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Nice video Dan! I could use the forgiveness for sure and that full face option is really intriguing.
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What if you play a set of cavity back irons that doesn't have a set GW? Also, if it's a player CB, what makes it more forgiving than the CBX2 wedge? Painting a rather broad stroke there, no?
I would never recommend using cavity back wedges for sand or lob wedges. These are clubs where touch and feel should be valued over full shot forgiveness.
Great content, guys. The Soft Feel combo with those wedges was really interesting to see. Feels like not enough club reviews use the ball (s) people who play particular clubs actually use. I really liked that. Interesting numbers as well.
I'm big on forgiveness in wedges for most people and have been screaming it this entire year. Hopefully a few more eyes have been opened. Good stuff.
Disregard everything I’ve said. I was thinking the left column was club head speed bc low 90’s is what I’d expect from your swing out of a wedge seeing past videos. I didn’t even look up on that column to see it was ball speed. My bad.what do you mean by 'kept swings'? We didn't throw away anything - Would defeat the purpose.
Also; ball speed is a representation of strike quality in most conditions, no? If I'm hitting nearly identical profiles, it's not like I'll be swinging faster with one or the other. Is that not a perfect representation of the improved consistency of CBX2?
I been thinking of this also. I recently bought an RTX-4 just before the zip core came out. I have it in 50/10-Mid. I still have Tour Edge 56 and 60. I will probably swap out the TE 56 with the CBX2 and more than likely full grind. (just the opposite of what this post suggests). I really cannot give you a good reason other than maybe for greenside bunker.Great topic, and this is a comparison I've been wondering about for a while.
Question. Seems like the CBX2 is made for full shots while the Zipcore would be for working the ball a bit more. Would you think a good option for people who are creative around the green would be to get the Zipcore in a higher loft for greenside shots, then the CBX2 in a lower loft to pair more for shots that require a full swing? I see most people wanting the same set of wedges throughout, but this data might suggest going that route could have some benefits.
Great video!
These comments are a little bit baffling to me - Maybe because we perceive the game differently. Is there a skill threshold that says someone doesn't benefit from a cavity back product? Where does the line get drawn? Rickie Fowler used an SGI 4 iron last year on tour, should he turn in his tour card?The market that cavity back wedges are targeting would be better served by their set GW in almost all situations.
If someone is good enough to play cavity back irons they should not need the added help of a cavity back gap wedge.
I would never recommend using cavity back wedges for sand or lob wedges. These are clubs where touch and feel should be valued over full shot forgiveness.
I would also never recommmend mixing wedges i.e. a Set PW, 50 CBX then 54/58 zipcore. Too much variation in feel etc.
and sometimes the reverse is true. I hit my Icon's better than my EXi's, my Titleist MB 5 iron better than either of the others. Granted, my skill level is not nearly as good as many, consistency varies, but I know which feel and play better. of course, we are really talking abut wedges here.These comments are a little bit baffling to me - Maybe because we perceive the game differently. Is there a skill threshold that says someone doesn't benefit from a cavity back product? Where does the line get drawn? Rickie Fowler used an SGI 4 iron last year on tour, should he turn in his tour card?
Also, if someone uses a CB iron in the PW, why does that automagically requires the next club in his bag to be a bladed wedge? I'll absolutely concede that there are benefits to set-based wedges, but I also think a lot of golfers like having three 'wedges' in their bag unique to their irons.
Furthering this, after hitting five shots with each, in a fairly small dispersion pattern on both faces, I saw better ball speed, tighter dispersion, and what I would potentially argue to be more enjoyable 'feel' using the CBX2 from a personal perspective.
I also have a better-than-scratch handicap based on GHIN at the moment. Am I ineligible to benefit from these, despite what the video presents?
I think the point is more about totally eliminating a segment of golfers from a product like this purely based on skill level, which i think is a reach.and sometimes the reverse is true. I hit my Icon's better than my EXi's, my Titleist MB 5 iron better than either of the others. Granted, my skill level is not nearly as good as many, consistency varies, but I know which feel and play better. of course, we are really talking abut wedges here.
Stone cold truth.I think the point is more about totally eliminating a segment of golfers from a product like this purely based on skill level, which i think is a reach.
What I do appreciate, is that we all have differing levels of perspective on what we 'can' or 'should' play. Whether it's mental, whether it's results driven, whether it's purely trying to look cool - I'm good with that at the individual level. But to eliminate based on skill? No thanks.
Thanks for watching!Great video, very interesting to see how consistent the CBX is. I'm a bit surprised at how close the 2 were in distance, I was expecting a blended set might cause gapping issues with wedges but they look pretty close. As a high handicapper this is just more evidence that I need to look at these for my next wedges set. I'm thinking about going with a blended set with 2 CBX wedges for full shots and a blade style wedge for short game.
I think we're considering a specific threshold that doesn't get talked about enough, and that's the ability to hit the intended shot without it being at the 'cost' of something like perceived 'control' or direction.I watched the video a second time and i looked at your pictures of impact. With how consistent your impact is. Which is impressive.
with the consistency of impact are we testing forgiveness? Or just that a higher moi parameter weighted wedges may be more efficient?
Discussion is good!Your a better golfer than I am for sure. I don’t question that. And I agree that forgiveness is important in everyone’s game and that a “forgiving” club probably execute 95% or more any shot a more “precision” geared club could.
I agree with all of that. Just have some other thoughts and questions going through my small brain as well...
just don’t want them to come across challenging as they are not. Just curious to discuss..
I absolutely LOVE debating the crazy nuances of the golf game. Especially when they force us to think in a way that isn't normally presented. It's very fun for me.Your a better golfer than I am for sure. I don’t question that. And I agree that forgiveness is important in everyone’s game and that a “forgiving” club probably execute 95% or more any shot a more “precision” geared club could.
I agree with all of that. Just have some other thoughts and questions going through my small brain as well...
just don’t want them to come across challenging as they are not. Just curious to discuss..
I absolutely LOVE debating the crazy nuances of the golf game. Especially when they force us to think in a way that isn't normally presented. It's very fun for me.
Glad you're engaging in it.