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Kuchar - Mayakoba Caddie Drama - Your Take?

I think Kuch should feel the Bern and give all the winnings to all the caddies! Socialism ftmfw!


Heavy sarcasm here folks, heeeeeeaaaavy sarcasm.
 
Jman said:
I think Kuch should feel the Bern and give all the winnings to all the caddies! Socialism ftmfw!


Heavy sarcasm here folks, heeeeeeaaaavy sarcasm.
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I read feel the Bern and was thinking Mr. Burns from the Simpson’s, lol
 
mikeg_74 said:
I read feel the Bern and was thinking Mr. Burns from the Simpson’s, lol
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I mean, have he and Bernie ever been seen in the same place at the same time......
 
I gotta throw my two cents in. I spent all morning checking all the forums and here at THP we have basically the only thread dedicated to this. This has absolutely blown up in Kuchar's face. Its hard to believe a 'Nice guy who seems down to earth' could give such a paltry tip to a person whose literally not got a pot to piss in. He caddies at a golf course. Not exactly a career to retire on. He wanted to start a laundromat. He wanted to make his life better. A guy with 45 million in winnings, a net worth of probably around that number, whose probably got 5 million in his checking account, agrees to pay a local caddie whose got nada 3K....okay cool. When you win 1.3 million - you should pony up at least 50-100K I don't give a rats ass what percentage it is and to read the guys on here who purchase more golf equipment than that guy makes in a year is completely BS. I love the jokes about percentage and being happy with what you get all coming from those who're probably executives at companies, own their own businesses, probably have net worth's north of 1 million. Agreeing with the agent worth north of 40 million defending a client whose worth north of 40 million about tipping a guy 2K after winning 1.3 million.

I just gotta get this out. I hope this never goes away until someone I don't care who - makes things right. The agent, Kuchar, the tour commissioner, the tour itself, another rich ass pro, I don't care - someone should pay the guy what he's owed and it may not be 10% but it should now be 100K. A 100K check would change his life and basically have no impact on whomever is making it. These aren't guys who make 400k a year, these are guys who make 5 million a year and then some. These are guys who are set for life no matter what - we're not talking matt wolfe, we're not talking some bs local event with a winners pay out of 500 bucks. We're talking major life changing money to virtually anyone and they literally treat it like any other week. You or I would **** our pants if you won 1.3 million plus another 3 million for all the top 25 finishes they rack up. The tour has policies to deal with perception. They care about the perception of the tour so much so they have rules about staying at the nicest hotels and being seen at only the nicest places, dressed to impress, etc. So the tour allowing this all to go down, continue to go down and I hope will continue to go down until someone pays him. I'm just not understanding why there's so much debate. I'd say the haves are all up in arms about 'he should be thankful for what he's got' right? trickle down economics? and the have nots are up in arms about doing the right thing. Same issues play out in our broken government right.

I really hope Kuchar can save his reputation by doing the right thing. The caddie could get a check for 100k, change his entire life and say to the media 'thank you for all you've done, the matter has been rectified and I will not comment on what's taken place but I no longer have anything to say on the matter' and Kuchar, the agent and the tour can say the same. Its so stinking easy but it almost seems like Kuchar and the Agent are acting like someone's trying to black mail them or take advantage of them - AND IT IS LITTERALLY THE OTHER WAY AROUND. I get it, Kuchar agree'd to pay 3K for the week - an awesome paycheck for anyone I know. BUT after winning 1.3 million - the deal needed to change. It could've been a flat 100K and the caddie would've changed his life, Kuchar would have felt nothing in terms of financial impact and probably would've gotten a thank you card every year for the rest of his life because he changed the course of someone's life so immeasurably it couldn't be put into words.
 
If there is anyone who should put their hand in their pocket it is Tom Gillis who stirred the pot in the first place - if he is that concerned over what got paid, then why doesn't he pay the caddie?
 
I wish I could make $5k for carrying a golf bag for a week. Hell, I wish I made that in a month at my job.
 
B81Smith said:
I gotta throw my two cents in. I spent all morning checking all the forums and here at THP we have basically the only thread dedicated to this. This has absolutely blown up in Kuchar's face. Its hard to believe a 'Nice guy who seems down to earth' could give such a paltry tip to a person whose literally not got a pot to piss in. He caddies at a golf course. Not exactly a career to retire on. He wanted to start a laundromat. He wanted to make his life better. A guy with 45 million in winnings, a net worth of probably around that number, whose probably got 5 million in his checking account, agrees to pay a local caddie whose got nada 3K....okay cool. When you win 1.3 million - you should pony up at least 50-100K I don't give a rats ass what percentage it is and to read the guys on here who purchase more golf equipment than that guy makes in a year is completely BS. I love the jokes about percentage and being happy with what you get all coming from those who're probably executives at companies, own their own businesses, probably have net worth's north of 1 million. Agreeing with the agent worth north of 40 million defending a client whose worth north of 40 million about tipping a guy 2K after winning 1.3 million.

I just gotta get this out. I hope this never goes away until someone I don't care who - makes things right. The agent, Kuchar, the tour commissioner, the tour itself, another rich ass pro, I don't care - someone should pay the guy what he's owed and it may not be 10% but it should now be 100K. A 100K check would change his life and basically have no impact on whomever is making it. These aren't guys who make 400k a year, these are guys who make 5 million a year and then some. These are guys who are set for life no matter what - we're not talking matt wolfe, we're not talking some bs local event with a winners pay out of 500 bucks. We're talking major life changing money to virtually anyone and they literally treat it like any other week. You or I would **** our pants if you won 1.3 million plus another 3 million for all the top 25 finishes they rack up. The tour has policies to deal with perception. They care about the perception of the tour so much so they have rules about staying at the nicest hotels and being seen at only the nicest places, dressed to impress, etc. So the tour allowing this all to go down, continue to go down and I hope will continue to go down until someone pays him. I'm just not understanding why there's so much debate. I'd say the haves are all up in arms about 'he should be thankful for what he's got' right? trickle down economics? and the have nots are up in arms about doing the right thing. Same issues play out in our broken government right.

I really hope Kuchar can save his reputation by doing the right thing. The caddie could get a check for 100k, change his entire life and say to the media 'thank you for all you've done, the matter has been rectified and I will not comment on what's taken place but I no longer have anything to say on the matter' and Kuchar, the agent and the tour can say the same. Its so stinking easy but it almost seems like Kuchar and the Agent are acting like someone's trying to black mail them or take advantage of them - AND IT IS LITTERALLY THE OTHER WAY AROUND. I get it, Kuchar agree'd to pay 3K for the week - an awesome paycheck for anyone I know. BUT after winning 1.3 million - the deal needed to change. It could've been a flat 100K and the caddie would've changed his life, Kuchar would have felt nothing in terms of financial impact and probably would've gotten a thank you card every year for the rest of his life because he changed the course of someone's life so immeasurably it couldn't be put into words.
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B81Smith,
I appreciate your time getting this response out. I also need to step back from this thread but everyone's view is interesting to me. I do not like the gratuity system. The difference between 3k and 100k is a crazy amount to be left up to expectations.
We may disagree and have different views on how this should effect Kuchar's reputation and El Tucan's livelihood (What's Right) but I appreciate following this thread. It is a situation, as a have not (but need not), that I'm constantly working out for myself.

Edit: I'm not sure what a have not, need not is. Golf is my only hobby. It is the only thing I have time or money for. Hopefully, that makes more sense. Plenty of room of wanting left...
 
B81Smith said:
I gotta throw my two cents in. I spent all morning checking all the forums and here at THP we have basically the only thread dedicated to this. This has absolutely blown up in Kuchar's face. Its hard to believe a 'Nice guy who seems down to earth' could give such a paltry tip to a person whose literally not got a pot to piss in. He caddies at a golf course. Not exactly a career to retire on. He wanted to start a laundromat. He wanted to make his life better. A guy with 45 million in winnings, a net worth of probably around that number, whose probably got 5 million in his checking account, agrees to pay a local caddie whose got nada 3K....okay cool. When you win 1.3 million - you should pony up at least 50-100K I don't give a rats ass what percentage it is and to read the guys on here who purchase more golf equipment than that guy makes in a year is completely BS. I love the jokes about percentage and being happy with what you get all coming from those who're probably executives at companies, own their own businesses, probably have net worth's north of 1 million. Agreeing with the agent worth north of 40 million defending a client whose worth north of 40 million about tipping a guy 2K after winning 1.3 million.

I just gotta get this out. I hope this never goes away until someone I don't care who - makes things right. The agent, Kuchar, the tour commissioner, the tour itself, another rich ass pro, I don't care - someone should pay the guy what he's owed and it may not be 10% but it should now be 100K. A 100K check would change his life and basically have no impact on whomever is making it. These aren't guys who make 400k a year, these are guys who make 5 million a year and then some. These are guys who are set for life no matter what - we're not talking matt wolfe, we're not talking some bs local event with a winners pay out of 500 bucks. We're talking major life changing money to virtually anyone and they literally treat it like any other week. You or I would **** our pants if you won 1.3 million plus another 3 million for all the top 25 finishes they rack up. The tour has policies to deal with perception. They care about the perception of the tour so much so they have rules about staying at the nicest hotels and being seen at only the nicest places, dressed to impress, etc. So the tour allowing this all to go down, continue to go down and I hope will continue to go down until someone pays him. I'm just not understanding why there's so much debate. I'd say the haves are all up in arms about 'he should be thankful for what he's got' right? trickle down economics? and the have nots are up in arms about doing the right thing. Same issues play out in our broken government right.

I really hope Kuchar can save his reputation by doing the right thing. The caddie could get a check for 100k, change his entire life and say to the media 'thank you for all you've done, the matter has been rectified and I will not comment on what's taken place but I no longer have anything to say on the matter' and Kuchar, the agent and the tour can say the same. Its so stinking easy but it almost seems like Kuchar and the Agent are acting like someone's trying to black mail them or take advantage of them - AND IT IS LITTERALLY THE OTHER WAY AROUND. I get it, Kuchar agree'd to pay 3K for the week - an awesome paycheck for anyone I know. BUT after winning 1.3 million - the deal needed to change. It could've been a flat 100K and the caddie would've changed his life, Kuchar would have felt nothing in terms of financial impact and probably would've gotten a thank you card every year for the rest of his life because he changed the course of someone's life so immeasurably it couldn't be put into words.
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Couple questions and notes:
1- the caddy DID get paid was he was "owed"
2- he got offered a lot more than that (apparently)
3- How do we know the 100k you're talking about isn't already earmarked for charitable donations (Kuchar is no exception to this) -- Still changing lives
4- Why does your opinion on a tip supersede Kuchar's in this case? doesn't that seem a bit weird?
 
Awstyn said:
B81Smith,
I appreciate your time getting this response out. I also need to step back from this thread but everyone's view is interesting to me. I do not like the gratuity system. The difference between 3k and 100k is a crazy amount to be left up to expectations.
We may disagree and have different views on how this should effect Kuchar's reputation and El Tucan's livelihood (What's Right) but I appreciate following this thread. It is a situation, as a have not (but need not), that I'm constantly working out for myself.
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I don't know how or why the words "tip" or "gratuity system" is being used in the context of the Kuchar situation. I've never heard these words associated with pro golf caddie compensation.
10% pay for a winning bag is a player-caddie tradition that has been around for decades. Usually a player is glad to pay 10% because it means he won the tournament.
 
DG_1234 said:
I don't know how or why the words "tip" or "gratuity system" is being used in the context of the Kuchar situation. I've never heard these words associated with pro golf caddie compensation.
10% pay for a winning bag is a player-caddie tradition that has been around for decades. Usually a player is glad to pay 10% because it means he won the tournament.
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I think you're missing the entire 'tradition' behind a caddie getting 10% of a winning paycheck. It's not an absolution.
 
Quoting this because it's an actual sample from a Tour player. 10% is pretty clearly not 'tradition' or 'unspoken law' here.

JB said:
So I just asked a tour player (on one of the major tours) how this would be handled. She said that she has had this exact scenario come up when her regular caddie was ill or when she changed caddies. They agreed up front, she over paid by a small amount because she did well, but never immediately jumped to the 10% or anything of the sort. Those large numbers are handled for work over time I was told, because in some ways it is making up for weeks in which there was little or none. Just simple thoughts from a different perspective.
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Canadan said:
Quoting this because it's an actual sample from a Tour player. 10% is pretty clearly not 'tradition' or 'unspoken law' here.
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Just to play devils advocate. Surely the womens tour players make a lot less so then their caddies make a lot less also>?
 
I say gratuity because, according to my understanding 3k was the only part defined as being agreed upon beforehand.
The rest of it was associated with pro golf caddie compensation and traditional player-caddie tradition.
My view being further clouded by it not being his traditional caddie.

I'll never be in this situation (unless I won a big lottery ticket) and I'm not sure how I'd handle the clerk or establishment that provided the winning ticket. So it is hard for me to judge.
 
alexped2393 said:
Just to play devils advocate. Surely the womens tour players make a lot less so then their caddies make a lot less also>?
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Of course they do, but the sample is not a dollar amount, it's a percentage (which I'd assume would not change). The simple point was that caddies are not just guaranteed 10% for their player winning a tournament. It's not 'tradition' or guaranteed.
 
alexped2393 said:
Just to play devils advocate. Surely the womens tour players make a lot less so then their caddies make a lot less also>?
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It would be hard to find a caddie who did not receive 10% for a winning LPGA Tour bag.
It would be nearly impossible to find a caddie who did not receive 10% for a winning PGA Tour bag.
The golf pro Tweeter Gillis knows this, as does any experienced Tour pro, and I expect this is why Gillis chose to expose Kuchar. What Kuchar did is basically unheard of because the first place check, plus all the other benefits which go along with a Tour victory, usually make it a pleasure to pay the caddie 10% for a winning bag.
 
Canadan said:
Couple questions and notes:
1- the caddy DID get paid was he was "owed"
2- he got offered a lot more than that (apparently)
3- How do we know the 100k you're talking about isn't already earmarked for charitable donations (Kuchar is no exception to this) -- Still changing lives
4- Why does your opinion on a tip supersede Kuchar's in this case? doesn't that seem a bit weird?
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1: the caddie didn’t get what he deserved. The caddie didn’t get what a white American born caddie would’ve gotten and that disparity is what has everyone up in arms especially since the offender has 45 million more than a regular person. It’s like a billionaire tipping a 1 dollar for a person parking their Bentley. Cheap.
2: 15k was ‘shut the f up money’ and not appropriate for a win worth 1.3 million.
3: I doubt any pro has ear marked a certain amount towards charity the week they win. It’s probably more in mine with other ultra high net worth individuals. During tax time or throughout the year they periodically make donations to charities or their own charity organizations. I don’t hear about other stand ins getting stiffed due to ‘sorry man o was gonna donate my winnings to charity so there’s none left over for you.’
4: I want to believe Kuchar is a great guy with a solid down to earth head on his shoulders. I believe the greedy ass agent is completely to blame on this some way shape or form. I just can’t believe Kuchar shook hands on 3k. Then wins 1.3 million (his normal caddie would get 130k and he decides completely on his own a 2k bonus is appropriate. I’d guess someone told him to do all that but if not then he’s a complete piece of crap, fake as F garbage person.

If I acted this way my entire family (parents, wife, kids, friends) would all be asking me to make it right. Not double down and say ‘okay I f’d up, how’s 15k more?’ LOL. How’s that different from a guy whose sued for harassment and settles out of court for 20 million and then says ‘I didn’t do anything wrong, I’m completely innocent’. Yea right. The offer basically admits guilt and he feels guilty for all this or he’s a piece of crap and wants to save public image.

I’m a hot head and I’ve said and done many piece of crap things. I should probably burn in hell for things I’ve done, said or acts I’ve committed but I can clearly see this wasn’t right by our western moral norms. Back in golfs hay day - guys would use local caddies ALL THE TIME. Most caddies didn’t travel at all and the 5,7,10 rule has been around for like 70 years. I wish the big guns would weigh in but they’re too classy. I’d bet Jack, Arnie, Player, Trevino, etc all paid on the 5/7/10 rule and they would stand on the caddies side.

I realize you’re a big dog around here and seem to be some type of industry insider who gets stuff for free. If you love this game and believe we as golfers adhere to a higher standard than other sports figures then you should agree that winning 1.3 million and then giving a 0.1538% tip is reasonable well then my friend you shouldn’t be in the game of golf. Next time you visit a private club and the kid takes your clubs from the trunk of your 50k plus car try giving him 1 penny cut in half. See how the club likes that. Or at the turn when tipping isn’t allowed and you toss a half penny into the jar - see how that goes over. I’m not a huge tipper because I can barely afford my house so as much as possible I avoid all situations where tipping is involved. I park my own car. I don’t go to fancy restaurants. I’m not a member of a private club but I grew up at country clubs. I saw almost everyone giving the bag boy a 20. I thought holly crap these guys are loaded. My dad was one who’d always take care of the bad boys, the locker room guys, everyone he encountered and I know how it’s done. Since I can’t then I don’t go to those places. Simple. If Kutcher can’t tip correctly then he should be removed from the tour. If this tournament was in he USA the tour would fine him in secret and force him to poney up the correct amount for the work done.

I know I’d love to make 2k or 3 or 5 for a weekends work but I don’t caddie for an actual living. We are all thinking like we have our real jobs and then suddenly a millionaire is paying us 5k for the week. That’s not how this is. The guy makes a living caddying at the course where the tourney was played. His local knowledge was probably invaluable and needed along the way to winning. Yes it’s the golfer but if history shows us how this should’ve been done then the only conclusion should’ve been a lot more money going to the caddie.

At this level, the amount of 2,3,5 or 15k is basically insulting the same way a penny cut in half would be insulting for parking a car.


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This thread is still hot, ha.

I like Kuchar, and I don't think he did anything wrong. I do think he looks cheap. After spending time in the service industry before/during college, I gained appreciation for the value of tips to those who provide services, so I tend to be a bigger tipper in my everyday life. If I just made $1.3 million off one tournament, I know I'd give the guy a bigger bonus, but that's just me, and I don't harbor any resentment towards Kuch for not doing so. I really don't think this should hurt Kuchar's reputation in the long run.

What I don't like is that all of this feels like extortion through the social-media mob. Take the issue up with Kuchar privately, and then gladly accept the extra $15k he was going to throw your way. The way this has been handled, particularly by Gillis, is deplorable.
 
I read the club caddie never thought he would get or deserved the 10% “traditional” or unwritten rule of pay for a player winning the tournament. So, I don’t understand all the talk like the club caddie shouldn’t get this 10%. He doesn’t even think he should get that much. His was asking/expecting approximately 4% to be his pay day. I do think Kuchar should have paid that amount.

Kuchar should have paid the guy 50,000, take tons of pictures for publicity, and watch the whole thing become a how great is this guy. Instead, Kuchar paid on the cheap, is getting hit by some bad publicity, and we are debating here on a forum his actions.

I would be surprised if Kuchar caves now. He already drew a line in the sand, so now he will just wait it out until the media has something else to discuss. I doubt this affects him long term, except for some in the public that don’t think of him as the good guy anymore. No sponsor loss or a missed night of sleep for him. Shame but true.



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Canadan said:
Of course they do, but the sample is not a dollar amount, it's a percentage (which I'd assume would not change). The simple point was that caddies are not just guaranteed 10% for their player winning a tournament. It's not 'tradition' or guaranteed.
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No one is saying the 10% should be guaranteed. We’re saying what the caddie got is insulting and the tour, the players and the fans care about how it’s all perceived. In this case, the caddie should’ve gotten way way more.

I’ll leave it at this.....if they agreed upon 3k flat for the week and then the player wins 1.3 million then he should’ve paid no less than 30k but not more than 100k extra. That’s not 10%. 10% would’ve been near 130k. I would’ve paid 50k. Boom. No story, no issues with press, peers, family, friends etc. So this is all Kuchars fault. He made a wrong choice and the longer it takes to rectify then I hope the more he feels it. Maybe some sponsors pull out, maybe he doesn’t win some award that comes with lots of notoriety and ends up paying at least 50k to the caddie. That’ll make everyone take note that in the days of social media you cannot get away with doing things like this. Kuchar’s private jet ride home probably cost 10x what he paid the caddie. He’s a human being.

The truly big time now just pay the caddies a flat fee for the entire year. Lol. Those are big checks nearly 1 million but we’ll never know for sure because Joe LaCava and Bones aren’t talking about what tiger or Phil pays. I’m not sure if Phil pays his brother same as he did bones. But all accounts say they pay around 1 mill a year flat fee.


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B81Smith said:
I realize you’re a big dog around here and seem to be some type of industry insider who gets stuff for free. If you love this game and believe we as golfers adhere to a higher standard than other sports figures then you should agree that winning 1.3 million and then giving a 0.1538% tip is reasonable well then my friend you shouldn’t be in the game of golf. Next time you visit a private club and the kid takes your clubs from the trunk of your 50k plus car try giving him 1 penny cut in half. See how the club likes that. Or at the turn when tipping isn’t allowed and you toss a half penny into the jar - see how that goes over. I’m not a huge tipper because I can barely afford my house so as much as possible I avoid all situations where tipping is involved. I park my own car. I don’t go to fancy restaurants. I’m not a member of a private club but I grew up at country clubs. I saw almost everyone giving the bag boy a 20. I thought holly crap these guys are loaded. My dad was one who’d always take care of the bad boys, the locker room guys, everyone he encountered and I know how it’s done. Since I can’t then I don’t go to those places. Simple. If Kutcher can’t tip correctly then he should be removed from the tour. If this tournament was in he USA the tour would fine him in secret and force him to poney up the correct amount for the work done.
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So, not unlike this story with Kuchar (where barely any of the real facts are probably present), your assumptions of me are almost all entirely wrong. But it does paint a nice picture on the anger of the confused being projected incorrectly to others and I'm a big enough boy to take on the brunt of that without throwing a fit. I don't own a 50k car. I carry my own clubs and dislike bag boys and club washers (as I am perfectly capable of doing those things myself). I do belong to a private golf course and it is far and away the biggest expense I have because of my passion and love for the game of golf. I'm also not a big dog around here. I've been around for a while and post a lot, sure, but I'm just like everyone else. How i'm perceived I suppose is entirely up to you.

And to the comments on tipping, it kind of fits some of my political beliefs. I feel strongly in what I would do in each situation, but overall, I'm pro "None of my damn business" how they spend their money. When I go out to eat with friends I don't open their checks after they've written down their tip and judge them. It's just none of my damn business. A tip is a tip, and it's not guaranteed. The man got more than he was owed (and offered quadruple that amount after the fact). And it's still none of my business.
 
B81Smith said:
I realize you’re a big dog around here and seem to be some type of industry insider who gets stuff for free.
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I think this debate has been stellar from all sides, but there really isn't a place for this kind of stuff.
Canadan is a staff writer of THP that works hard and is always on the THP Forum to help others.

All opinions count on this community.
 
Canadan said:
Of course they do, but the sample is not a dollar amount, it's a percentage (which I'd assume would not change). The simple point was that caddies are not just guaranteed 10% for their player winning a tournament. It's not 'tradition' or guaranteed.
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No one is saying the 10% should be guaranteed. We’re saying what the caddie got is insulting and the tour, the players and the fans care about how it’s all perceived. In this case, the caddie should’ve gotten way way more.

I’ll leave it at this.....if they agreed upon 3k flat for the week and then the player wins 1.3 million then he should’ve paid no less than 30k but not more than 100k extra. That’s not 10%. 10% would’ve been near 130k. I would’ve paid 50k. Boom. No story, no issues with press, peers, family, friends etc. So this is all Kuchars fault. He made a wrong choice and the longer it takes to rectify then I hope the more he feels it. Maybe some sponsors pull out, maybe he doesn’t win some award that comes with lots of notoriety and ends up paying at least 50k to the caddie. That’ll make everyone take note that in the days of social media you cannot get away with doing things like this. Kuchar’s private jet ride home probably cost 10x what he paid the caddie. He’s a human being.

The truly big time now just pay the caddies a flat fee for the entire year. Lol. Those are big checks nearly 1 million but we’ll never know for sure because Joe LaCava and Bones aren’t talking about what tiger or Phil pays. I’m not sure if Phil pays his brother same as he did bones. But all accounts say they pay around 1 mill a year flat fee.


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OK, couple things. ..... personal attacks, it works really well around here. People are judging this all on what happened and what YOU (each individual) would do in this situation. I am not Kuchar, I am not the caddie and I am not Kuchar's agent (the only 3 players who actually know what happened) so I can't really say what SHOULD have occurred. People feel different and have shared their opinion, but the caddie in this situation was "OWED" nothing more than the $3k flat rate that was agreed upon.

In my opinion is Kuchar a cheapskate for not giving more than a $2k bonus on what a 1.2 (or 1.3) million dollar win? Sure, but again I don't know how the week went. Does Kuchar speak good Spanish? Does the caddie speak good english? Maybe the caddie had horrible gas and Kuchar felt he won despite having this guy on the bag not because of him? Maybe Kuchar has a micropenis and needs all the money for a surgery to get it corrected? Is any of this true? is all of it true? is none of it true? I don't know and neither does anyone posting in this thread because WE WEREN'T INVOLVED.

So sure, we can all have an opinion on whether Kuchar is a cheapskate, or if the Caddie was owed more, but when it all comes down to it, it is all an opinion so lets try to keep it civil.
 
DG_1234 said:
It would be hard to find a caddie who did not receive 10% for a winning LPGA Tour bag.
It would be nearly impossible to find a caddie who did not receive 10% for a winning PGA Tour bag.
The golf pro Tweeter Gillis knows this, as does any experienced Tour pro, and I expect this is why Gillis chose to expose Kuchar. What Kuchar did is basically unheard of because the first place check, plus all the other benefits which go along with a Tour victory, usually make it a pleasure to pay the caddie 10% for a winning bag.
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I'm not sure how you could possibly know this.
 
I have no opinion on the subject, but let me ask a generic question since some are running pretty hot on the subject.

Let's say a player hires a local caddie because his/hers falls ill. He/she knows the course pretty well and they agree to an amount to carry the bag. After about a day, he realizes he is playing really well, has a shot, but the caddie has not helped a single bit. In fact they don't communicate at all. Literally nothing, other than player telling caddie what club and caddie carrying clubs from hole to hole.

Player wins "in spite" of not having any assistance, does he owe the caddie a bonus for the work?
 
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