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  • Originally posted by JB View Post
    I will save the rest of the cutting to others and to our staff writers when they are here because I just cut a few balls and they were all perfect. Taylormade, Callaway, Wilson, Titleist and Mizuno.

    I stand by our comment from a year ago that all companies can get better at quality control, but I’m not going to put much thought into any company as we continue to test and find fantastic products across the board.



    Yup...those all look pretty darn good!


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    • Nice! Let's cut some sh!t up!
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      • Originally posted by Paladin View Post
        My point was that they cut open "less than 2" golf balls to find one with a badly off-center core. Further, it was a golf ball used in testing wherein the Chrome Soft underperformed relative to balls at a similar price point. It seems specious to me that the person who took the photos in the OP led the viewer to understand that he was simply playing a random Chrome Soft and then cutting it open when it was in fact a Chrome Soft that he and his organization had already performed extensive testing on. To me it continued a tendency towards suppressing context that undermines any point they were attempting to make.
        Admittedly I watched that portion of their video and my understanding, based on their commentary, was the ball they cut was one of the balls that "flew wildly offline during our test."

        If that were the case, and that same ball was kept in the data results (which were entirely based on averages), then they basically just nullified their own test.
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        • Originally posted by golfunfiltered View Post
          Admittedly I watched that portion of their video and my understanding, based on their commentary, was the ball they cut was one of the balls that "flew wildly offline during our test."

          If that were the case, and that same ball was kept in the data results (which were entirely based on averages), then they basically just nullified their own test.
          i started typing it up last night but that was the point of my words to them. They produced content that said they knowingly put a ball in testing that "is known in the industry to have problems with center coreing" and saw no problem with it for their testing yet now that it's done and want to move on to another topic, is a huge problem that must be addressed. Guess those nameless "industry experts" didn't catch that.

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          • All I keep seeing are perfectly good balls being cut in half. Use the balls that have hit the cart path or you pulled out of a lake, those were probably the ones with bad cores anyway!
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            • Originally posted by golfunfiltered View Post
              Admittedly I watched that portion of their video and my understanding, based on their commentary, was the ball they cut was one of the balls that "flew wildly offline during our test."

              If that were the case, and that same ball was kept in the data results (which were entirely based on averages), then they basically just nullified their own test.
              My issue is that all those things are being shared separate from just those images. I didn't watch the video where they disclosed that the image of a wildly off-center core included in the OP was one they already knew to be malformed from previous golf ball testing.

              Either way, sharing the images as a #FindItCutIt rather than "This ball produced result X in testing under lab conditions where a centered ball produced result Y" makes the whole situation seem as if they don't really care as much about informing the consumer as much as they want to get tongues wagging. Now instead of having a productive data-driven statement like, "A centered ball can improve accuracy by as much as 12% over something that is even 3 mm off-center!" this has turned into "Chevron bad. Chevron off-center!"
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              • I just cut up 6 Chrome Softs, 3 each of the previous generation and present. 1 of each generation was off center but the newer version less so.

                Also cut open a couple each of TP5x, ProV1, Tour RB, all good to the eye.

                Even went old school cutting open a Hogan Tour Deep (appears to be just a 2-piece ball!), Wilson Staff Zip (cover thickness off slightly), Nike PD Soft and Pinnacle Exception.

                In the pic of the previous version (yellow) Chrome Soft, it's hard to tell as the core is the same color as the mantle. But in hand and in the right light, as oriented in the pic, it's very obvious that the core is high right on the right side, high left on the left.
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                • Here's another major ball maker. The core is a little offcenter. It happens with every production ball I'd imagine. I don't have any chrome softs to cut up as I never really have liked the ball.


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                  • Originally posted by DG_1234 View Post
                    This thread has caused me to jump off the fence and try the 2019 Srixon Z-Star balls.
                    White or yellow? According to the scientific testers they perform differently, you know.
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                    • Originally posted by tequila4kapp View Post
                      White or yellow? According to the scientific testers they perform differently, you know.
                      Hahahahaha, this made me smile this morning.

                      It’s ‘science’.
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                      • Originally posted by Jman View Post
                        Hahahahaha, this made me smile this morning.

                        It’s ‘science’.
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                        • Originally posted by kevin81002 View Post
                          Here's another major ball maker. The core is a little offcenter. It happens with every production ball I'd imagine. I don't have any chrome softs to cut up as I never really have liked the ball.


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                          Lowry just won the Open with the Srixon XV. Looks like this issue is not restricted to just one manufacturer.

                          I did some floating balls in Epsom salt and then cutting some (used balls) that failed my float test. I'm not cutting a new ball that failed and there were a bunch of those. I'll try and post some pics up for the heck of it, means nothing.
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                          • Originally posted by Kenomikes View Post
                            Lowry just won the Open with the Srixon XV. Looks like this issue is not restricted to just one manufacturer.

                            I did some floating balls in Epsom salt and then cutting some (used balls) that failed my float test. I'm not cutting a new ball that failed and there were a bunch of those. I'll try and post some pics up for the heck of it, means nothing.
                            I agree. This was a shag ball that's been sitting in my garage. For some reason I can't get myself to game a yellow ball, so perfect candidate for the snips.

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                            • It's an interesting conversation. I'm trying to decide if I care to worry about this or not? Maybe just stick with 3-piece balls since the ones with a dual core seem to have the most trouble.
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                              • Originally posted by JB View Post
                                I will save the rest of the cutting to others and to our staff writers when they are here because I just cut a few balls and they were all perfect. Taylormade, Callaway, Wilson, Titleist and Mizuno.

                                I stand by our comment from a year ago that all companies can get better at quality control, but I’m not going to put much thought into any company as we continue to test and find fantastic products across the board.



                                All companies can get better yes, but will they? I don’t think so. In order to get 100% within tolerance they would have to increase the amount they check and that slows down production, driving up costs. Golf balls are a tough market to have good margins in as is, not to mention the increased R&D costs.

                                It’s interesting to me that with all the money spent in golf, hard goods and soft goods, consumers seem to have an issue with a random $4 piece of equipment being off.
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