Earlier this year, we introduced you to Astral Putters, a company that is approaching putter design like nobody else. If you haven’t read our brand story on Astral, we highly encourage you to do so before going any further. The company’s journey from dream to reality is a compelling example of the power of the entrepreneurial spirit. Today, we dive into Astral Putters themselves. From the components to the fitting approach, we’ll cover it all.
The Astral Story
We aren’t going to rehash Astral’s entire brand story here since we covered it so thoroughly in the article linked above. However, if you’ve already read that it’s worth a quick summary.

Astral’s founder, Blake Callaway, was formerly an attorney with a passion for putter refinishing. Through all his experience working with putters and experimenting on the putting green he came to realize that fitting options available from mass-market equipment manufacturers were not meeting his needs. While he was able to go to the golf store and try dozens of different options, most of these options fit inside a very narrow window and didn’t offer the customization needed for him to maximize his performance.
Blake came to believe that toe hang and shaft offset were the two primary factors in delivering a repeatable square face at impact. However, the particular combination of those two factors that worked best for him, slight toe-hang and minimal offset, was almost impossible to find.
Thus, the idea behind Astral Putters was born; highly customizable putters built from components and a fitting system that allows each person to precisely dial in a putter to their individual stroke. Through consultation with the company’s experts, consumers can put together a putter that not only matches their needs but can be adjusted in the future if anything changes.
The Heads – Astral Putters
We’ll dive into Astra’s fitting system in a moment, but we have to start with the part that most of us look at before anything else – the putter head. Astral offers three different choices, and each one can be dialed in. In other words, consumers can pick the head they desire without any strings attached. Yes, since they are shaped differently, they will offer varying levels of stability and MOI, but the moment of truth (impact) will be the same.

The Blade is the most traditional of the three Astral offerings. This slim and compact head is a classic for a reason. It’s nimble, responsive, and gives the golfer the most opportunity to control the club head through the stroke. Astral’s blade features a moderate toe-to-heel length, square lines, and rounded bumpers that step down from the top line into the flange.
The Mid-Mallet is better known by golfers as a “double-wide blade”. It’s shorter than the Blade from heel to toe and is deeper from face to tail. This design will provide a bit more MOI (resistance to twisting) and a more modern looking option that should be popular with a wide variety of golfers.
The Mallet is a shape unique to Astral and is our favorite of the three. It’s a take on the fanged mallet we’ve all come to love but has its own unique look to set it apart. In some ways it almost reminds us of Batman, with the edges of the flange diagonally reaching out from the center to the tips of the fangs. As far as mallets go, we consider it to be on the smaller side. It’s relatively compact, but you still get the stability benefits this design typically offers.
The System – Astral Putters

The centerpiece of the Astral fitting system is the hosel. There are three “Z” shaped hosels of different lengths to choose from, and each one produces a different starting point when it comes to how much toe hang is available. The shortest encourages the most toe hang, the longest works best for face-balanced configurations, and the middle length bridges the gap with its versatility.

That’s not all though. These hosels can be oriented in any way the user wants in a 360 degree circle, producing wildly different results. What do we mean? Look close at the end of the hosel in the picture below. See the notches? Each one represents a clock position and there are 10 of them to choose from. Better yet – each hosel is reversible and the other end has another 10 notches to offer 10 more clock positions. Having a hard time imagining this? Let’s look at the picture of the three heads below, each with the hosel in a different place.

The Blade (far left) shows something similar to the type of offset we’d see with a plumber’s neck hosel. The Mid-Mallet in the center shows no offset at all. Finally, the Mallet shows a configuration similar to a flow neck hosel. All three of these settings are fairly common in production putters, but there are some wildly unique choices available. Want to try some onset? How about approximating a Zero Torque putters? You can do it with Astral. Better yet, you use the different hosel lengths to balance your desired amount of toe hang with the offset look you prefer at address. The options are almost limitless.
Fitting
It’s easy to see that there’s a level of complexity to the Astral fitting system. The execution is quite easy though. Each component attaches with a screw that tightly secures it. In fact, you’d be hard pressed to know that these putters are combinations of components when they are fully assembled. The company takes great pride in the tight tolerances they are able to produce.

Where to start though?
First, if you’re not a devout putter nerd that knows exactly what works for you, we highly recommend taking the path of least resistance. Reach out to the company. You can meet with their experts at no additional cost, and they will guide you to the right fit via email and eventually a video conference. They will discuss your aesthetic preferences and common misses in pre-consultation. Once you have their putter in hand, they’ll watch you take putts and guide you through the necessary adjustments to really dial things in.

What fun is that though?
We’re joking of course, but the fact remains that there is a group of us out there that has both the knowledge and desire to tinker, and Astral is the tinkerer’s dream come true. For those of you like us, we still suggest reaching out to the company to talk options, but from there we’ll point you to their fitting page. There you will find a full explanation and diagrams of the Astral system, along with a number of suggested starting points to build common putter configurations.
Throughout the review process we built flow necks, plumber’s necks, face-balanced putters, a zero-torque style design, and some we aren’t even sure have a name yet. The process takes a few minutes at most and is incredibly gratifying, as you can almost instantly see the results from your changes. As adventurous as we were, we still found that the old-fashioned flow neck worked best for us. Old habits are hard to break.

Of course, putter fitting has considerations other than offset and toe-hang. Length and lie angle are vitally important as well. Astral provides guidance on both of these things, and their method of choosing a lie angle was particularly helpful at home. As you likely know, lie angle impacts how upright or flat the putter and the shaft come up from the ground. Most companies default to 70 degrees. Improper lie angle can trick you into standing too far from or too close to the ball. It can force changes in your setup that negatively impact your natural stroke.
In addition, we learned that our desired lie angle could even change with the style of putter we were using! For example, the flow neck design by nature tricks the eyes into wanting to stand further from the ball. By adjusting it more upright with one of the five spuds Astral offers we were able to achieve a comfortable setup with our preferred head shape in seconds. This alone was worth the price of admission – a true “lightbulb” moment.
The Options and Customization
It seems crazy to say that there are even more ways to customize and dial in an Astral Putter, but there are. The company truly wants their product to be something that will last you a lifetime, and they’ve found ways to future-proof their putters.

First, as part of the fitting and building process, there are both shaft and grip options to pick from. The black KBS CT Tour shaft is available in a no-step or single step option. In addition, there are five grips available from Winn and SuperStroke.
Our favorite piece of customization is on the putter head itself. Astral’s component design goes even deeper than fitting choices. It allows you to swap the face insert and radically alter how the putter sounds and feels. Three base options are available: brass, copper, and carbon steel. Each one is much thicker than the inserts we typically seen on production putters and has unique properties that makes it stand out from the others.

Astral describes the brass as “crisp”, which is another way of saying it’s the firmest feeling insert they offer. Make no mistake – you will notice the firmness and high-pitched “ting” sound of the brass insert right away. There is a small group of enthusiasts out there that love the brass feel, and Astral delivers is nicely with this option.
The copper insert is described as the softest of the three, which proved to be true in terms of tactile feedback. This soft metal is undoubtedly much smoother than brass, though it does still carry with it a slightly higher pitched sound at impact. One thing we loved about the copper insert was its smooth, uniform look when installed. It contrasted nicely with the black head and provided a great visual cue for alignment purposes.
Our favorite of the three stock Astral insert options was the carbon steel. This insert is decidedly the most “modern” of the three in the sense that it is very familiar sounding compared to other current milled putters. Impact produces a soft, low-pitched click that we enjoyed with a variety of golf balls.

Are three insert choices not enough for you? If not, Astral even releases limited edition face inserts throughout the year. We had the pleasure of trying a Damascus steel insert, and it was impossible not to fall in love. The softness, responsiveness, and amazing visuals from the Damascus steel made this a winner in every sense of the word.
Astral offers a full customization program with engraving and color finishes in almost any combination you can imagine. They also utilize their custom program to create limited edition putters throughout the year. A personal favorite of ours was released ahead of the Masters last month. Emblazoned in green and yellow, this Reserve Series Augusta Collection putters from Astral are true standouts.
The Performance – Astral Putters Review
Finally, we come to performance. This was a tricky category to judge Astral putters in – not because they didn’t perform, but because they can (and do) perform so differently with every change that is made.
We felt like it was our duty to build and test as many configurations as possible in the last couple months. First, it was fun, but we also wanted to know if these builds behaved like we expected them to.

So, we had great putting performances, and we had some days better off forgotten. Why? Simply stated, because fitting matters. For example, the flow neck with an upright setting we built produced amazing and repeatable success. A face balanced putter we built did what face balanced putters do. Unfortunately for us, face balanced putters don’t make many putts. The plumber’s neck build delivered ample toe hang and face closure through the stroke. You get the point, which really proves Atral’s entire point – if you take the time to really dive in, whether on your own or with their experts’ help, you can craft a putter that wants to deliver a square face over and over again.
The Details – Astral Putters Review

Base prices for all Astral Putters start at $500. That price can increase if you decide to order extra fitting components like hosels, lie angle adapters, or face inserts. Custom options and Reserve Series putters are obviously priced a bit higher to reflect the additional work put into the product.
We highly encourage you to visit Astral’s social media pages and website, astralputters.com. At the least, you might start to learn just what it is that makes a putter work for you. You might even come away designing your own.





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[QUOTE=”cmon man, post: 13336482, member: 68593″]
It could be just about anyone and whatever their type of stroke may be. It could even be one of us and we will never know unless we try. With 60 different positions and the systematic way or going through the process, there is great opportunity to learn something about how you putt. Maybe [USER=82993]@BC.Astral[/USER] can provide further illumination. Personally that setting and some similar are those I intend to try after getting through the different inserts.
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[USER=68593]@cmon man[/USER] hit the nail on the head here, as you really don’t know until you try it. We sometimes will reference stroke type, but that’s only because it’s a concept more golfers know. In reality we don’t really care much about stroke type. All we care about is where your face is consistently at at impact – and we make adjustments based on whether we need that face to close faster or stay open longer.
Likewise, we find that some golfers can fit into multiple different settings, and that’s because as you can play offset and toe hang off one another (they can either work together or be set up to counteract on another).
Welcome back Blake. 😎
[QUOTE=”PiratePenguin, post: 13343207, member: 2635″]
I followed the above instructions to test all the closest settings that might work for me based on the email.
Red A1 looked great but I kept pushing putts a bit
White A1 also looked great and seemed to take away the right miss almost immediately
Blue A1 was ok, but didn’t feel quite as accurate as White A1 did
Adding some offset by flipping them and going 1 click of offset back was ok, but I just really don’t like looking at much offset and I was having more misses with any of the hosels in B1, so I went back to White A1 (zero offset, lots of toe hang) and immediately felt like I was hitting my line again and finding the cup on my practice mat.
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So I’m going to leave it in White A1 for now and use that for some more practice the rest of this week and my round on Saturday. It’s a course I am familiar with and have plenty of stats from with my old putter, and they keep the greens in nice shape so it should be a good indicator of how I feel rolling it on an actual course vs the 14 foot mat in my garage. We’ve all had the experience of liking a putter on the mat at the store only to stand over it on a course and dislike it / find it really doesn’t fit you, I’m sure.
Rotating through all of those 6 settings took maybe 30 minutes – time for the changes and hitting putts. Swapping the hosel around is quite easy, especially after the first one. A couple of minutes tops, mostly from trying to be careful about the tiny screws, but the tool is magnetized so they stay on well – didn’t drop one at all.
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That amount of toe hang scares me very much ?
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That amount of toe hang scares me very much ?
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Last time I was on a SAM lab a few years ago it told me I needed around 45* of toe hang, which is what I’ve aimed for in recent putters. I went into this without checking as I made adjustments, just swap the hosel, hit some putts, see how they looked, felt, and reacted, repeat with next hosel. I didn’t check toe hang once until I was done and decided I liked this setting and wanted to start with it on course. That’s when I realized it was like 85* toe hang haha
Whatever works!
[QUOTE=”PiratePenguin, post: 13344929, member: 2635″]
Last time I was on a SAM lab a few years ago it told me I needed around 45* of toe hang, which is what I’ve aimed for in recent putters. I went into this without checking as I made adjustments, just swap the hosel, hit some putts, see how they looked, felt, and reacted, repeat with next hosel. I didn’t check toe hang once until I was done and decided I liked this setting and wanted to start with it on course. That’s when I realized it was like 85* toe hang haha
Whatever works!
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That’s seems to be the way to perform without any bias. Maybe I do like that setting, but if I would have seen that before I putted with it, it might have been in my head. I like the way you set it up!
[QUOTE=”PiratePenguin, post: 13344929, member: 2635″]
Last time I was on a SAM lab a few years ago it told me I needed around 45* of toe hang, which is what I’ve aimed for in recent putters. I went into this without checking as I made adjustments, just swap the hosel, hit some putts, see how they looked, felt, and reacted, repeat with next hosel. I didn’t check toe hang once until I was done and decided I liked this setting and wanted to start with it on course. That’s when I realized it was like 85* toe hang haha
Whatever works!
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That’s one of the coolest things about the astral system. You fit based on what is actually happening when you hit putts with that head. Having a theoretical starting point is nice but theory doesn’t actually start your putt on your line.
If you can’t find a setting that you can start the ball online with an astral I don’t think there is a putter in the world that can help you.
What @cmon man and @leftybob said is so true. If I had simply gone with what looked the best for me, I would still be pushing putts with zero offset. Having the ability to change settings and then ultimately fine tune it has led me to where I am today which happens to be white A2.
That’s the thing with this putter. The ability to try all these different configurations to see how it matches your stroke. There are a lot of tools out there for club selector, shafts, etc…but nothing can replace hitting the golf ball.
And the best part is if you land on a setting in the fitting and it doesn’t work out on the course you fine tune until you get the results you want.
Now that everyone is settling in with their putters here’s a question and a couple of related follow-ups for the group.
1. What is your favorite face insert?
1a. What makes it your favorite?
1b. Going into this what face insert did you expect to be your favorite?
[QUOTE=”DufferToo, post: 13345588, member: 10059″]
Now that everyone is settling in with their putters here’s a question and a couple of related follow-ups for the group.
1. What is your favorite face insert?
1a. What makes it your favorite?
1b. Going into this what face insert did you expect to be your favorite?
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I only have the brass. I don’t remember how Blake and I ended up on this one during the consultation but it’s the only insert I have.
But to answer 1a. I’ll tell you what I like about it.
I really love how it looks. The matte gold finish looks outstanding married to the black putter head.
The sound is what I would expect from a putter. I can’t tell much difference from my previous putter. If it is different, it’s not enough that I noticed it. There is feedback on a miss hit with a little more muted sound. I did not have that on previous putter.
It feels solid and it gets the ball rolling quickly. I don’t notice much skipping or hopping at home on the putting mat or on the course during the two rounds I’ve played with it.
I am not quite finished yet but am leaning to the copper insert. I like the feel of all three, but the copper seems slightly better. I also like less audio feedback, and I really like the visual appeal/contrast of the copper insert. Going into the review process I thought I would like the steel insert best and it is still in the running. Bronze has a bit less feel for me personnaly but all three are excellent.
I decided to tinker with putter settings today and put the blue hosel in at zero offset (It was a close second to the white on initial trials). I also have a 31″ shaft installed as opposed to the 33″ I started with. Interestingly I started pulling a bit more with the blue and it didn’t look right to my eye when lining up. In a few easy minutes I went back to the zero offset white hosel and back to a setting suitable to my eye and everything rolling stright down the line again. More to report from my round this afternoon.
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Now that everyone is settling in with their putters here’s a question and a couple of related follow-ups for the group.
1. What is your favorite face insert?
1a. What makes it your favorite?
1b. Going into this what face insert did you expect to be your favorite?
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So far I have played 1 round with copper, practiced and tested with the brass and steel. Currently I have the steel insert installed as it is the most appealing to me visually and so far I haven’t tested enough to determine if I prefer it or not.
Will know more this weekend….
[QUOTE=”DufferToo, post: 13345588, member: 10059″]
Now that everyone is settling in with their putters here’s a question and a couple of related follow-ups for the group.
1. What is your favorite face insert?
1a. What makes it your favorite?
1b. Going into this what face insert did you expect to be your favorite?
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Too early to say what my favorite is. I have played with the copper and steel so far and both have different positives.
For my round tomorrow the brass is getting its first shot in the blade. I hit a few putts with a brass insert in the mid mallet during my first fitting when choosing the head.
Going in I expected the copper to be my favorite.
Just finished my round with the 31″ shaft and steel insert. Good results and putts online. The feel of the steel was close but as favorable as the copper overall. A bit more audio feedback with the steel too. Tried several balls and I prefer the copper. However, the steel is great with my preferred ProVIs. Going to concentrate now on only a couple of ball types and settle on an insert…copper is king with the Winn NTP grip but the steel looks so damned good with the silver and white Sure Shot. Stay tuned but performance will rule.
The copper face is effing gorgeous outside. ?
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Really satisfying low pitched “tock” sound at impact. (Sounds lower and better outdoors than in my garage.)
I’d call the first round a success. Hit my lines and speed was really good. Left one really long chutt from the fringe about 12” short on 8 but rolled in par from there perfectly. Lipped out a 25” Bertie pot attempt on one hole; left Birdies short in the heart on 17 and 18. Any I missed were wrong reads. Made pretty much everything inside 6 ft.
Before any post round editing the ShotScope app has me just barely below a 5 hdcp SG Putting for the round. I’ll take that any day.
Haven’t felt so comfortable over a putter in a while.
Got in a round this morning. Probably my worst round in months. Did not strike the ball well. Was missing both ways off the tee. Only thing that was not a disaster was putting.
Lots of two putts with most of the second putts just cleaning it up.
The ball was starting on line all day. I think I’m gonna like the Red A3 setting. I feel confident the ball is going to go where I want it to. It’s nice having that confidence and just making the putting stroke without thinking. Still loving the brass insert as well. It feels so solid when striking the ball. I like that feedback over a softer face or insert.
[QUOTE=”cringjr, post: 13345597, member: 70243″]
I only have the brass. I don’t remember how Blake and I ended up on this one during the consultation but it’s the only insert I have.
But to answer 1a. I’ll tell you what I like about it.
I really love how it looks. The matte gold finish looks outstanding married to the black putter head.
The sound is what I would expect from a putter. I can’t tell much difference from my previous putter. If it is different, it’s not enough that I noticed it. There is feedback on a miss hit with a little more muted sound. I did not have that on previous putter.
It feels solid and it gets the ball rolling quickly. I don’t notice much skipping or hopping at home on the putting mat or on the course during the two rounds I’ve played with it.
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Sorry I missed this! You were supposed to receive all 3. I’ll get that remedied tomorrow!!!
Got out to the practice green with the steel insert today. It definitely has a louder click that you can feel versus the copper. Next up, I’ll test the brass insert.
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Got in a round this morning. Probably my worst round in months. Did not strike the ball well. Was missing both ways off the tee. Only thing that was not a disaster was putting.
Lots of two putts with most of the second putts just cleaning it up.
The ball was starting on line all day. I think I’m gonna like the Red A3 setting. I feel confident the ball is going to go where I want it to. It’s nice having that confidence and just making the putting stroke without thinking. Still loving the brass insert as well. It feels so solid when striking the ball. I like that feedback over a softer face or insert.
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It was cool to see the putter in person. I really liked the feel of the brass face. Firm, without feeling hard. And the offset setting you had it in setup very nice.
Heading out for another round today. I will bring all inserts and change them during the round. I will try to get some photos or video during the round.
Tests of the steel and copper insert today. And a few photos attached. Also two vids of the sound of stwel and copper. In the vids it seems steel is quieter but not significantly so. I really like the feel of the copper better and my putting results reflected that preference. Is it in my head? Probably, but your head is an integral part of the equation. Going to focus on putter length for the next few sessions. The only other variable besides length is grip. Getting used to the Sure Shot but also like the Winn NTP.
Thanks to [USER=82993]@BC.Astral[/USER], Astral Putters, and this review process (thanks THP!) I have learned a ton about putter setup and more importantly, my putting stroke. I even found out my casual swipe at a short two footer works differently with my old putter than my Astral.
[QUOTE=”cmon man, post: 13348968, member: 68593″]
Tests of the steel and copper insert today. And a few photos attached. Also two vids of the sound of stwel and copper. In the vids it seems steel is quieter but not significantly so. I really like the feel of the copper better and my putting results reflected that preference. Is it in my head? Probably, but your head is an integral part of the equation. Going to focus on putter length for the next few sessions. The only other variable besides length is grip. Getting used to the Sure Shot but also like the Winn NTP.
Thanks to [USER=82993]@BC.Astral[/USER], Astral Putters, and this review process (thanks THP!) I have learned a ton about putter setup and more importantly, my putting stroke. I even found out my casual swipe at a short two footer works differently with my old putter than my Astral.
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Any chance of making the photos full image and not thumbnails?
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Any chance of making the photos full image and not thumbnails?
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Sorry…will do now.
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A couple of comments I left out of my previous post. First is once I get dialed on I can’t wait to play around with some “wild” setups, like 180 degrees from my zero offest. More importantly, with what I have now as my setup, I KNOW that if I put a good stroke on the ball it is going exactly on the line I intend. If I have the right read and speed it’s going in from any reasonable distance. I am now making 7′ to 15′ foot putts with regularity and confidence if (a big if granted) I do have the speed and read.
Today’s round was not as good, but I don’t blame the putter at all. This one was all me and my eyes and my struggle to see breaks these days. (Don’t have LASIK, kids. Just kidding. It’s great everywhere but the greens.)
The course today is a tricky one where the greens are the main defense and there are almost zero flat spots and since it was a tournament I guess they wanted to putt most of the pins on mounds and ridges that were of questionable sanity, but it is what it is. I missed multiple 3-5 footers because I couldn’t see the break and didn’t give it enough or else those got in my head and I “saw” more break than was actually there and missed high. I would much rather putt from long distance, where I felt much more comfortable and the breakdown by distance shows it. Pretty close to where I want to be (5 HDCP range) with the longer putts, but the <10 ft range was mostly those missed short ones.
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38 total putts, but 19 of those were in the first 7 holes, including a 4 putt from around 40 ft where the third putt was dead on line but left it a few inches short… from like 5 feet. Five 3 putt holes overall. ?
I can truly say only one miss was due to the putter – [I]but only because of my stroke, not the putter itself[/I]. Now that I have a putter with so much toe hang, I’ve got to trust the arc on the backstroke even on the short ones so the toe can close back down to square – if I don’t it will be a closed face at impact and I absolutely did that on a short one on one of our last holes. I had put a 41 ft first putt close but then choked on the short clean up, didn’t open the face on the backswing and stabbed at it and lipped it out on the left. All me. The putter did exactly what it was supposed to do. I think I could get away with those some on my old putter.
I did roll in a perfect 26 foot Bertie Pot on one hole with about 2 ft of break over the final 6 ft or so. Had a lot of other mid to long putts where I hit my line and had good speed. I just couldn’t make the short ones today.
The putter itself still looks and feels great. The way the blue finish changes color depending on the lighting is still kind of wild – everything from a deep marine blue, to a steely blueish almost teal, to a bright blue. It is really unique. Makes it special.
Looking at my shot scope stats for my round on Saturday. I’m a 19 HC trying to get to 15. I had 2.3 strokes gained on a 15 HC in the putting category.
Rolled some putts on the mat tonight. Getting to where I trust the putting stroke and let the putter do the work. You still have to make a good stroke. The putter is not gonna do it all for you, but once you get to a setting you like, it just feels natural.
Looking forward to testing cooper and steel inserts. Not sure they will beat out the brass. I love how solid it feels. Ball comes off the insert clean and gets rolling end over end quick.
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Looking at my shot scope stats for my round on Saturday. I’m a 19 HC trying to get to 15. I had 2.3 strokes gained on a 15 HC in the putting category.
Rolled some putts on the mat tonight. Getting to where I trust the putting stroke and let the putter do the work. You still have to make a good stroke. The putter is not gonna do it all for you, but once you get to a setting you like, it just feels natural.
Looking forward to testing cooper and steel inserts. Not sure they will beat out the brass. I love how solid it feels. Ball comes off the insert clean and gets rolling end over end quick.
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Sounds like you are heading to the same trust that I have found…awesome! I have been negligent in praising the brass insert as well. The differences are pretty minor IMO and all perform great. It came down to feel to me and copper has the edge personally. With every insert I have noticed the ball rolls much truer and smoother. I attribute this mainly due to the ease and consistency in squaring the face at impact. Would love to hear from other testers, [USER=82993]@BC.Astral[/USER] and [USER=1579]@Jman[/USER] .
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Sounds like you are heading to the same trust that I have found…awesome! I have been negligent in praising the brass insert as well. The differences are pretty minor IMO and all perform great. It came down to feel to me and copper has the edge personally. With every insert I have noticed the ball rolls much truer and smoother. I attribute this mainly due to the ease and consistency in squaring the face at impact. Would love to hear from other testers, [USER=82993]@BC.Astral[/USER] and [USER=1579]@Jman[/USER]
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Your observation on ball roll is something we see across the board. In fact, we’ve got the club with a pro golfer that specifically sought us out after trying his friend’s putter. According to him, the putter rolls better than anything he’s seen, and that includes his personal gold standard of his Yes putters. Hopefully he starts gaming it soon and I can drop an announcement.
I can’t go into all the science behind it as it’s a trade secret, but what i can share is that we create loft on our putters by using a series of perpendicular step downs or as we call it, our flat face mill pattern. This does two important things. First, the flat face profile exerts more of a perpendicular force as opposed to a lofted force, so I like to think that our 3 degree loft plays closer to 2-2.5 degrees loft. Second, the step-downs create important grooves that impart top spin as you stroke through the ball. The net effect is a ball that pushes forward (as opposed to launching) and starts rolling immediately.
Interesting to see the Toulon Formula Series write up today. Three putters in the series, each with their own toe hang and torque profile to give golfers more options to fit their stroke.
I’m making assumptions here, but based off my tinkering, the Astral can achieve each of the profiles 0, -45, -90 (toe up) by adjusting the hosel, and can probably achieve more positions in between.
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Your observation on ball roll is something we see across the board. In fact, we’ve got the club with a pro golfer that specifically sought us out after trying his friend’s putter. According to him, the putter rolls better than anything he’s seen, and that includes his personal gold standard of his Yes putters. Hopefully he starts gaming it soon and I can drop an announcement.
I can’t go into all the science behind it as it’s a trade secret, but what i can share is that we create loft on our putters by using a series of perpendicular step downs or as we call it, our flat face mill pattern. This does two important things. First, the flat face profile exerts more of a perpendicular force as opposed to a lofted force, so I like to think that our 3 degree loft plays closer to 2-2.5 degrees loft. Second, the step-downs create important grooves that impart top spin as you stroke through the ball. The net effect is a ball that pushes forward (as opposed to launching) and starts rolling immediately.
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Thanks Blake. This is great insight. If it works so well for someone at my level imagine what it will do in the hands of a pro!
I have been very pleased with the roll the Astral (copper) puts on the ball. I’ve seen no skipping or bouncing, even on mid-summer Bermuda greens around here.
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Your observation on ball roll is something we see across the board. In fact, we’ve got the club with a pro golfer that specifically sought us out after trying his friend’s putter. According to him, the putter rolls better than anything he’s seen, and that includes his personal gold standard of his Yes putters. Hopefully he starts gaming it soon and I can drop an announcement.
I can’t go into all the science behind it as it’s a trade secret, but what i can share is that we create loft on our putters by using a series of perpendicular step downs or as we call it, our flat face mill pattern. This does two important things. First, the flat face profile exerts more of a perpendicular force as opposed to a lofted force, so I like to think that our 3 degree loft plays closer to 2-2.5 degrees loft. Second, the step-downs create important grooves that impart top spin as you stroke through the ball. The net effect is a ball that pushes forward (as opposed to launching) and starts rolling immediately.
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Thanks for the explanation, something ive been curious about since the initial article came out.
Very interesting – thanks for the insight!
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Over the weekend I had the brass insert in for my Saturday morning round. Based on the front 9 the brass might be the front runner. The back 9 everything was starting to fall apart because it was hot, I was walking and I forgot to grab a Gatorade before the round and ran out of things to drink on hole 11 and didn’t pass a water cooler until the 16th tee. I did manage to birdie 18 draining an 8 foot putt.
Back to the brass insert. Overall my speed was better than it has been with the copper or steel. On longer putts I’m trying to die it around the hole. Part of that is the theory that if you don’t hit the hole and make the putt it you should see about half of your putts go past the hole and be short. With the brass I was seeing more putts get past the hole than with the other 2 inserts. My front 9 had a lot of tap in pars.
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Over the weekend I had the brass insert in for my Saturday morning round. Based on the front 9 the brass might be the front runner. The back 9 everything was starting to fall apart because it was hot, I was walking and I forgot to grab a Gatorade before the round and ran out of things to drink on hole 11 and didn’t pass a water cooler until the 16th tee. I did manage to birdie 18 draining an 8 foot putt.
Back to the brass insert. Overall my speed was better than it has been with the copper or steel. On longer putts I’m trying to die it around the hole. Part of that is the theory that if you don’t hit the hole and make the putt it you should see about half of your putts go past the hole and be short. With the brass I was seeing more putts get past the hole than with the other 2 inserts. My front 9 had a lot of tap in pars.
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I do like the fact that we can swap out the inserts. Basically like having 3 putters in 1 and we are only talking inserts.
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I do like the fact that we can swap out the inserts. Basically like having 3 putters in 1 and we are only talking inserts.
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I am still wondering how the inserts react to different temperatures. Is say a 50 degree range (50 to 100 F) enough to make a noticeable different?
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I am still wondering how the inserts react to different temperatures. Is say a 50 degree range (50 to 100 F) enough to make a noticeable different?
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Great point. I didn’t think of that. Just like how balls change with temperature.
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I am still wondering how the inserts react to different temperatures. Is say a 50 degree range (50 to 100 F) enough to make a noticeable different?
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I was having a similar thought. I could see a potential benefit to switching inserts depending on the weather. Brass when it’s hot & copper when cooler.
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I know there is a different sound/feel between the steel, brass and copper inserts. Do you see any difference in how the ball reacts to each? Does one get the ball rolling faster than the others? Is distance control more difficult with one over the other?
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I know there is a different sound/feel between the steel, brass and copper inserts. Do you see any difference in how the ball reacts to each? Does one get the ball rolling faster than the others? Is distance control more difficult with one over the other?
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I haven’t tested the Brass insert enough to say for sure but it “seems” like the ball comes off the face of the steel insert a little quicker than the Copper and quite possibly the Brass as well. Almost like it jumps off the face….not a lot, but noticeable.
Brass insert going in after my round today (with the steel) and then I will know more.
Don’t really have any insights on change in face insert based temperature other than perceived hardening of the ball/feel as it gets cooler. Hadn’t really considered it as a separate variable until now.
All metals shrink and expand based on temperature, but they tend to move pretty much in concert. We did learn we had to mill everything in a temperature controlled environment to ensure all the connections work, but that’s honestly where my mind stopped chasing the thread. Something to look into for sure!
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I haven’t tested the Brass insert enough to say for sure but it “seems” like the ball comes off the face of the steel insert a little quicker than the Copper and quite possibly the Brass as well. Almost like it jumps off the face….not a lot, but noticeable.
Brass insert going in after my round today (with the steel) and then I will know more.
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Same. I’ve tested the steel and copper mostly as I didn’t think I’d love brass at the onset, but I did notice all of them came off the face a little hotter than my odyssey insert putter. I played slow greens yesterday with the copper and had to be pretty firm with it, so I’d like to see if I can figure out a way to accurately test the speed differences for each and know if one will be better for faster/slower greens than the others.
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The copper face is effing gorgeous outside. ?
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Really satisfying low pitched “tock” sound at impact. (Sounds lower and better outdoors than in my garage.)
I’d call the first round a success. Hit my lines and speed was really good. Left one really long chutt from the fringe about 12” short on 8 but rolled in par from there perfectly. Lipped out a 25” Bertie pot attempt on one hole; left Birdies short in the heart on 17 and 18. Any I missed were wrong reads. Made pretty much everything inside 6 ft.
Before any post round editing the ShotScope app has me just barely below a 5 hdcp SG Putting for the round. I’ll take that any day.
Haven’t felt so comfortable over a putter in a while.
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Every time you post a picture of that beauty, it makes me happy
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Every time you post a picture of that beauty, it makes me happy
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You should see it IRL. It’s a beautiful chameleon.
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I know there is a different sound/feel between the steel, brass and copper inserts. Do you see any difference in how the ball reacts to each? Does one get the ball rolling faster than the others? Is distance control more difficult with one over the other?
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I think the differences are very minor and it’s all about how the inserts feel to the individual. Ball roll seemed to be consistent among all three inserts. I have experienced not a single hop, skip or jump on any of the three (other than the normal turf or debris influences). In terms of distance control I don’t think difficulty is a word I would use, but it did seem that the steel insert required a big more force/backswing on some longer putts. I don’t have real data to back that up however. It may just be the comfort factor I have with the copper and oddly enough, the bronze. To stress again, all three are great performance wise and it is really down to personal preference or even looks.
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Don’t really have any insights on change in face insert based temperature other than perceived hardening of the ball/feel as it gets cooler. Hadn’t really considered it as a separate variable until now.
All metals shrink and expand based on temperature, but they tend to move pretty much in concert. We did learn we had to mill everything in a temperature controlled environment to ensure all the connections work, but that’s honestly where my mind stopped chasing the thread. Something to look into for sure!
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Thanks again for the response Blake. Any comments about of different perceptions on ball reactions to the various inserts? Also any discussion of the alloys (keeping trade secrets proprietary of course) in the three inserts?