing 36” putter so if the head got any heavier it would be a sledgehammer. I am contemplating pulling the super stroke counter balance weight out of another putter and trying it in my astral.
[USER=68593]@cmon man[/USER] with a 33” soon to be 32” what do you think? Is there enough heft there?
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Definitely enough for me personally. The Astral is heavier than my old Newport 2, and I love the extra weight. I don’t see a need to play with weight, and it’s never been a factor with me as well.
I have no real thoughts either way on the total weight. I went with a heavier grip, so it is kind of counterbalanced on mine. If anything, I’d swap to a lighter grip to balance it out more as opposed to upping the head weight. No need for adjustable head weights for me as it stands.
[QUOTE=”cringjr, post: 13370744, member: 70243″]
[USER=68593]@cmon man[/USER] [USER=84260]@Boosted[/USER] [USER=77429]@leftybob[/USER] [USER=42778]@ScoFoBG[/USER]
What was the deciding factor for you on which insert to choose? I’m having a difficult time deciding which one works best for me. I really don’t think I could go wrong gaming any of the three. [USER=82993]@BC.Astral[/USER] any advice on how to approach this decision?
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Personal opinion, it’s really tough to decide. I think the performance characteristics on all 3 are pretty similar. You might get a little more juice from the firmest face than the softest face, but it’s very marginal.
I’d really go off a feel standpoint: if you like a sifter feel, and a more muted sound, I’d go copper. If you’re used to a pretty firm feel, I’d think about the other two faces. To me, they are all firmer than I am used to, but the firmest faces have a distance higher pitch sound and feel like any premium steel putter.
I’d be happy to send you one or two of my faces if you need to try something out and send it back to me when you’re done. Send me a DM.
[QUOTE=”ScoFoBG, post: 13373775, member: 42778″]
Personal opinion, it’s really tough to decide. I think the performance characteristics on all 3 are pretty similar. You might get a little more juice from the firmest face than the softest face, but it’s very marginal.
I’d really go off a feel standpoint: if you like a sifter feel, and a more muted sound, I’d go copper. If you’re used to a pretty firm feel, I’d think about the other two faces. To me, they are all firmer than I am used to, but the firmest faces have a distance higher pitch sound and feel like any premium steel putter.
I’d be happy to send you one or two of my faces if you need to try something out and send it back to me when you’re done. Send me a DM.
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Thanks for the feedback. I was curious to what all of you guys were thinking. I was not able to tell much difference in performance between the three. Feel, distance control, ball response to the strike were all very similar regardless of the insert. Sound is not a characteristic that really impacts my preference and there was only a slight difference in sound anyway. Glad to see my evaluation was not far off from you guys.
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Blake is my putting Yoda….but better looking and without the green tint. Awesome video!
Father in law is in town. Going to get a round in this afternoon.
Taking the copper insert on it’s first trip to the golf course today.
Ok. @BC.Astral has made it extremely difficult to pick an insert. At this point it’s down to looks. They all three perform perfectly.
Copper insert looks great in the sun. And the sound is very different outside. It’s a closer to the brass than the steel sound. It got the ball rolling end over end quickly today. I had several longer putts where I had to give it a knock and didn’t notice any skipping off the face.
My lag putting is so much better over the last three rounds. I’ve leaving the ball in much more manageable spots.
Getting the “Texas Wedge” distances dialed in with my Astral now. No 3 putts and every single putt missed left within 2 feet. Pretty cool.
Going out this afternoon for 18. I seem to be able to dial in distance pretty quickly even with changing ball types. Will test that preliminary observation today. Love the Astral. Get your questions in THPers.
[QUOTE=”cringjr, post: 13370744, member: 70243″]
[USER=68593]@cmon man[/USER] [USER=84260]@Boosted[/USER] [USER=77429]@leftybob[/USER] [USER=42778]@ScoFoBG[/USER]
What was the deciding factor for you on which insert to choose? I’m having a difficult time deciding which one works best for me. I really don’t think I could go wrong gaming any of the three. [USER=82993]@BC.Astral[/USER] any advice on how to approach this decision?
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Don’t think you can go wrong either. For the face insert, I’d stop worrying about the performance side and just focus on what feels, sounds, and looks best to you. Know you like the saints color scheme so all things being equal id go with the brass for you.
Got another round in Sunday afternoon.
This time I went back to the brass insert. I think I’ll keep this one in there for a while. I like the look, like the sound and it rolls the ball great.
Overall I’ve been really happy with this putter. I’ve been seeing good results on the course and think I’ve found the best hosel setting for me and will ride with this setup the rest of the golf season.
I think the weight of the club head and how the ball reacts to the insert are my two favorite characteristics. The weight has improved my lag putting and the ball gets rolling end over end quick. No skipping or sliding that I have seen.
[QUOTE=”cringjr, post: 13382394, member: 70243″]
Got another round in Sunday afternoon.
This time I went back to the brass insert. I think I’ll keep this one in there for a while. I like the look, like the sound and it rolls the ball great.
Overall I’ve been really happy with this putter. I’ve been seeing good results on the course and think I’ve found the best hosel setting for me and will ride with this setup the rest of the golf season.
I think the weight of the club head and how the ball reacts to the insert are my two favorite characteristics. The weight has improved my lag putting and the ball gets rolling end over end quick. No skipping or sliding that I have seen.
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Agree with you on how well the ball rolls and the lag putting. I am sticking with copper but any insert is great. I am just fine tuning the shaft length at this point. I tried the 33″ yesterday for 18 with good result. I do like the shorter shaft so will get the 33″ cut down to 32″. Then make a decision on shaft length.
[QUOTE=”cmon man, post: 13382529, member: 68593″]
Agree with you on how well the ball rolls and the lag putting. I am sticking with copper but any insert is great. I am just fine tuning the shaft length at this point. I tried the 33″ yesterday for 18 with good result. I do like the shorter shaft so will get the 33″ cut down to 32″. Then make a decision on shaft length.
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How are you shortening the shaft? I’m thinking I‘d like to lose an inch…. 😎
[QUOTE=”Boosted, post: 13384209, member: 84260″]
How are you shortening the shaft? I’m thinking I‘d like to lose an inch…. 😎
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Blake just said get someone to cut it down. What length do you have?
[QUOTE=”cmon man, post: 13385158, member: 68593″]
Blake just said get someone to cut it down. What length do you have?
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I got 34″ but it feels about an inch long. Guess I’ll try to blow the grip off and take an inch off the butt of the shaft.
[QUOTE=”Boosted, post: 13385283, member: 84260″]
I got 34″ but it feels about an inch long. Guess I’ll try to blow the grip off and take an inch off the butt of the shaft.
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That is what I was pondering too. I don’t want to ruin the grip so was wondering if it could be cut down on either end. A decent club guy could answer, but maybe [USER=82993]@BC.Astral[/USER] is the best source on this one.
For the other testers, any tinkering left or are we all settled in on a final setup?
[USER=84260]@Boosted[/USER]
[USER=77429]@leftybob[/USER]
[USER=68593]@cmon man[/USER]
[USER=42778]@ScoFoBG[/USER]
[QUOTE=”cringjr, post: 13388337, member: 70243″]
For the other testers, any tinkering left or are we all settled in on a final setup?
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[USER=77429]@leftybob[/USER]
[USER=68593]@cmon man[/USER]
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I am down to shaft length as a final setup parameter. I will still play around with some of the more exotic settings just for fun, but I am very happy with what I am playing now. In case you didn’t read before, I gave my Newport 2 to my wife. I have been using that putter for more than 10 years and I am not one of those that gets a new putter often. Astral is my putter now.
[QUOTE=”cmon man, post: 13388359, member: 68593″]
I am down to shaft length as a final setup parameter. I will still play around with some of the more exotic settings just for fun, but I am very happy with what I am playing now. In case you didn’t read before, I gave my Newport 2 to my wife. I have been using that putter for more than 10 years and I am not one of those that gets a new putter often. Astral is my putter now.
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What hosel setting did you land on? I’ve bounced between Red A3 and B2. Thinking it will stay B2 after using that the last 2 rounds. Brass insert won out and is gonna stay put. And like you, I’m keeping the Astral in the bag.
I ended up on white A1, and landed on the copper insert. I thought I would like steel but that was actually my third choice in the end.
[QUOTE=”cringjr, post: 13388337, member: 70243″]
For the other testers, any tinkering left or are we all settled in on a final setup?
[USER=84260]@Boosted[/USER]
[USER=77429]@leftybob[/USER]
[USER=68593]@cmon man[/USER]
[USER=42778]@ScoFoBG[/USER]
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I think as far as settings go, I am done tinkering. I would like to shorten the shaft an inch at some point. As soon as I am done with my copper insert patina mod, I’ll post pictures.
[QUOTE=”cringjr, post: 13382394, member: 70243″]
Got another round in Sunday afternoon.
This time I went back to the brass insert. I think I’ll keep this one in there for a while. I like the look, like the sound and it rolls the ball great.
Overall I’ve been really happy with this putter. I’ve been seeing good results on the course and think I’ve found the best hosel setting for me and will ride with this setup the rest of the golf season.
I think the weight of the club head and how the ball reacts to the insert are my two favorite characteristics. The weight has improved my lag putting and the ball gets rolling end over end quick. No skipping or sliding that I have seen.
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How easy is it to change the hosel setting?
[QUOTE=”Coulter, post: 13388608, member: 84628″]
How easy is it to change the hosel setting?
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As long as it takes to unscrew and rescrew two tiny screws. After the first couple of tries getting used to it, maybe 1-2 minutes for a complete swap of a hosel? Easy and straightforward system.
[QUOTE=”cringjr, post: 13388337, member: 70243″]
For the other testers, any tinkering left or are we all settled in on a final setup?
[USER=84260]@Boosted[/USER]
[USER=77429]@leftybob[/USER]
[USER=68593]@cmon man[/USER]
[USER=42778]@ScoFoBG[/USER]
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I feel really comfortable with hosel settings I landed on. Played a round (Shout Out Geneva Convention) and putted really well with it.
The two things I’m still experimenting with are:
1. Getting more time with each face. I’d like to play a round with each face but I don’t play as often as I’d like
2. I’d like to compare the longer and shorter neck a bit more in the same configuration just to make sure that doesn’t offer me any additional performance.
[QUOTE=”PiratePenguin, post: 13388679, member: 2635″]
As long as it takes to unscrew and rescrew two tiny screws. After the first couple of tries getting used to it, maybe 1-2 minutes for a complete swap of a hosel? Easy and straightforward system.
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Do you feel like down the road it would make sense for them to use torque based screws for the different components? That’s one of the concerns I have is these screws coming loose during a round as I never know that they are “locked in”. Personally, I think that would be a big improvement and give a lot of piece of mind, I just don’t know how costly or realistic that would be to do.
[QUOTE=”ScoFoBG, post: 13388769, member: 42778″]
Do you feel like down the road it would make sense for them to use torque based screws for the different components? That’s one of the concerns I have is these screws coming loose during a round as I never know that they are “locked in”. Personally, I think that would be a big improvement and give a lot of piece of mind, I just don’t know how costly or realistic that would be to do.
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Not sure. Only had mine feel loose once so far, and that was probably because I tossed it (gently, but still) towards my wedges after missing a short putt so I could tend the flag for the rest of the group. Noticed it on the next green. Hit a 40 ft lag to a foot anyway lol. I just tightened the screws when I got back to the cart. Easy peasy.
[QUOTE=”Coulter, post: 13388608, member: 84628″]
How easy is it to change the hosel setting?
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Real easy. Two screws move the hosel to the desired position or flip it over. There are three (3) hosels with 10 positions on each end, so 60 positions. Screws go in easily and tighten well. The entire putter feels and acts like a single unit. It is crafted and manufactured very well.
[QUOTE=”Coulter, post: 13388608, member: 84628″]
How easy is it to change the hosel setting?
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Lot’s of good answers on this already. It’s pretty straightforward, like the others have mentioned. A minute or two at the most.
[QUOTE=”ScoFoBG, post: 13388769, member: 42778″]
Do you feel like down the road it would make sense for them to use torque based screws for the different components? That’s one of the concerns I have is these screws coming loose during a round as I never know that they are “locked in”. Personally, I think that would be a big improvement and give a lot of piece of mind, I just don’t know how costly or realistic that would be to do.
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The screws and the threaded pieces are very well made and will hold up well. I have not had anything come loose or even close. Since the putter came with extra screws I was thinking of using fresh screws one I got to where I wanted to be, but that has not even been a concern. There is plenty of thread on the screws as well. The small screwdrivers are supplied and you could keep one in your bag in case of emergency. My bet is you will never use it.
[QUOTE=”ScoFoBG, post: 13388769, member: 42778″]
Do you feel like down the road it would make sense for them to use torque based screws for the different components? That’s one of the concerns I have is these screws coming loose during a round as I never know that they are “locked in”. Personally, I think that would be a big improvement and give a lot of piece of mind, I just don’t know how costly or realistic that would be to do.
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Ooops I didn’t look at your screen name…sorry for the overkill answer.
[QUOTE=”cmon man, post: 13388822, member: 68593″]
The screws and the threaded pieces are very well made and will hold up well. I have not had anything come loose or even close. Since the putter came with extra screws I was thinking of using fresh screws one I got to where I wanted to be, but that has not even been a concern. There is plenty of thread on the screws as well. The small screwdrivers are supplied and you could keep one in your bag in case of emergency. My bet is you will never use it.
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I think you’re right. Let’s think about a scenario where they start making some headway and sales grow and they need to reduce costs a bit and streamline their process. I’d be concerned that screws staying in would be the first problem since the entire concept is reliant on them.
Again, you’re right in the current environment, but it has the potential to get dicey down the road.
[QUOTE=”PiratePenguin, post: 13388679, member: 2635″]
As long as it takes to unscrew and rescrew two tiny screws. After the first couple of tries getting used to it, maybe 1-2 minutes for a complete swap of a hosel? Easy and straightforward system.
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[QUOTE=”cmon man, post: 13388796, member: 68593″]
Real easy. Two screws move the hosel to the desired position or flip it over. There are three (3) hosels with 10 positions on each end, so 60 positions. Screws go in easily and tighten well. The entire putter feels and acts like a single unit. It is crafted and manufactured very well.
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[QUOTE=”cringjr, post: 13388808, member: 70243″]
Lot’s of good answers on this already. It’s pretty straightforward, like the others have mentioned. A minute or two at the most.
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Pretty cool to see. The fact that it’s this easy makes me want these even more.
I think this is the route I’m going to go when I buy a new putter. I’m looking forward to continuing to follow talks progress with these.
The adjustability has me really excited honestly.
I had similar concerns and actually had the screws loosen up considerably during a round. And I didn’t have the tool pouch in my bag. 100% my fault for not tightening enough and I can see this happening to others. I keep the tools in my bag now, but haven’t had any issues since. I give the shaft and head a little twist to check for play in the components before each round now.
I’m not sure what can be done from a torque standpoint. Maybe provide a target torque setting for those that have a torque wrench. But I would imagine that would have to be a pretty specialized tool since the parts are so small and access to screw locations can be impacted by hosel setting.
[QUOTE=”cringjr, post: 13388337, member: 70243″]
For the other testers, any tinkering left or are we all settled in on a final setup?
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I have a couple of things in my head.
First I need to get another super stroke counter weight to try. I went to pull the 50g weight out of another putter but the epoxy holding the screw cap and weight together has come apart inside the old putter and I can buy another for $11 so I’m not dealing with that right now. This is purely a feel thing. My putter is 36 inches and on longer putts the head can feel a little bit heavy.
I do think I’m going to go back to cross handed for putts inside of 25 feet. I’ve made a lot of putts and have had a lot of tap in pars. Going back to cross handed is more of a comfort thing and mental than driven by need. So am going to give myself a mini fitting to see if I need to change anything in the settings. Would be surprised if I need to change anything but I still want to make sure.
For face I’m keeping the brass in for now. I kinda like the sharper sound.
Also once I have the counter weight I will give the mallet head another go as well.
[QUOTE=”ScoFoBG, post: 13388769, member: 42778″]
Do you feel like down the road it would make sense for them to use torque based screws for the different components? That’s one of the concerns I have is these screws coming loose during a round as I never know that they are “locked in”. Personally, I think that would be a big improvement and give a lot of piece of mind, I just don’t know how costly or realistic that would be to do.
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I got 2 plastic tubes of screws. One with nothing on them and the other with lock tight on them. For tinkering the non lock tight screws get used. When I have a setup I want to stick with the lock tight screws get used.
Mine also came with a little 3d printed torque wrench to use. To ensure the screw is in tight enough.
[QUOTE=”Coulter, post: 13388853, member: 84628″]
Pretty cool to see. The fact that it’s this easy makes me want these even more.
I think this is the route I’m going to go when I buy a new putter. I’m looking forward to continuing to follow talks progress with these.
The adjustability has me really excited honestly.
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Being able to really dial in the toe hang, shaft position relative to the heads CG and overall look is eye opening. Having the perfect setup putter to start the ball on your line is crazy. I hit a few putts with another putter the other day and I was surprised at how much I was having to manipulate the putter to get the ball started on line.
[QUOTE=”leftybob, post: 13389068, member: 77429″]
Being able to really dial in the toe hang, shaft position relative to the heads CG and overall look is eye opening. Having the perfect setup putter to start the ball on your line is crazy. I hit a few putts with another putter the other day and I was surprised at how much I was having to manipulate the putter to get the ball started on line.
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This comment got me a little excited to try these!
I really need to soon!
[QUOTE=”cringjr, post: 13388864, member: 70243″]
I had similar concerns and actually had the screws loosen up considerably during a round. And I didn’t have the tool pouch in my bag. 100% my fault for not tightening enough and I can see this happening to others. I keep the tools in my bag now, but haven’t had any issues since. I give the shaft and head a little twist to check for play in the components before each round now.
I’m not sure what can be done from a torque standpoint. Maybe provide a target torque setting for those that have a torque wrench. But I would imagine that would have to be a pretty specialized tool since the parts are so small and access to screw locations can be impacted by hosel setting.
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[QUOTE=”leftybob, post: 13389030, member: 77429″]
I have a couple of things in my head.
First I need to get another super stroke counter weight to try. I went to pull the 50g weight out of another putter but the epoxy holding the screw cap and weight together has come apart inside the old putter and I can buy another for $11 so I’m not dealing with that right now. This is purely a feel thing. My putter is 36 inches and on longer putts the head can feel a little bit heavy.
I do think I’m going to go back to cross handed for putts inside of 25 feet. I’ve made a lot of putts and have had a lot of tap in pars. Going back to cross handed is more of a comfort thing and mental than driven by need. So am going to give myself a mini fitting to see if I need to change anything in the settings. Would be surprised if I need to change anything but I still want to make sure.
For face I’m keeping the brass in for now. I kinda like the sharper sound.
Also once I have the counter weight I will give the mallet head another go as well.
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Great idea to recheck your fitting. I think it might even make sense for a lot of us to recheck fitting periodically even if nothing has apparently changed.
[QUOTE=”cmon man, post: 13389129, member: 68593″]
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Great idea to recheck your fitting. I think it might even make sense for a lot of us to recheck fitting periodically even if nothing has apparently changed.
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NGL I have never been a huge fan of gate drills but I’m going to make myself do them with some amount of regularity to see if my aim is changing at all.
[QUOTE=”leftybob, post: 13389217, member: 77429″]
NGL I have never been a huge fan of gate drills but I’m going to make myself do them with some amount of regularity to see if my aim is changing at all.
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Yep. I’m with you on this one.
[QUOTE=”leftybob, post: 13389030, member: 77429″]
First I need to get another super stroke counter weight to try. I went to pull the 50g weight out of another putter but the epoxy holding the screw cap and weight together has come apart inside the old putter and I can buy another for $11 so I’m not dealing with that right now.
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Update ran to Golf Galaxy at lunch to get the weight. Apparently I had a $10 reward that was about to expire so I got the weight for $1.
[QUOTE=”cringjr, post: 13389348, member: 70243″]
Yep. I’m with you on this one.
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The gate they gave us is actually quite nice because there’s no fooling yourself. Either you hit it right on line and it goes through, or it doesn’t.
That was the final test for me knowing I had the right configuration in the hosel settings. I hit 10 putts in a row right through without touching the wall and said “if every single putt starts dead online, why would I continue changing”
Been MIA for past couple days, so responding to a couple threads:
[U]Changing Shaft Length[/U] – Both before and after starting Astral, I’ve tinkered a lot with length and grips, so I have a ton of experience trying to salvage grips. Long story short, I don’t think the juice is worth the squeeze. I recommend cutting it off and just buying a new one. If you want to give it a try nonetheless, a good DIY option is to fold a metal hanger flat, stuff the hanger down the grip slowly with solvent and you can eventually work solvent all the way through and either pull or blow it off.
[U]Screws and Torque[/U] – I’ve got a prototype torque wrench in process, so let me know if you want one to test. It takes screws down to ~1.2nm, which is ideal. We always recommend you carry your tool bag with you just in case of loosening on course, but that really shouldn’t be a persistent issue. We also strongly recommend that you substitute in new screws with the fresh threadlocker once you’ve finalized your settings to make sure you get maximum hold. It’s likewise a good idea to replace screws annually at the beginning of each season.
I’d like to share my overall thoughts on the Astral Putter. Over the last 4 or 5 weeks I’ve spent a lot of time tinkering with settings, practicing on the putting mat and have 5 full rounds of golf with it.
Background:
I was using a Cleveland HB Soft #8. A double wide blade with slight toe hang and offset. My miss was usually a little push.
I selected the Astral Mid-Mallet to test. I chose a 34 inch shaft and the Super Stroke XL grip. Astral provides several graphite shaft and grip options.
Initial Impressions:
The mid mallet is a great looking putter. It’s a familiar shape but also has its own unique look. I can’t imagine anyone getting this in hand and not liking how it looks. The craftsmanship is superb. Parts fit together very well.
Everything you need is in the package. We received all three inserts (steel, copper, brass), three hosels, tools to secure and plenty of fasteners. All in a nice little pouch to throw in your golf bag. We also received a putting gate to use during the fitting process.
I love the weight of the putter head and the insert. It’s heavier than any putter I have used before. I tend to like a heavier putter and this one falls right into my wheel house. I was able to get comfortable with the weight very quickly.
Consultation and Fitting Process:
The consultation with @BC.Astral was great. Still a little shocked he was willing to spend this much time with us. We talked about 45 minutes about my putting preference, challenges and working through what options I should try. We landed on the mid-mallet, shortened my shaft from 35 to 34 inches, lie angle of 72 degrees moving from the 70 degrees on my previous putter.
I elected to try self fitting and received a document designed to walk me through the process. This was very helpful as having 60 hosel combinations seemed a little overwhelming. The three hosels each provide different levels of toe hang. The fitting process is designed to help steer your putting by manipulating toe hang and offset. Need to move the start line left, add to hang or offset and reduce if you want to move the starting point to the right. The provided putting gate makes it easy to identify push or pulls. It’s very satisfying when you finally start hitting putts that run through perfectly. You basically work through hosel settings until you start hitting your line consistently. One key point is to resist adjusting the putting stroke to make it through the gate. Consistent misses are good as they provide the feedback needed to land on the best setting for you.
I was a little timid with the part assembly at first as I was nervous I would damage something. Once you get the hang of making adjustments, the comfort level improves and the learning curve is quick.
After trying a lot of different settings over several fitting sessions, I always landed on the red hosel (most toe hang) in the B2 position which has a good bit of offset.
Performance:
The putter puts a really good roll on the ball. It gets going end over end quick. I don’t notice any skipping or hopping off the putter face. It feels solid on contact. Each insert has its own unique sound and feel. I love the brass and will use that one going forward.
My lag putting was greatly improved in the rounds I played with Astral in the bag. Speed control and start line improved with each outing. And the confidence on shorter putts, knowing you will hit your line, goes up significantly.
The finish on the putter head seems to hold up well. I didn’t have it in the provided head cover all the time. Very minimal wear on the finish. I’ll keep an eye out on this over time, but I’m not concerned it will be an issue.
Things to improve/consider:
Honestly, not a lot here. If anything, maybe move away from the paint on the hosels as an identifier as it tends to wear off when changing parts. Maybe an engraved number on the hosel. That’s really it. No complaints on much.
Conclusion:
I really like this putter. It’s going to stay in the bag for the foreseeable future. Feels great, looks great and the ball rolls true. Having this level of customization is awesome. And if you want to change something, you can. No need to ever buy another putter. You can have a “new” putter just by changing the hosel setting, the face or both. @BC.Astral has done a great job.
Brass insert:
Hosel setting Red B2.
Such a good looking putter
[QUOTE=”ScoFoBG, post: 13388769, member: 42778″]
Do you feel like down the road it would make sense for them to use torque based screws for the different components? That’s one of the concerns I have is these screws coming loose during a round as I never know that they are “locked in”. Personally, I think that would be a big improvement and give a lot of piece of mind, I just don’t know how costly or realistic that would be to do.
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Not a tester and I’m old so please verify.
I thought that the testers were given 3 sets of screws, one of which has loctite applied which they were supposed to use for their final setting.
[QUOTE=”DufferToo, post: 13393777, member: 10059″]
Not a tester and I’m old so please verify.
I thought that the testers were given 3 sets of screws, one of which has loctite applied which they were supposed to use for their final setting.
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That is true. I will eventually do just that once I have settled on shaft length. Personally I have not had an issue with screw loosening (on my putter anyway), especially after not being afraid to tighten them firmly.