it's a bad rub for sure, getting jerked around like that
Patriots owner ROBERT KRAFT Arrested for.....????
it's a bad rub for sure, getting jerked around like that
Let's all lighten up -- it's a guy getting off his rocks.
So he gets suspended for half a season ... should not affect anything.
Everyone makes stupid mistakes ... this is one of them.
So he gets suspended for half a season ... should not affect anything.
Everyone makes stupid mistakes ... this is one of them.
Good point here. Owners should be held to at least the same standards as players. If not more.
Personally I don't think the NFL should do anything to Kraft. This incident has nothing to do with football. Its not even tangentially related. And its not like many of the player incidents, like domestic battery or something, where there is a violent crime committed. Unless there are proven allegations that he was involved in trafficking (which it doesn't sound like there are), then just let the legal system handle it.
tpluff
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Please forgive me for not apologizing for having zero sympathy for Pats fans nor Kraft in this situation. There are real victims infinitely more worthy of support than a NFL franchise whose owner allegedly decided to get happy endings from an establishment that allegedly doubled as a participant in human trafficking. I'm trying to keep it constructive and not a personal attack, but there is a time when you must stop and think about what really is at stake here. Maybe that time is now.
We can't ignore the real issue here, which is well beyond fandom and draft picks. Some people just need to be reminded of that from time to time. I am no exception.
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I'm in agreement with this. I'm not making light of what did or didn't happen, but Kraft is only being charged with a misdemeanor (two counts likely). Does the NFL take action for every misdemeanor that a player or coach is involved in?
billy's no clown. a rabid fan? sure. i think most of us are guilty of being homers about one thing or another. but i have tons of respect for billy after spending a weekend with him at the morgan cup last year.
personally, i don't care what kraft did unless he knew it wasn't consensual, and/or knew the establishment participated in human trafficking. then he can rot in jail for all i care (though we all know he won't).
The hole thing just leaves a bad taste in your mouth, I say this tongue in cheeks of course.
The Media Column: Coverage of Robert Kraft's arrest exposes everyone's biases:Link
Stop stop stop. People trying to link BK to the Human Trafficking is like trying to link someone who buys weed to International drug smuggling. Without any proof,linking BK to the Human trafficking is misleading at best. No one is accusing the other 250 men who used this place of Human trafficking.
I get it people hate/HATE The patriots but taking a situation like this and trying to spin it into something it's not is why I will defend the wall.
I have no love lost for criminals I work in the field but I don't like the rush to judgement that the media seems to stir up with every controversy. NO Waiting for the facts or the case to be adjudicated. Just Punishment and Scorn and public shaming.
But it’s football Tyler, real life consequences don’t matter as long as trophies pile up in the display case
tpluff
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Man, you completely missed the point of my post and put meaning in my post that is simply not there. If you see my past posts in here, you'd see you are wrong about my personal intent. Anyone claiming there's a link between Kraft and human trafficking must either have more evidence than what's been released or is bordering on libel and slander. That's why I clearly prefaced the crimes as allegations and didn't say anything linked the two other than the massage parlor. Maybe he's just an [un]fortunate/unintentional casualty in the whole thing.
That being said, he and the Patriots organization/fans are not the victims that need defending. Those worthy of defending are the countless women and children who are victim to human trafficking all over the world, every single day. C'mon man, priorities.
And it's incredibly sad that this is what truly matters to some, Mike. It really is.
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My guess is that the Kraft family will issue a press release stating that the patriarch (Bob) has not been feeling well mentally and to please accept the family's apology. Also , I expect the statement will read that it has been Bob's son (s) who have for years now been managing the family businesses and sports teams, not Bob.
So since it was misdemeanor then why does the NFL suspended players for it? They have a conduct policy that says if you harm the image or bring negative light to the NFL you face consequences. Well this sure as hell brought negative light to the NFL, as one of their owners was caught in a sex sting, with underpinnings of human trafficking(if he knew or not).
Linebacker Reuben Foster was suspended two games for violating the NFL's policies on personal conduct and substance abuse, the league announced Tuesday. The NFL said that the suspension was related to a misdemeanor gun charge, for which Foster pleaded no contest, and a misdemeanor marijuana possession charge, which was dropped in May.
Linebacker Reuben Foster was suspended two games for violating the NFL's policies on personal conduct and substance abuse, the league announced Tuesday. The NFL said that the suspension was related to a misdemeanor gun charge, for which Foster pleaded no contest, and a misdemeanor marijuana possession charge, which was dropped in May.
That is my point. Ezekiel Elliott wasn't even charged in his DV case, and he was suspended.
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The Sting took place between Palm Beach and Martin County because the owners of this shop also owns six others between the two. That’s going to require a judge to allow both counties to cooperate, twice in the search warrants and all the permissions to freeze and monitor bank accounts etc.
Also, if the girls aren’t in danger etc, they’ll let things roll for until things are enough for their case.
There may be a bit of grandstanding by one of the counties for exposing names... and tactics used..
Plus, you want to make sure you have all the best evidence possible before exposing the sting to ensure a conviction. You have to balance the harm to the people being trafficked (if they were) vs. the needs of the case. It doesn't help anyone if you can't get a conviction.
Wait so they were sex slaves but they weren't in danger?? That's not possible since by them being Sex slaves they are in Danger 24/7. So they were being trafficked but it was allowed to continue for 8 weeks?
Please don't misunderstand me. I am not condoning the behavior and he will have to face the consequences for his actions
I like my Patriots but being a good person is more important than anything else. its how I raised my kids. Ethics and Morals and personal responsibility are Key points.
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In danger by means of being slapped around by customers. If you’re trafficking, probably not wise to be slapped around by the bosses, that’s damaging the merchandise.
For what it’s worth, the investigation started in the works months ago.
I guess to me I take the involvement in human trafficking in actively partaking with sex slaves. It's 2019. No dude who goes to an asian massage parlor assumes the girls are just trying to make an extra few dollars doing rub and tugs. Those places are ground zero for human trafficking and have been for years...the light has finally be shone on them.
I'd have no qualms with Kraft seeing a legit sex worker and paying for a consenusal business transaction. But paying some chick there against her will to please him is a different sport. It's kind of telling that that's the place he's frequents rather than high end escorts, nookie girls, groupies or other avenues to get his freak on.
Maybe the high ends and groupies will know who he is and blackmail him. Sex slaves just entering the country won't know him - anonymity is key. If I were him and he wanted to buy sex, just give them a non disclosure form beforehand and pay them handsomely.
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The only problem is that we simply do not know what the connection is, the overlap if you will, of the massage parlor and the human trafficking ring. You are assuming that the women victims of the human trafficking were also posing/acting as masseuses for the sexual favors. To this point, I don't think that's a fair assumption given the evidence and charges released. If it were the case, then ignorance would not be a sufficient excuse. Not so shockingly, I'm sure there are some masseuses out there who willingly participate in the happy endings charade. Wait for the details to come out and the legal process to unfold and then we can judge those involved.
I'm sure he's using the 'dumb rube' defense and saying that he didn't make the leap that an Asian massage parlor were staffed by women who were human trafficked. He just thought they were immigrants trying to make a quick buck and didn't know the law.
It's an interesting to see how the backlash is going. I think the prosecutors thought this would help shine a light on the human trafficking piece, but in some ways the blanket support of Kraft and the guys are taking away the true issue at hand.
Personally I care more about stopping human trafficking (sex slavery) than Kraft or the other dudes getting busted. The embarrassment he's experiencing is punishment enough. There is no reason to 'pile on'. I actually have no issues with what consenting adults do. If this had been anywhere on the consensual spectrum from a stripper giving him an extra in a VIP to a high end escort, who cares - live and let live. It's kinda silly to legislate that. But the women who are brought here under false pretense and forced to do it is just wrong.
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I have never been in one of those places but know people who have. I had no idea they were sex trafficking places. I naively thought the women were just looking to make a few extra bucks for the rub and tug.
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