Earlier this year, we introduced you to Astral Putters, a company that is approaching putter design like nobody else. If you haven’t read our brand story on Astral, we highly encourage you to do so before going any further. The company’s journey from dream to reality is a compelling example of the power of the entrepreneurial spirit. Today, we dive into Astral Putters themselves. From the components to the fitting approach, we’ll cover it all.
The Astral Story
We aren’t going to rehash Astral’s entire brand story here since we covered it so thoroughly in the article linked above. However, if you’ve already read that it’s worth a quick summary.

Astral’s founder, Blake Callaway, was formerly an attorney with a passion for putter refinishing. Through all his experience working with putters and experimenting on the putting green he came to realize that fitting options available from mass-market equipment manufacturers were not meeting his needs. While he was able to go to the golf store and try dozens of different options, most of these options fit inside a very narrow window and didn’t offer the customization needed for him to maximize his performance.
Blake came to believe that toe hang and shaft offset were the two primary factors in delivering a repeatable square face at impact. However, the particular combination of those two factors that worked best for him, slight toe-hang and minimal offset, was almost impossible to find.
Thus, the idea behind Astral Putters was born; highly customizable putters built from components and a fitting system that allows each person to precisely dial in a putter to their individual stroke. Through consultation with the company’s experts, consumers can put together a putter that not only matches their needs but can be adjusted in the future if anything changes.
The Heads – Astral Putters
We’ll dive into Astra’s fitting system in a moment, but we have to start with the part that most of us look at before anything else – the putter head. Astral offers three different choices, and each one can be dialed in. In other words, consumers can pick the head they desire without any strings attached. Yes, since they are shaped differently, they will offer varying levels of stability and MOI, but the moment of truth (impact) will be the same.

The Blade is the most traditional of the three Astral offerings. This slim and compact head is a classic for a reason. It’s nimble, responsive, and gives the golfer the most opportunity to control the club head through the stroke. Astral’s blade features a moderate toe-to-heel length, square lines, and rounded bumpers that step down from the top line into the flange.
The Mid-Mallet is better known by golfers as a “double-wide blade”. It’s shorter than the Blade from heel to toe and is deeper from face to tail. This design will provide a bit more MOI (resistance to twisting) and a more modern looking option that should be popular with a wide variety of golfers.
The Mallet is a shape unique to Astral and is our favorite of the three. It’s a take on the fanged mallet we’ve all come to love but has its own unique look to set it apart. In some ways it almost reminds us of Batman, with the edges of the flange diagonally reaching out from the center to the tips of the fangs. As far as mallets go, we consider it to be on the smaller side. It’s relatively compact, but you still get the stability benefits this design typically offers.
The System – Astral Putters

The centerpiece of the Astral fitting system is the hosel. There are three “Z” shaped hosels of different lengths to choose from, and each one produces a different starting point when it comes to how much toe hang is available. The shortest encourages the most toe hang, the longest works best for face-balanced configurations, and the middle length bridges the gap with its versatility.

That’s not all though. These hosels can be oriented in any way the user wants in a 360 degree circle, producing wildly different results. What do we mean? Look close at the end of the hosel in the picture below. See the notches? Each one represents a clock position and there are 10 of them to choose from. Better yet – each hosel is reversible and the other end has another 10 notches to offer 10 more clock positions. Having a hard time imagining this? Let’s look at the picture of the three heads below, each with the hosel in a different place.

The Blade (far left) shows something similar to the type of offset we’d see with a plumber’s neck hosel. The Mid-Mallet in the center shows no offset at all. Finally, the Mallet shows a configuration similar to a flow neck hosel. All three of these settings are fairly common in production putters, but there are some wildly unique choices available. Want to try some onset? How about approximating a Zero Torque putters? You can do it with Astral. Better yet, you use the different hosel lengths to balance your desired amount of toe hang with the offset look you prefer at address. The options are almost limitless.
Fitting
It’s easy to see that there’s a level of complexity to the Astral fitting system. The execution is quite easy though. Each component attaches with a screw that tightly secures it. In fact, you’d be hard pressed to know that these putters are combinations of components when they are fully assembled. The company takes great pride in the tight tolerances they are able to produce.

Where to start though?
First, if you’re not a devout putter nerd that knows exactly what works for you, we highly recommend taking the path of least resistance. Reach out to the company. You can meet with their experts at no additional cost, and they will guide you to the right fit via email and eventually a video conference. They will discuss your aesthetic preferences and common misses in pre-consultation. Once you have their putter in hand, they’ll watch you take putts and guide you through the necessary adjustments to really dial things in.

What fun is that though?
We’re joking of course, but the fact remains that there is a group of us out there that has both the knowledge and desire to tinker, and Astral is the tinkerer’s dream come true. For those of you like us, we still suggest reaching out to the company to talk options, but from there we’ll point you to their fitting page. There you will find a full explanation and diagrams of the Astral system, along with a number of suggested starting points to build common putter configurations.
Throughout the review process we built flow necks, plumber’s necks, face-balanced putters, a zero-torque style design, and some we aren’t even sure have a name yet. The process takes a few minutes at most and is incredibly gratifying, as you can almost instantly see the results from your changes. As adventurous as we were, we still found that the old-fashioned flow neck worked best for us. Old habits are hard to break.

Of course, putter fitting has considerations other than offset and toe-hang. Length and lie angle are vitally important as well. Astral provides guidance on both of these things, and their method of choosing a lie angle was particularly helpful at home. As you likely know, lie angle impacts how upright or flat the putter and the shaft come up from the ground. Most companies default to 70 degrees. Improper lie angle can trick you into standing too far from or too close to the ball. It can force changes in your setup that negatively impact your natural stroke.
In addition, we learned that our desired lie angle could even change with the style of putter we were using! For example, the flow neck design by nature tricks the eyes into wanting to stand further from the ball. By adjusting it more upright with one of the five spuds Astral offers we were able to achieve a comfortable setup with our preferred head shape in seconds. This alone was worth the price of admission – a true “lightbulb” moment.
The Options and Customization
It seems crazy to say that there are even more ways to customize and dial in an Astral Putter, but there are. The company truly wants their product to be something that will last you a lifetime, and they’ve found ways to future-proof their putters.

First, as part of the fitting and building process, there are both shaft and grip options to pick from. The black KBS CT Tour shaft is available in a no-step or single step option. In addition, there are five grips available from Winn and SuperStroke.
Our favorite piece of customization is on the putter head itself. Astral’s component design goes even deeper than fitting choices. It allows you to swap the face insert and radically alter how the putter sounds and feels. Three base options are available: brass, copper, and carbon steel. Each one is much thicker than the inserts we typically seen on production putters and has unique properties that makes it stand out from the others.

Astral describes the brass as “crisp”, which is another way of saying it’s the firmest feeling insert they offer. Make no mistake – you will notice the firmness and high-pitched “ting” sound of the brass insert right away. There is a small group of enthusiasts out there that love the brass feel, and Astral delivers is nicely with this option.
The copper insert is described as the softest of the three, which proved to be true in terms of tactile feedback. This soft metal is undoubtedly much smoother than brass, though it does still carry with it a slightly higher pitched sound at impact. One thing we loved about the copper insert was its smooth, uniform look when installed. It contrasted nicely with the black head and provided a great visual cue for alignment purposes.
Our favorite of the three stock Astral insert options was the carbon steel. This insert is decidedly the most “modern” of the three in the sense that it is very familiar sounding compared to other current milled putters. Impact produces a soft, low-pitched click that we enjoyed with a variety of golf balls.

Are three insert choices not enough for you? If not, Astral even releases limited edition face inserts throughout the year. We had the pleasure of trying a Damascus steel insert, and it was impossible not to fall in love. The softness, responsiveness, and amazing visuals from the Damascus steel made this a winner in every sense of the word.
Astral offers a full customization program with engraving and color finishes in almost any combination you can imagine. They also utilize their custom program to create limited edition putters throughout the year. A personal favorite of ours was released ahead of the Masters last month. Emblazoned in green and yellow, this Reserve Series Augusta Collection putters from Astral are true standouts.
The Performance – Astral Putters Review
Finally, we come to performance. This was a tricky category to judge Astral putters in – not because they didn’t perform, but because they can (and do) perform so differently with every change that is made.
We felt like it was our duty to build and test as many configurations as possible in the last couple months. First, it was fun, but we also wanted to know if these builds behaved like we expected them to.

So, we had great putting performances, and we had some days better off forgotten. Why? Simply stated, because fitting matters. For example, the flow neck with an upright setting we built produced amazing and repeatable success. A face balanced putter we built did what face balanced putters do. Unfortunately for us, face balanced putters don’t make many putts. The plumber’s neck build delivered ample toe hang and face closure through the stroke. You get the point, which really proves Atral’s entire point – if you take the time to really dive in, whether on your own or with their experts’ help, you can craft a putter that wants to deliver a square face over and over again.
The Details – Astral Putters Review

Base prices for all Astral Putters start at $500. That price can increase if you decide to order extra fitting components like hosels, lie angle adapters, or face inserts. Custom options and Reserve Series putters are obviously priced a bit higher to reflect the additional work put into the product.
We highly encourage you to visit Astral’s social media pages and website, astralputters.com. At the least, you might start to learn just what it is that makes a putter work for you. You might even come away designing your own.





[QUOTE=”cmon man, post: 13353233, member: 68593″]
I think the differences are very minor and it’s all about how the inserts feel to the individual. Ball roll seemed to be consistent among all three inserts. I have experienced not a single hop, skip or jump on any of the three (other than the normal turf or debris influences). In terms of distance control I don’t think difficulty is a word I would use, but it did seem that the steel insert required a big more force/backswing on some longer putts. I don’t have real data to back that up however. It may just be the comfort factor I have with the copper and oddly enough, the bronze. To stress again, all three are great performance wise and it is really down to personal preference or even looks.
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If I understood what [USER=82993]@BC.Astral[/USER] said during the mallet fitting correctly the brass and copper are milled identically. Steel is lighter than the other two metals and to get the weight correct the steel is thicker across the entire face. Across the face the steel has a much more consistent sound. Heel or toe strikes on the other two the sound is significantly more muted.
[QUOTE=”cmon man, post: 13353243, member: 68593″]
Thanks again for the response Blake. Any comments about of different perceptions on ball reactions to the various inserts? Also any discussion of the alloys (keeping trade secrets proprietary of course) in the three inserts?
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What everyone is reporting here is what I would say about the three inserts – which is that they are all different, but not hugely different. We rate the copper as being the softest, brass the middle option, and steel is the hardest option. From our in-house testing, that hardness correlates with energy transfer and runout distance. Now in reality, we are talking only a couple feet difference over let’s say a 20 foot lag. So while steel is harder than our copper, our steel is still quite a bit softer the average milled putter on the market today.
The big difference between the 3 faces comes down to feel, feedback, and appearance. I feel pretty confident in saying just about anyone would like any of the 3 faces if tested in isolation, but it’s wild just how quickly people develop strong preferences once they get the option to try 2 or more side by side.
Each of the metals was selected for specific characteristics and that shows up in the feel profile. Copper is a really soft metal and has conductivity features that make the physical feedback really clear. My personal sensation is that I get a really satisfying “thud” impact and then the putter almost hums back to me through the hands to tell me about the quality of the stroke. Brass is only marginally harder, but it’s the higher pitch “ting” that distinguishes it. Audio recordings don’t capture it, but man you can hear it in a different way when the club is in your hand. I love it and it’s my gamer most of the time, but it is the most polarizing of the bunch for sure. Because of the really affirmative audio and physical feedback, a lot of people perceive the brass as being the hardest option. Carbon steel, while the hardest option, is still an amazingly soft feeling face. It’s got a nice “click” at impact and as [USER=77429]@leftybob[/USER] noted the feel is more consistent across the face.
[USER=77429]@leftybob[/USER] did an amazing job remembering and explaining how and why the steel face is actually a different design, so take a look above for that background and his thoughts.
Spent more time on the putting mat last night. The one thing that really stands out to me with this putter is how quickly the ball gets rolling end over end. Good roll weather strike is center face, out on toe or in on the heel side.
Thanks Blake! Awesome description and I have found the the same regarding very slight differences and loving them the inserts. I also love that "feel feedback" from the copper. That and the look are what make it number one but by the slimmest margin.
More on the topic of inserts….
I started with the copper insert because based on the questions asked during the fitting, we felt (no pun intended) that the copper would be the one for me.
I played a round with the copper, swapped to the steel insert and played 18 yesterday with it. Next time out will be this Friday and it will be with the brass insert.
Based on what has been stated so far and what I’ve experienced in my tests, I’ll probably end up with the copper insert as my gamer. I do have an idea that I talked to Blake about that I may try as well. 😎
Hey THP! Some follow ups from me after a couple putting sessions, a fitting consult with Ryan Kelly, and one on course round (I’ll break this into 2 separate posts):
[B]Practice Session:[/B]
I started with the hosel in the position it was sent to me in, which closely mirrored my Odyssey Versa 1W double bend shaft as far as the amount of toe hang, and the copper face as I wanted to start with the softest option. I’ll call out that in my fitting, Ryan was clear that Astral doesn’t necessarily prescribe to “feel like a slant neck, double bend, plumber’s neck, etc” and rather is exclusively using their proprietary system to deliver you putts that start on line as well as a look and feel through the stroke that suits your preferences. Nonetheless, I did ask them to send it to me as close to my current putter as possible and it was damn close. But I really appreciate their approach and it aligns 100% with the way I fit people for putters.
I started by hitting 15 foot putts, 3 of each with the Astral and 3 with the Odyssey. I then went inside 5 feet and then hit some long lag putts. Initially, the feel was jarring as it was considerably firmer than what I’m used to, as well as the head size being a bit smaller heel to toe. The more putts I hit, the more I started to fall in love. Balls were coming off with a crisp but muted click sound, and starting very on line.
I then switched to the steel face and did the same thing, this time focusing on the distance control. I found both the copper and steel to produce very consistent distance on center and toe side strikes. The one thing I did find was that putts hit low on the face lost A LOT of steam. It’s a rare miss for me, but if you are someone who catches putts low, I think it’s important to know.
I also compared to a Bettinardi BB28SB which is fairly similar to my other putters, and I would say the feel off the copper was closer to that. So don’t expect insert level softness on any of these faces. They are all medium to firm in my opinion, but the sound is great. Reminds me of those really old Ping’s that actually generated a faint overtone.
Overall-after the first long session I was quite impressed and was excited to learn more, mess with the settings a bit, and play a round. I honestly felt comfortable really quick with this putter and wasn’t hesitating to put it in play at all.
[B]Fitting Consult w/ Ryan Kelly:[/B]
First of all, Ryan and I just chatted Astral, his role, putters in general, and got to know each other a bit. My goal was to just get a better understanding of how to use the fitting system and continue my testing. I’m fairly knowledgeable about putter fitting, especially the basics on lie, loft, grip, length, stroke arc, etc. so I was looking for any of that. Ryan delivered. He walked me through each component, we took the putter apart and put it back together a few times, and discussed what other settings I might want to try. He then also shared some wild/extreme settings that he thinks are fun to try and actually end up getting used occasionally (think massive onset/offset)
After our conversation, I put together a few of the configurations, and landed on position B1 (painted side down) in the White Hosel. It ended up giving me something of a lie angle balanced setup (though Ryan says they can’t actually achieve lie angle balance, but rather provides a similar result in some of the settings)
This setting looks a little strange at first, as there is a scosche of onset, but I just air swung it a few times and I knew it was going to be the right one. I did take it out to a practice green and hit a couple dozen putts and I was blown away. Center face hits and slightly toe side hits, every one was coming off exactly on line. I then lined up balls using the line on the ball and the pureness of the roll was off the charts. I think this setting also helped from a loft perspective over the original way I had it set up as I no longer had balls jumping occasionally like the first session.
([I]more to come in post 2 shortly for the on course round)[/I]
[QUOTE=”PiratePenguin, post: 13346859, member: 2635″]
The copper face is effing gorgeous outside. ?
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Really satisfying low pitched “tock” sound at impact. (Sounds lower and better outdoors than in my garage.)
I’d call the first round a success. Hit my lines and speed was really good. Left one really long chutt from the fringe about 12” short on 8 but rolled in par from there perfectly. Lipped out a 25” Bertie pot attempt on one hole; left Birdies short in the heart on 17 and 18. Any I missed were wrong reads. Made pretty much everything inside 6 ft.
Before any post round editing the ShotScope app has me just barely below a 5 hdcp SG Putting for the round. I’ll take that any day.
Haven’t felt so comfortable over a putter in a while.
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Love the copper+blue.
Decided to tinker tonight. Rolled out the putting mat and putted while the wife was watching TV. Her immediate comment was “you love to tinker with a gadget”. And she’s right. That is one of the big reasons I was interested in testing the Astral putter.
In some other threads there was a lot of talk about ZT putters so I decided to recreate some of the face positions and see the impact to my putting. The blue hosel is the most face balanced so I started there. I could recreate a toe up condition, an almost -45 position and a close to face balanced. I struggled with all of these with both push and pull misses.
Next I moved to try the blue and white in the A5, 6 and 7 positions. These all have a lot of toe hang. The hosel extends rearward behind the heel. I did not like the look or feel of any of these positions.
I’m back at red B2. I think I’ve confirmed this is the best setting for me. A little toe hang with a decent amount of offset has produced the best results so far.
The ability to basically try a “new” putter without buying a new putter is such a cool concept.
Played Wine and 9 at Chambers Bay tonight. Putting was my strong suit thanks to my Astral. Making more long putts and laeving misses closer. I do need to adjust my “Texas wedge” shots as the ball rolls off the putter at impact rather than jumping off. I see this as another long term plus.
I did show it to the three pros that were working this evening. None of them have heard of Astral (Chambers is a TM shop) but all loved the look and feel and the adjustability after I explained. It was pretty cool to blow their minds a bit when they commented on my setup, and then told them there were 60 settings 360 degrees around. I am loving this putter more every day and putting way better. Is it because of confidence? Hell yes. But where does this confidence come from? It’s the Astral product no doubt. Anyone getting a putter fitting needs to give the Astral a try.
I should be getting the steel and copper inserts in the mail today. Looking forward to trying them out.
[QUOTE=”cringjr, post: 13359646, member: 70243″]
I should be getting the steel and copper inserts in the mail today. Looking forward to trying them out.
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Cannot wait for your feedback on the differences to you.
[QUOTE=”JB, post: 13359647, member: 3″]
Cannot wait for your feedback on the differences to you.
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I’ve really enjoyed the brass inserts. I’m looking forward to see how these other two measure up.
Love the feel of the copper face, but if the steel gives a little more pop it may be worth getting one for the days I play a couple of really slow courses around here where the greens are sub-8 Stimp regularly. :unsure:
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From left to right: Copper; Steel; Brass
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Changing out the insert is pretty simple and straightforward.
Have some work left to take care of today and then I’ll start some comparisons.
Ok. My initial thoughts after tinkering with the three inserts.
From a looks standpoint, [USER=82993]@BC.Astral[/USER] has done a great job here. All three inserts look great when installed. For me, the matte finish on the brass looks the best, with the graphite colored steel insert a close second. But the copper looks great against the black mid-mallet head.
In the sound department, the brass is the most unique with a slight “ting” when you center the club face. There is some difference in sound when you get away from center but not by much. The steel sound is fairly consistent across the face and is a more dull knock sound. The copper is more similar to the steel. All sound good. There’s no wrong answer here or anything that sets one apart from the other (maybe a little more feedback on strike location from the brass). I’m not very picky when it comes to sound.
I’ll need a little more time to see if there is any distance control differences between the inserts. I did not notice any discernible performance differences between the three on my initial use.
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Well thanks [USER=77429]@leftybob[/USER] .. I didn’t need a new putter but these look awesome!
[QUOTE=”Coulter, post: 13361017, member: 84628″]
Well thanks [USER=77429]@leftybob[/USER] .. I didn’t need a new putter but these look awesome!
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The ability to micro dial in your putter setup is really game changing. Getting putts started on my line is so easy with my astral.
[QUOTE=”leftybob, post: 13361044, member: 77429″]
The ability to micro dial in your putter setup is really game changing. Getting putts started on my line is so easy with my astral.
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The mid mallet steel has my heart already!
Ok after reading the article in the OP… I really want to try an astral putter! From the fitting on it sounds great!
I’ve never done a putter fitting and the customization here seems really fun!
[QUOTE=”Coulter, post: 13361112, member: 84628″]
Ok after reading the article in the OP… I really want to try an astral putter! From the fitting on it sounds great!
I’ve never done a putter fitting and the customization here seems really fun!
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Gonna roll the steel insert for today’s round
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Gonna roll the steel insert for today’s round
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Love it!
Ok. Not a bad day on the golf course. First outing with the steel insert. I think it’s now in the lead on the looks department. The graphite/grey against the black putter head looks so clean.
From a distance control standpoint, I had similar results between steel and brass. No big difference for me there.
I like the sound of steal. A nice, solid knock. Similar to any other steel face putter. It’s solid. Not a soft face at all. I like it.
The thing that stands out the most to me is on the putts just outside of gimmie range. Those 4 and 5 footers are so much easier with the confidence of knowing the ball is going to start on your intended line. Just give it enough pace to roll through most of the break and hit the center of the cup.
35 putts today. A couple of three putts. My fault and not a putter issue. Either picked a bad line or didn’t take downhill pace into account.
Played a round of 18 with the brass insert and as others have mentioned, there was only a slight difference in sound and feel between it and the steel. Enough though for me to be more confident with distance control.
Now that I have tested all 3 inserts with the setup I am most comfortable with (white A2), I will now share what I like and why.
For pure looks, I must say the Steel insert is the best. I just think it looks perfect with the black head and shaft. Unfortunately it was not my favorite insert based on the results of my testing. Although the Brass insert felt and performed great, it was a close 2nd to the Copper. The soft feel of the Copper insert instills confidence and while standing over the putts knowing that I would get the distance right just helped me in so many ways to simply get my line and stroke it. (During my fitting, Blake made the comment that he liked how I would setup and putt without much hesitation. He said some golfers stand over a putt way too long and that has the potential to negatively affect the stroke and ultimately the outcome)
The Brass insert was a close 2nd. Might be all in my head but it seemed like the ball would jump off the face a little quicker than with the copper insert and because of that, I think I may use it when the greens are really slow.
Since I chose to go with the Copper insert, I decided to customize it. The plan is to strip the Cerakote off of the insert and patina the copper to give it a more unique look. I think this would look killer with the black head and shaft and I’ll be sure to post pics once I am done.
For now, I will use the Brass insert and play around with different setups. Although I really like the current setup, you never know if there is something better until you try. And that’s the beauty of the Astral Putters.
Thanks again to @BC.Astral and THP for the opportunity!
I am also sold on the copper insert, and my apparently unorthodox hosel setting. What I like about the copper is the preformance off the clubface and the more muted sound. I seem to get more feel and less audio feedback, which I prefer. I have been using the 31″ shaft and am going to switch back to the 33″ to see what that feels like again. Seems like I am a bit more comfortable with the 33″ but want to confirm. Maybe I really need a 32″? I am torn by the grip as well. I like the SuperStroke better than I originally thought but really Like the Winn NTP as well. It is a bit smaller and firmer and fits the hand more naturally. I have a pretty standard grip if that means anything to anyone. More to report after another putting green session during the week, and a full round or two on the weekend.
[QUOTE=”Boosted, post: 13367248, member: 84260″]
Played a round of 18 with the brass insert and as others have mentioned, there was only a slight difference in sound and feel between it and the steel. Enough though for me to be more confident with distance control.
Now that I have tested all 3 inserts with the setup I am most comfortable with (white A2), I will now share what I like and why.
For pure looks, I must say the Steel insert is the best. I just think it looks perfect with the black head and shaft. Unfortunately it was not my favorite insert based on the results of my testing. Although the Brass insert felt and performed great, it was a close 2nd to the Copper. The soft feel of the Copper insert instills confidence and while standing over the putts knowing that I would get the distance right just helped me in so many ways to simply get my line and stroke it. (During my fitting, Blake made the comment that he liked how I would setup and putt without much hesitation. He said some golfers stand over a putt way too long and that has the potential to negatively affect the stroke and ultimately the outcome)
The Brass insert was a close 2nd. Might be all in my head but it seemed like the ball would jump off the face a little quicker than with the copper insert and because of that, I think I may use it when the greens are really slow.
Since I chose to go with the Copper insert, I decided to customize it. The plan is to strip the Cerakote off of the insert and patina the copper to give it a more unique look. I think this would look killer with the black head and shaft and I’ll be sure to post pics once I am done.
For now, I will use the Brass insert and play around with different setups. Although I really like the current setup, you never know if there is something better until you try. And that’s the beauty of the Astral Putters.
Thanks again to [USER=82993]@BC.Astral[/USER] and THP for the opportunity!
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Just curious but with the steel and brass inserts was the issue that didn’t perform as well distance control?
[QUOTE=”Coulter, post: 13367302, member: 84628″]
Just curious but with the steel and brass inserts was the issue that didn’t perform as well distance control?
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Great question. For me, it’s a combination of feel, distance control and overall performance.
I just never felt like I had control with the steel insert. Putts seemed to jump off the face more than I expected. The brass insert was between the steel and copper. I actually like the brass insert a lot but the copper was a little better for me all around.
[QUOTE=”Boosted, post: 13367322, member: 84260″]
Great question. For me, it’s a combination of feel, distance control and overall performance.
I just never felt like I had control with the steel insert. Putts seemed to jump off the face more than I expected. The brass insert was between the steel and copper. I actually like the brass insert a lot but the copper was a little better for me all around.
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Do the inserts weigh different or are they all the same?
[QUOTE=”Coulter, post: 13367324, member: 84628″]
Do the inserts weigh different or are they all the same?
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If I remember correctly, they are all machined differently so that they do end up weighing the same or close to the same.
[QUOTE=”Coulter, post: 13367324, member: 84628″]
Do the inserts weigh different or are they all the same?
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All the inserts are the same weight. Copper and brass are identical. Steel weights less so it is milled differently. The face on the steel insert is slightly thicker than the other two. The steel has a much more consistent sound when struck out towards the heel or toe.
Yes, they are all the same weight as I recall. I didn’t find the distance control to be more “difficult” with one insert over another, but they did behave differently for me, and required adjustment from insert to insert. It was more of a feel preference with the copper insert over both the bronze and steel. In addition, the copper seemed more muted and I like less audio distraction from the feel. If I was forced to use the bronze or steel I would be perfectly happy.
[QUOTE=”leftybob, post: 13367516, member: 77429″]
All the inserts are the same weight. Copper and brass are identical. Steel weights less so it is milled differently. The face on the steel insert is slightly thicker than the other two. The steel has a much more consistent sound when struck out towards the heel or toe.
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To clarify do you mean steel is less dense so the mass is different and weight is the same?
I’m gonna have to give the copper insert some more time after reading [USER=84260]@Boosted[/USER] and [USER=68593]@cmon man[/USER] giving their stamp of approval. I’ve only done a few sessions with it on the putting mat. Need to take it out to the practice green this week.
[QUOTE=”cmon man, post: 13367541, member: 68593″]
To clarify do you mean steel is less dense so the mass is different and weight is the same?
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Yes they needed a larger volume of steel to have the same weight as copper or brass. The steel face is a little bit thicker to get that extra material.
[QUOTE=”leftybob, post: 13367670, member: 77429″]
Yes they needed a larger volume of steel to have the same weight as copper or brass. The steel face is a little bit thicker to get that extra material.
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As usual [USER=77429]@leftybob[/USER] nailed the response. Volumetric weight of steel is less than copper and brass, so needed more volume of steel to get to an equal weight.
Alright, time to get down to brass tax – for the testers and owners out there, are you going to stick with the Astral, undecided, or go back to your gamer? Also, are there any features missing from your Astral that you would like to see in future iterations?
One comment we get a lot from non-owners is the desire for interchangeable weights. Don’t think I’ve spent any time in this thread on the subject, but we don’t offer weight adjustability for a couple of reasons, but the primary one is that we don’t want to disrupt the center of gravity and balance of the club, as that’s a pretty significant area of focus in the design and part of the science behind our ball roll. Is weight adjustability something you are looking for, would the absence of weights deter a purchase, and after playing with the club would you want to adjust weight?
[QUOTE=”BC.Astral, post: 13367934, member: 82993″]
Alright, time to get down to brass tax – for the testers and owners out there, are you going to stick with the Astral, undecided, or go back to your gamer? Also, are there any features missing from your Astral that you would like to see in future iterations?
One comment we get a lot from non-owners is the desire for interchangeable weights. Don’t think I’ve spent any time in this thread on the subject, but we don’t offer weight adjustability for a couple of reasons, but the primary one is that we don’t want to disrupt the center of gravity and balance of the club, as that’s a pretty significant area of focus in the design and part of the science behind our ball roll. Is weight adjustability something you are looking for, would the absence of weights deter a purchase, and after playing with the club would you want to adjust weight?
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I’ll answer your first question later today with some pictures…. 😎
I watched someone putt with it over the weekend and it looked really good. Solid putts and the sound of the ball coming off of the club was very consistent. Those inserts do look very nice in person, gives a good looking putter.
Skimming a bit here, but I looked over the site and these are all righty only putters, correct?
[QUOTE=”JTinMO, post: 13367999, member: 68067″]
Skimming a bit here, but I looked over the site and these are all righty only putters, correct?
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No, we stock everything in left as well.
I’ve got 4 rounds and a lot of home practice with the Astral. Still not decided on the insert, but I plan to keep the putter in the bag and don’t think I’ll go back to my current gamer. I don’t change putters often. When I find what I like, it stays in the bag for a while. I like this putter. On the four rounds with it, I’ve had better lag putting due to better direction and speed control. The 3-5 foot putts have been much better mainly due to hitting the line but also from a little more confidence.
The only thing I would change would be the identification method on the hosel. I’ve done a good bit of tinkering and trying different settings. Most, if not all of the red, white, or blue paint has come off. Not impossible to identify which hosel you have without the paint, but maybe a small engraved identifier, would be more permanent.
Blake I think you can guess where I already am with my putter choice. I decided to switch to the Astral fairly early in the process because the alignment fits my eye much better, I like the additional weight, love the feel of the Astral, the look of the putter is awesome, and the final reason….who doesn’t want to putt better? I can now count on making more putts, especially from more difficult ranges. Like @cringjr I don’t change putters often and I have used my (now my wife’s) Newport 2 for over a decade. I never thought I would change but performance speaks volumes. I have decided to stick with the copper insert in my mid mallet, and am still deciding on shaft length. I wonder if a 32" would be ideal.
As far as additional features go there is really nothing I would like to see. I like the weight as is, but I am not a tinkerer. I think others would like to be able to customize colors , but I like the classic black look and would not change a thing. This whole process has been an eye opener for me. I appreciate all your help through the fittings and most of all you developing a great product.
[QUOTE=”BC.Astral, post: 13367934, member: 82993″]
Alright, time to get down to brass tax – for the testers and owners out there, are you going to stick with the Astral, undecided, or go back to your gamer?
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Astral is staying in the bag. It is just so easy to start putts on the right line with a putter that has been set up specifically for my stroke. It feels like I have to make a completely awful stroke to not start the ball on line.
[QUOTE=”BC.Astral, post: 13368030, member: 82993″]
No, we stock everything in left as well.
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Well hello friend. This is the kind of news I like to hear.
[QUOTE=”cringjr, post: 13368086, member: 70243″]
Still not decided on the insert
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Same. All three are fantastic and have their own positives so I keep switching back and forth. I do think I’ve narrowed it down to the copper or brass.
I’ve got a few putters to choose from and most recently was gaming the Fastback. Since getting the opportunity to test the Astral blade, I have learned so much about not just putters but my putting stroke as well. I am sticking with the Astral and while I’m in the process of customizing (patina) the copper insert, I will use the brass. If I ever decide to try a different putter, it will probably be the Astral mid mallet.
Thanks again for the opportunity. It was a blast being a tester for this amazing product!
[USER=68593]@cmon man[/USER] [USER=84260]@Boosted[/USER] [USER=77429]@leftybob[/USER] [USER=42778]@ScoFoBG[/USER]
What was the deciding factor for you on which insert to choose? I’m having a difficult time deciding which one works best for me. I really don’t think I could go wrong gaming any of the three. [USER=82993]@BC.Astral[/USER] any advice on how to approach this decision?
[QUOTE=”cmon man, post: 13368264, member: 68593″]
Blake I think you can guess where I already am with my putter choice. I decided to switch to the Astral fairly early in the process because the alignment fits my eye much better, I like the additional weight, love the feel of the Astral, the look of the putter is awesome, and the final reason….who doesn’t want to putt better? I can now count on making more putts, especially from more difficult ranges. Like [USER=70243]@cringjr[/USER] I don’t change putters often and I have used my (now my wife’s) Newport 2 for over a decade. I never thought I would change but performance speaks volumes. I have decided to stick with the copper insert in my mid mallet, and am still deciding on shaft length. I wonder if a 32″ would be ideal.
As far as additional features go there is really nothing I would like to see. I like the weight as is, but I am not a tinkerer. I think others would like to be able to customize colors , but I like the classic black look and would not change a thing. This whole process has been an eye opener for me. I appreciate all your help through the fittings and most of all you developing a great product.
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Have someone cut down that 33″ shaft for you to see if 32″ is the number. That’s what I use and love it.
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[USER=68593]@cmon man[/USER] [USER=84260]@Boosted[/USER] [USER=77429]@leftybob[/USER] [USER=42778]@ScoFoBG[/USER]
What was the deciding factor for you on which insert to choose? I’m having a difficult time deciding which one works best for me. I really don’t think I could go wrong gaming any of the three. [USER=82993]@BC.Astral[/USER] any advice on how to approach this decision?
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I wouldn’t over think it. Performance between the 3 is slightly different, but not enough to pick one over the other. The feel and look characteristics are what really stand out as different. As I recall, you really liked the look of that gold/black combo, so I’d do that unless something else really jumps out.
[QUOTE=”cringjr, post: 13370744, member: 70243″]
[USER=68593]@cmon man[/USER] [USER=84260]@Boosted[/USER] [USER=77429]@leftybob[/USER] [USER=42778]@ScoFoBG[/USER]
What was the deciding factor for you on which insert to choose? I’m having a difficult time deciding which one works best for me. I really don’t think I could go wrong gaming any of the three. [USER=82993]@BC.Astral[/USER] any advice on how to approach this decision?
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My approach was pretty mental (in a good way haha). First I liked the feel and muted sound of the copper insert best. They all look great of course but I like the copper look a tiny bit more. The feel carried through into how I felt when standing over a putt, and oddly enough after missing a putt. Did I have second thoughts or doubt myself? Did I feel as confident over the next putt? And even, did I wonder how I would feel with a different insert installed? The copper gives me the most confidence that I am going to make a good stroke on the ball and have the best chance of making the putt. That actually was a result through my testing. Is it the insert? In my mind it is and that’s what matters.