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Just be ready for your GIR to go up and your total putts to follow when you start playing on larger greens.Brilliant. Emailing now.
That's simple. Just tell the mx crew to mow the greens larger.
Nine holes on my golf course were designed on/beside roads.Look at the courses. Read the history of courses. Read about the topic on golfclubatlas.com Read books on golf course architecture. Many ways.
Nine holes on my golf course were designed on/beside roads.
Two of the not included holes were designed around the driving range.
All are OB.
Next book?
haha, oh, they definitely hit there sometimes. Especially on 18.Thank God they marked it OB. Now nobody should ever hit over there since everyone hits away from OB.
For the sake of round speed and less complicated rules, make all penalties the same. I don’t want to see hackers like me and my buddies punished more for OB. It slows down the round and adds an unnecessary extra stroke and layer of complexity.
According to your logic, they built the roads in order to put OB challenges for the golf course, rather than route the golf course in the space available next to the roads.Nine holes on my golf course were designed on/beside roads.
Two of the not included holes were designed around the driving range.
All are OB.
Next book?
That is not even close to my logic lmaoAccording to your logic, they built the roads in order to put OB challenges for the golf course, rather than route the golf course in the space available next to the roads.
Phil would have played his from the gravel....It needs to be adjusted. While his ball was considered OB by the line, it was playable in that instance and not in any danger. There was plenty of room between the ball and the gravel of the RR tracks. They could have just used the gravel of the RR tracks as the out of bounds line and said anything resting on gravel will be deemed OB.
If you’re playing with me I’ll call it whatever you want me to call it. But if I hit that on my approach shot, you better call it a nice shotIf we change the OB rule can we change these to GIR?
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As a guy who has lost a dozen balls in a round, I agree with this statement. Heck, that round already cost me a ton of money, why have the 140 written on the score card too.And I'm not sure I am totally sold on OB being a two stroke penalty, but I do understand why it would be.
Why should it be harsher? What is the difference if it is OB off the course or in the bottom of a pond, from the aspect of the strategy and execution of playing a golf hole?The way I see it, Out Of Bounds is outside the boundary of the hole/course, therefore the penalty should be harsher than hitting a hazard within the boundary of the course
I can think of 2 courses immediately that I play that have holes that dogleg around an OB area (range on one course, farmers field on another)
How about we leave OB alone and we stop whining about it?
I've said it before...disaster lurks on the golf course and one swing can bring ruin as it has for all the years I've played and watched the game. Now some of you want to eliminate that?
Toughen up buttercups; golf is hard. Don't hit it OB.
This has nothing to do with the strategy and execution of playing a golf hole - a hazard is an obstacle to be avoided whilst getting from tee to green, whereas OB defines the limits of the playing areaWhy should it be harsher? What is the difference if it is OB off the course or in the bottom of a pond, from the aspect of the strategy and execution of playing a golf hole?
That is a conclosory statement not supported by a good reason. The bottom of a pond is not a physically playable part of the course. There is no substantive difference.This has nothing to do with the strategy and execution of playing a golf hole - a hazard is an obstacle to be avoided whilst getting from tee to green, whereas OB defines the limits of the playing area
If you leave the limits of the playing area you should be penalised more than if you just find an obstacle on the course
So it’s true, the ROG are not chiseled in stone.Good Digest article (yes, I know!) on the history of it. Once OB was a THREE stroke penalty!
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Many average golfers either don't understand that rule or refuse to observe it. They "drop one" on the course near the spot where they figure their first shot disappeared, add a stroke, and play from there.
Stroke and distance was part of golf's original list of rules, in 1744, but during subsequent decades and centuries it was repeatedly modified, dropped, resurrected, and modified again. Sometimes you counted only the bad stroke and the do-over; sometimes you added a penalty but got a drop. The most severe version was adopted by the Royal & Ancient Golf Club of St. Andrews in 1842: three strokes and distance, meaning that if you hit a ball out of bounds your next stroke, played from the spot where you struck your first, counted as your fifth. That lasted until 1846.
In 1951, the R & A and the USGA agreed to apply the single-stroke-and-distance penalty universally. But there was still plenty of grumbling, and in 1959 the Southern California Golf Association, with the support of 90 per cent of its members, adopted a local rule eliminating what it described as the "unfair penalty stroke in connection with ball out of bounds, lost ball and unplayable lie." Thenceforth, in Southern California, if you did something stupid the assessment was "stroke only." You counted the bad shot and the replay (from the original spot), but nothing in between.
The California revolt had some prominent supporters -- among them Gene Sarazen, who told Golf Digest, "Golf is a game of luck. The stroke and distance penalty gives luck extra value. A guy gets into trouble at the wrong time or on the wrong hole and it is the equivalent of two strokes added to his card. The population is growing and taking up more space, so out-of-bounds holes are increasing. The double penalty rule is entirely unnecessary."
The USGA relented for a year, in 1960, but the stroke-only faction ultimately lost out, and the current rule, with minor tinkering, has been in place all over the world since 1968. But who knows? Maybe the governing bodies will come around to Sarazen's point of view.
How about we leave OB alone and we stop whining about it?
I've said it before...disaster lurks on the golf course and one swing can bring ruin as it has for all the years I've played and watched the game. Now some of you want to eliminate that?
Toughen up buttercups; golf is hard. Don't hit it OB.
I know, let's make golf even harder. Not only should OB be more penal but let's make penalty areas tougher too. If you hit your ball into a penalty area, you have NO CHOICE but to hit out of it. Can't see it at the bottom of the pond? Tough break for you.You make a compelling argument. I think we should also revert all the latest changes back to the "good ole days" to make it even harder. This game should be hard. I think we should get rid of graphite shafts, woods should really be made of wood, and get rid of all of these pansy-ass carts. Walking is the only true way to play golf. Riding on an electric mobile thingy is cheating.
After all, if there is one thing we can all agree on, is that golf is to easy with all of us hitting 350 yard drives, 15k spin balls, and greens that are absolutely flat.
Side note: Nobody wants to eliminate "ruin on the golf course". The difficulty in NOT hitting the ball into the OB or Hazard doesn't change magically because it is 1 stroke vs 2 stroke penalty. Does it affect a golfers attitude? Possibly. But I still postulate that golfers good enough to change their targets effectively due to beign 1 stroke vs 2 stroke penalty PROBABLY weren't going in there to begin with. The folks not good enough to control the shot won't be impacted either since they can't control it even if it was a 3 stroke penalty.
Counter argument: As @HipCheck mentioned in his post, should OB actually go back to a 3 stroke penalty from 1846? Would that offer MORE protection and safety for off course excursions in today's long hitter, house encroachment, era of golf?
A pond is an obstacle within the confines of the course designed to be avoided and is completely different to being outside of the course boundaryThat is a conclosory statement not supported by a good reason. The bottom of a pond is not a physically playable part of the course. There is no substantive difference.