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It's o.k. if we disagree. I think Haney's "stature" is mostly due to his past association with Tiger, same holds true for Foley's "stature" within the golf industry.
As for "frauds", the golf industry is loaded with them For starters, consider that many "instructors", at courses all over the world, are men and women who like golf but don't truly understand the technique for swinging a club. Anyone can declare himself or herself a "professional" and start charging for lessons. The PGA of America does what it can to try and make certain its members are truly qualified, but the reality is that the local PAT (playing ability tests) have long been well known to have guys cheating to pass the qualifying score (usually breaking 80 is needed ). So, at the amateur/club level there is lots of fraud happening with incompetent instructors charging for lessons.
At the "big name" level guys like Hank Haney are on Sirius Golf Radio and Golf Channel telling listeners that "distance is everything"........or "getting fit for clubs is the way to shoot lower scores". Haney receives money for spouting this nonsense, and I believe this constitutes fraud. Or how about Dave Pelz? He is a guy who may not have ever broken 85 yet he was able to parlay his idea(s) for 64* wedges, players carrying 4 and 5 wedges within their bag etc....and promote himself as some sort of "short game guru", and make millions off his schools, short game clinics etc... I don't fault a guy for making a lot of dough, good for him. But it is sad to think about how many players have seen their scoring average go higher and higher in large part to his advocacy of the lob wedges, different wedges for every yardage etc... It's all nonsense yet people buy it because he is a "big name". So I believe that Pelz, like Haney, is a fraud. And in more recent times I think "get fit" is the latest golf industry fraud scam. There are shops all over the place now selling $1,000 plus goods and services (fittings-shafts etc...) to consumers with .10 cent swings. When asked about this fact the owners of the fit shops usually will concede that selling fit may help a guy reduce his 35 yard miss to a 30 yard miss, and I guess that is how the sellers sleep at night. But to me it's fraudulent to take money from a consumer when the "equipment help" he/she receives in return is only about 2% of what he/she really needs for golf improvement, which is lessons and practice.
I respect your point of view. However, It doesnt seem like you place any responsibilty on the student to determine whether something is working for them or not. I dont care how big the name is. If my handicap s going in the wrong direction I am looking for a new teacher. In my case I went to a one day Peltz school years ago. Adopted his chipping and bunker method and it has helped me find an action I can rely on.I have limited time to practice but this method always works. Granted I am not a pro. Or even very good but as good as my time and desire will allow. Peltz didnt strike me as a fraud. Rather, a friendly guy who has done a lot of research. I found it very helpful.
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When I saw this thread pop up in the recent I was like this is still a conversation? He made a dumb remark, he got suspended (which I am surprised he isn't back on the air by now), got some heat, and life goes on. This isn't some in depth conversation about his ability to be a teacher, or coach, or author. This has gone way out into left field.
To start with the Haney stuff is funny and the only statistics that one can view support his success just fine.
A little history on Dave Pelz. He worked for NASA. His students have won over 15 majors.
He played Big 10 college golf on scholarship. He is still a scratch golfer.
To start with the Haney stuff is funny and the only statistics that one can view support his success just fine.
A little history on Dave Pelz. He worked for NASA. His students have won over 15 majors.
He played Big 10 college golf on scholarship. He is still a scratch golfer.
Pretty impressive that he played D1 golf without ever breaking 85!
And he has a bad a** back yard too! Just google it. I’d be ok with that.
Pretty impressive that he played D1 golf without ever breaking 85!
To start with the Haney stuff is funny and the only statistics that one can view support his success just fine.
A little history on Dave Pelz. He worked for NASA. His students have won over 15 majors.
He played Big 10 college golf on scholarship. He is still a scratch golfer.
So what I hear you saying is that Pelz is a fraud. :bananadance:
So they rearranged the schedule and moved The Paulsons up into Haney’s slot. I guess he is done there and they are just keeping it on the DL. It is funny how the news cycles churn and then all the outrage is forgotten with only the wreckage that is left behind.
Hopefully so...more people need to start pushing back at the non-stop outrage mob.
SJWs have completely destroyed comedy...music, TV, and movies aren't far behind. Sports is suffering as well.
Breed today dipped his toe into the "equal pay" nonsense the woke scolds are crying about. If they cancel Breed I'll cancel SiriusXM.
Breed seems like a nice guy, which is great, but I think Sirius Radio should get credible players to host the programs. Legitimate Tour pros such as Craig Stadler and John Cook are ideal golf radio show hosts.
I like his show because its more than about the Tour. He talks just about everything golf and some outside stuff too. I'm not big into what the Tour is doing. Tour players don't get the average man. They are TV entertainment. I'd rather play and to listen to someone who is able to instruct via radio is really appealing. Additionally, his positivism is infectious. Tour stuff is on just about every other show and most of those guys put me to sleep with their monotone commentaries. Saying that, I do get the channel is "PGA Tour Radio."
Hated Norman on Fox, but I actually enjoy his show on Sirius XM. He had the Navy Seal that shot Bin Laden, Rob O'Neill, on the other day. It was a great listen.Good competent instructors don't always translate to good and competent radio show hosts. You have to have a balance. i.e. The Greg Norman disaster of the US Open last year.
Hated Norman on Fox, but I actually enjoy his show on Sirius XM. He had the Navy Seal that shot Bin Laden, Rob O'Neill, on the other day. It was a great listen.
I agree that Haney was probably on his way out soon anyway. His obsession with hammering the USGA was stale and you can only insult your listening audience so so many times before the people that write the checks get tired of that. Haney was notorious for making derogatory marks about anything and everything he even remotely disagreed with. The number of times he called someone an idiot or said it was idiotic is astonishing. His arrogance was overbearing andI got to the point I couldn't listen to him anymore. With that said I don't think what he said about the LPGA tour was all that bad, but I think that Sirius XM was just done with him.
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Heard the O'Neill interview two different times, never actually hearing the full thing once. REALLY sad I didn't, cause holy crap was that an awesome listen. Some of the stories I was like... Yep, you should be dead. How are you not?