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  • Originally posted by sleuth View Post
    Anyone hear the Rogan podcast with Strongman Oberst as his guest? Essentially Oberst says unless you're a training professional people shouldn't deadlift. Risk doesn't outweigh the benefits. Proceeds to support that by saying no NFL player deadlifts and instead they half clean and power clean. He was a former NFL player.
    It was utter stupidity and idiotic. It was an indictment on the strength and conditioning coaches in collegiate and professional weight rooms. Unfortunately, that is not how that comment is being spun, which is unfortunate.

    I am of the very bold stance that if a "strength coach" cannot teach the deadlift, they should not be hired as a strength coach. It's like a doctor that can't detect a pulse.
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    • Originally posted by blugold View Post
      It was utter stupidity and idiotic. It was an indictment on the strength and conditioning coaches in collegiate and professional weight rooms. Unfortunately, that is not how that comment is being spun, which is unfortunate.

      I am of the very bold stance that if a "strength coach" cannot teach the deadlift, they should not be hired as a strength coach. It's like a doctor that can't detect a pulse.
      Lol I understand you have a vested interest to be defensive but really don't see that angle. He made a simple comment saying the risk to gains isn't worth it. I don't necessarily agree but I stopped deadlifting about 3 months ago myself due to lower back pains. And honestly don't miss it.
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      • Robert Oberst was wrong and it's a shame that anybody listened to him and treated him and his experience in the clownshow of collegiate and professional sport weight rooms as an authority on the subject.
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        • Originally posted by blugold View Post
          Robert Oberst was wrong and it's a shame that anybody listened to him and treated him and his experience in the clownshow of collegiate and professional sport weight rooms as an authority on the subject.
          Did you listen? The whole segway began from him discussing a bicep tear. Which does and can happen during a deadlift. No amount of good form or coaching will prevent that. I'm not defending his comments but not ignoring them either. Keep an open mind Blu. Lifting and form isn't finite. I say this because the world's strongest men competitors don't follow yours and Marks DL form and philosophy.
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          • Originally posted by sleuth View Post
            Did you listen? The whole segway began from him discussing a bicep tear. Which does and can happen during a deadlift. No amount of good form or coaching will prevent that. I'm not defending his comments but not ignoring them either. Keep an open mind Blu. Lifting and form isn't finite. I say this because the world's strongest men competitors don't follow yours and Marks DL form and philosophy.
            I listened. I am quite aware of their form and philosophy. You didn't read Rip's quote. Or maybe you did. I don't have the ability to explain this to you. Just like Mark predicted.
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            • I deadlifted today. Added weight and everything.
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              • Originally posted by Bucketsofjoy View Post
                I deadlifted today. Added weight and everything.
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                • Originally posted by blugold View Post
                  The weakness inside of me died.
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                  • Originally posted by Bucketsofjoy View Post
                    The weakness inside of me died.
                    As it should! Good work.
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                    • "Don't do those strength moves because sport players who work in 6 second bursts of raw power don't do those strength moves" makes not a lot of sense. Heck, I mostly focus on Olympic lifting, and I do a lot of deadlifts. For that matter, deadlifts take on a lot of new flavors once you start doing them to facilitate Oly lifts.

                      Can you hurt yourself doing deadlifts? Of course. But considering what they do otherwise, I think it's really silly to say getting stronger isn't worth it.
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                      • I'm in the worst shape of my life and I've been dealing with upper body pain since April. The doctor thinks it's "tech neck" from work and I'm going to physical therapy now. I'm a mess!
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                        • Today was 4x3 snatch high pull to muscle snatch to snatch balance at 115#, followed by some full rep singles. Did manage to power snatch 145, but I was aiming to squat snatch. Couldn't convince myself to get under it.
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                          • Originally posted by Paladin View Post
                            Today was 4x3 snatch high pull to muscle snatch to snatch balance at 115#, followed by some full rep singles. Did manage to power snatch 145, but I was aiming to squat snatch. Couldn't convince myself to get under it.
                            I wish I had the shoulder mobility to rack a snatch efficiently. I need to think about power snatching more often. I have incorporated power cleans back into my training because I think they're fun. Power snatches, I felt, were always much less technical.
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                            • Originally posted by blugold View Post
                              I wish I had the shoulder mobility to rack a snatch efficiently. I need to think about power snatching more often. I have incorporated power cleans back into my training because I think they're fun. Power snatches, I felt, were always much less technical.
                              I'm right there with you. It doesn't help that the position you reach that you consider the "bottom" of an overhead squat is not the proper catch position for a snatch. The only real way to practice that catch position is really awkward movements like snatch balance.

                              Still, I'm slowly getting there. Years of conventional body-building type weightlifting, along with a boss who has spent the past 15 years defining my fitness by how many pushups I can do, have left me with some really awful shoulder mobility. To be honest, I'm not sure that snatches do a whole lot for you that the squat clean doesn't from a general fitness perspective. You learn the movement because that's the lift you do in competition. But in terms of muscle engagement and developing the power and coordination associated with Oly lifts, the idea of pulling hard and throwing yourself under the bar, can be gotten as much from the squat clean as the snatch, with much less complication. And if the goal is simply power development, hanging power cleans until you can't grip the bar anymore is the best way to do it.
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                              • This deadlift was heavy, but felt great.

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