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I’ve been reading this thread with interest. My only reason for posting this is to lend another voice to the conversation. Read post number 11 from this link and note the date of the article.
https://www.golf.com/tour-and-news/...r-mayakoba-caddie-18-things-to-know-el-tucan/
What JB says above certainly makes sense, from a public perspective.
11. Asked if he made more money than Favela last week, Ortiz said, “I hope so!” He had not yet received or discussed his pay with Kuchar. He knows the standard caddie bonus is 10 percent of the winner’s share. Kuchar earned $1.3 million for his win, his first since 2014.
I'm kind of sick of Gillis sticking his nose in other people's business.
On this point, I have no problem with Kuchar negotiating a deal with El Tucan for a one week job. $5k for the week seems like pretty decent compensation, especially given the market (i.e., Mexico). I also don't think that El Tucan (or anyone else) should expect Kuchar to give him 10% just because he was on the bag that week. 10% makes much more sense when the caddie and player have a season-long relationship. Sometimes the caddie might not get anything if the player misses the cut (I assume, I don't know exactly how that works), and sometimes he'll get 10% of the first place purse. That is the reward for sticking with his guy through thick and thin.
I’d take 5k for a week of carrying a single bag.
yep, but I will admit if my guy won 1.3m i might expect a little more, but honestly its not like Kuchar is a Monday qualifier, he is always on the short list of guys that can win any week, so you would think they would have an understanding before teeing off
I'm kind of sick of Gillis sticking his nose in other people's business.
On this point, I have no problem with Kuchar negotiating a deal with El Tucan for a one week job. $5k for the week seems like pretty decent compensation, especially given the market (i.e., Mexico). I also don't think that El Tucan (or anyone else) should expect Kuchar to give him 10% just because he was on the bag that week. 10% makes much more sense when the caddie and player have a season-long relationship. Sometimes the caddie might not get anything if the player misses the cut (I assume, I don't know exactly how that works), and sometimes he'll get 10% of the first place purse. That is the reward for sticking with his guy through thick and thin.
I think a lot of people are forgetting that the minimum wage in Mexico is 63 cents per hour and a construction worker there makes less than $2 per hour. If Kuch paid him $5,000, a minimum wage worker would have to work 3.8 years to earn that. A professional Mexican worker in an expensive place like Mexico City with a college degree working in the tech industry makes only about $2,000 per month. And that is one of the highest paying jobs in Mexico.
I agree this is between Kuchar and the caddie. Gillis seems bitter and just grasping at issues to stay relevant .
As far as caddies goes, for most (not all) there’s a standard contract that pays a set amount per week/start and am agreed percentage for wins, top 5’s, Top 10’s, etc, are paid out on a siding scale based on player/caddie contract.
I’d take 5k for a week of carrying a single bag.
Tom Gillis is a schmuck.
It’s clear he has an axe to grind and there’s no way in hell this is all about the caddy.
Did more stuff come out? That was my initial take though
Just the above that jstew posted from twitter with Tom talking about being in contact and getting him what he’s owed or whatever.
He (Tom) fits right in with the current mass media, polarize polarize polarize, no need to work for a real story when you can polarize and dramatize.
and so it continues..
While it's bad taste to keep digging and out him, I guess I'm in the minority in that yeah, I'd think less of him if it's true.
I understand what others are saying, his payment relative to minimum wage, previous agreement, etc. But the reverse may perhaps reflect a person taking advantage of another's eagerness to accept less given their less than ideal economic standing in life.
To throw the guy $50k isn't a bead of sweat off his brow. I'd have given him more and I'm not nearly as nice a guy in reality as Kuchar seems to be. But, whatever... not my deal, it was between them.
The amount he tipped is not relative to anything. It was a stand in caddie (who based on what I am reading has some form of language barrier) who got paid more than what he was promised at the onset of the event.
We have NO idea how much of an impact he had on Kuchar during the tournament. Hell, for all we know, the guy pulling bags from his car at the hotel could have had more of an impact. There's just a ton of assuming, a ton of speculation, and zero reason to be involved in how someone perceives what a tip should be.
Would I have done differently? Who the hell knows. A million bucks is a million bucks.
All understood. I didn't offer my opinion to make a point nor with any intention to dispute others' nor change their minds.The amount he tipped is not relative to anything. It was a stand in caddie (who based on what I am reading has some form of language barrier) who got paid more than what he was promised at the onset of the event.
We have NO idea how much of an impact he had on Kuchar during the tournament. Hell, for all we know, the guy pulling bags from his car at the hotel could have had more of an impact. There's just a ton of assuming, a ton of speculation, and zero reason to be involved in how someone perceives what a tip should be.
Would I have done differently? Who the hell knows. A million bucks is a million bucks.