Swing Thoughts
Far as I know, people's brains are in their heads and it is the brain that sends electrical impulses to our muscles causing movement. Our hands are just slaves to our brain just like the rest of our body.
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Lane, I don't think we are against your content. It's just the way you are communicating it. I am sure it's because you found something that works and you want to share it. That's great. But, your delivery is off and some of your responses are sarcastic and just in bad taste. What's really cool about THP is how people are supportive and respectful of each others ideas and comments. That's hard to find in a golf forum.
Turtlerancher,
You are exactly correct. The amazing human brain constantly sends commands to it’s dominant hands to perform task . Most of these are in our subconscious mind and our hands carry out these orders unquestionably. The body will ALWAYS obey the commands of it‘s dominant hands unquestionably. The body will always accommodate the path that it’s hands desire to travel .
You are exactly correct. The amazing human brain constantly sends commands to it’s dominant hands to perform task . Most of these are in our subconscious mind and our hands carry out these orders unquestionably. The body will ALWAYS obey the commands of it‘s dominant hands unquestionably. The body will always accommodate the path that it’s hands desire to travel .
Luchnia
You will never conquer golf.
It is a simple but fascinating process - repetition or practice brings improvement. Greg Norman was once asked by a radio announcer how long it took him to get a new golf shot down and his response was 10 thousand golf balls and he would have the shot down.
It is said that Moe Norman hit 800 balls a day while he was learning. Most great golfers worked extremely hard at the game and learned what works best for them. I enjoy golf, but don't think I could have ever put that type of effort into it even when I was a young man.
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the research doesn't apply to me. I'm left handed so the right side of the brain controls mine. 2. I would never, NEVER listen to anyone that said the palm of the rear hand is facing up all the way thru the golf swing. I say rear to keep from righty/lefty confusion. , Now most of the way down, yeah, but not all the way thru. I've read golf instruction, as well as archery and other things for years and years substituting left for right and right for left.
3. I don't think you control the hands in a golf down swing, they're along for the ride after having been setup in the back swing unless the control is to keep them out of the golf swing.
4. I think I'll take your previous suggestion.
Your goat doesn't keep his rear palm skyward.
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Stop contradicting yourself and talking in circles, one post says your hands next states your brain sends signals.
I know my brain sends a signal to start a backswing with a weight shift and a turning of my torso as my body coils from the bottom up. Downswing starts the same, weight shift forward followed by a firing of my hips, the rest just follows.
Turtlerancher,
I would suggest you stop repeating what you hear or read from others and do some research on your own . When I hear and read this * *coiling and uncoiling * crap from so - called swing experts i immediately know they have little , if any, knowledge about how the human body functions. Snakes and springs ** coil **, muscles can only ** stretch ** and * PULL .* and they are constantly pulling on our 206 bones to form levers.
Studying research done years ago by Dr. Wayne Penfield * Cortical Homunculus * is good place to start educating oneself so you will be armed with the -FACTS.
Wishing you Good luck !
I would suggest you stop repeating what you hear or read from others and do some research on your own . When I hear and read this * *coiling and uncoiling * crap from so - called swing experts i immediately know they have little , if any, knowledge about how the human body functions. Snakes and springs ** coil **, muscles can only ** stretch ** and * PULL .* and they are constantly pulling on our 206 bones to form levers.
Studying research done years ago by Dr. Wayne Penfield * Cortical Homunculus * is good place to start educating oneself so you will be armed with the -FACTS.
Wishing you Good luck !
razaar
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2. I would never, NEVER listen to anyone that said the palm of the rear hand is facing up all the way thru the golf swing. I say rear to keep from righty/lefty confusion. , Now most of the way down, yeah, but not all the way thru. I've read golf instruction, as well as archery and other things for years and years substituting left for right and right for left.
3. I don't think you control the hands in a golf down swing, they're along for the ride after having been setup in the back swing unless the control is to keep them out of the golf swing.
4. I think I'll take your previous suggestion.
Your goat doesn't keep his rear palm skyward.
A video of David Duval when he was No.1 would reveal that his rear palm faced upwards throughout the downswing. Duval had the strongest grip coupled with an internally rotated left shoulder (the elbow pointing at the target) which made the grip setup even stronger. He needed to return to impact with the left palm down /right palm up to square the clubface. He played with a power fade.
He went to David Leadbetter and then to Hank Haney and changed to a weaker grip. Then lost his game like many No1s who go down this path.
Looks to me he came back to impact position. Not facing up. Maybe not exactly facing the target, but not holding a serving platter either. He had one of the most extreme body rotations in history.
almost normal pga position just with the stronger grip
rolled over back to impact position. Yes, it was in a strong position, but I wouldn't call it facing the sky like the middle picture is. You can see the back of his hand.
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snakes coil with their muscles. why can't humans use their muscle to get into a strike position; coiled? It may not look like a snake, but the body is stretched and loaded and ready to be released just as a spring is stretched/compressed and ready to release it's energy.
May not be the exact term that needs to be used, but people(reasonable people) know what they are speaking of.
I fully understand stand the stretching and compression in my muscles when I "coil" since I do have a knowledge of Kinesiology from competitive swimming, downhill racing and, soccer. I am also quite capable of independent thought and reaching my own conclusions. I would suggest you take your own advice and stop repeating the same "crap" over and over that you have read!
PS: You still haven't answered my question, is it the hands or brain that sends signal to the body? You have stated both!
I kinda asked that question on, I believe, page 4. all I got was "good questions". good luck!I fully understand stand the stretching and compression in my muscles when I "coil" since I do have a knowledge of Kinesiology from competitive swimming, downhill racing and, soccer. I am also quite capable of independent thought and reaching my own conclusions. I would suggest you take your own advice and stop repeating the same "crap" over and over that you have read!
PS: You still haven't answered my question, is it the hands or brain that sends signal to the body? You have stated both!
Oh I can be stubborn, just ask my wife!
Luchnia
You will never conquer golf.
IMO you just took some good old basic 1 plus 1 common sense and laid it on the table. Brains sends the info to the muscles. It may be complex in all that it does, but it is simple too. Often we find simple truth to outweigh the thought garbage.Oh I can be stubborn, just ask my wife!
I keep thinking about the hands to the mouth thing and the watch facing up to the sky and how they have absolutely NOTHING to do with a good golf swing. I see guys nut a golf ball with all types of swings. Even saw a guy with his right hand almost under the club!
My youngest son at 38 yrs swings a golf club like a baseball swing and he can smoke some ridiculous drives. Clocked his SS the other day at 115.9 - not bad for a 38 year old. He called me the other day and told me he was in a charity tourney and they had a "drive off" and he got one out there to 322, but he was beat out 3 yards by a younger guy hitting one 325.
This whole thing is kind of like saying, if you put your hands to your mouth, then when you drive a nail with a hammer it is the same function. Who swings a hammer driving a nail like they would put food to their mouths? I could go on a rant, but 'nuff stated.
and I thought I was the only one!IMO you just took some good old basic 1 plus 1 common sense and laid it on the table. Brains sends the info to the muscles. It may be complex in all that it does, but it is simple too. Often we find simple truth to outweigh the thought garbage.
I keep thinking about the hands to the mouth thing and the watch facing up to the sky and how they have absolutely NOTHING to do with a good golf swing. I see guys nut a golf ball with all types of swings. Even saw a guy with his right hand almost under the club!
My youngest son at 38 yrs swings a golf club like a baseball swing and he can smoke some ridiculous drives. Clocked his SS the other day at 115.9 - not bad for a 38 year old. He called me the other day and told me he was in a charity tourney and they had a "drive off" and he got one out there to 322, but he was beat out 3 yards by a younger guy hitting one 325.
This whole thing is kind of like saying, if you put your hands to your mouth, then when you drive a nail with a hammer it is the same function. Who swings a hammer driving a nail like they would put food to their mouths? I could go on a rant, but 'nuff stated.
dang, didn't mean to upset YOU! Why you stick your tongue out at me??Oh I can be stubborn, just ask my wife!
btw; go team hackers!
R,
How many times do I have to say it ? How many different illustrations do I have to make ——
OF COURSE THE BRAIN MAKE * CONTROLS * EVERYTHING AND SENDS MESSAGES TO THE BODY TO PERFORM THEM !!! !
BUT - WHAT PART OF THE BODY RECEIVES THOSE MESSAGES AND CARRIES THEM OUT ? IS IT YOUR FEET, LEGS, HIPS , TOES , NOSE, ANKLES , SHOULDERS, ELBOWS , ETC; ? DID ANY OF THOSE TYPE YOUR REPLY TO ME? DO THEY STEER YOUR CAR FOR YOU ? DO THEY CUT YOUR STEAK ? DO THEY TIE YOUR SHOES FOR YOU ? DO THEY OPEN THE DOOR , BUTTON SHIRTS, BRUSH TEETH ? WERE YOU BORN ALREADY KNOWING HOW TO TIE SHOELACES AND TIES ? MAYBE YOU WERE DIFFERENT THAN MOST ? WERE YOU BORN WITH THE ABILITY TO BRING FOOD TO YOUR MOUTH WITHOUT EVER MISSING IT - OR , NOT LIKE THE REST OF US NORMAL HUMANS WHO HAD TO TEACH OUR *** DOMINATE HANDS *** WHERE OUR MOUTH WAS LOCATED AND HOW TO HOLD THAT IMPLEMENT USED FOR THE TASK !
I wish that was born in us. I had to wipe lots of food off my children’s chin, cheeks and nose .
PLEASE INFORM ME WHICH ONE OF THOSE PERFORMS THE MILLIONS OF EVERYDAY TASK FOR YOU ? Obviously, it is NOT YOUR HANDS , YOU SAY ? SO - WHAT IS IT ?
How many times do I have to say it ? How many different illustrations do I have to make ——
OF COURSE THE BRAIN MAKE * CONTROLS * EVERYTHING AND SENDS MESSAGES TO THE BODY TO PERFORM THEM !!! !
BUT - WHAT PART OF THE BODY RECEIVES THOSE MESSAGES AND CARRIES THEM OUT ? IS IT YOUR FEET, LEGS, HIPS , TOES , NOSE, ANKLES , SHOULDERS, ELBOWS , ETC; ? DID ANY OF THOSE TYPE YOUR REPLY TO ME? DO THEY STEER YOUR CAR FOR YOU ? DO THEY CUT YOUR STEAK ? DO THEY TIE YOUR SHOES FOR YOU ? DO THEY OPEN THE DOOR , BUTTON SHIRTS, BRUSH TEETH ? WERE YOU BORN ALREADY KNOWING HOW TO TIE SHOELACES AND TIES ? MAYBE YOU WERE DIFFERENT THAN MOST ? WERE YOU BORN WITH THE ABILITY TO BRING FOOD TO YOUR MOUTH WITHOUT EVER MISSING IT - OR , NOT LIKE THE REST OF US NORMAL HUMANS WHO HAD TO TEACH OUR *** DOMINATE HANDS *** WHERE OUR MOUTH WAS LOCATED AND HOW TO HOLD THAT IMPLEMENT USED FOR THE TASK !
I wish that was born in us. I had to wipe lots of food off my children’s chin, cheeks and nose .
PLEASE INFORM ME WHICH ONE OF THOSE PERFORMS THE MILLIONS OF EVERYDAY TASK FOR YOU ? Obviously, it is NOT YOUR HANDS , YOU SAY ? SO - WHAT IS IT ?
My hands made me do it!dang, didn't mean to upset YOU! Why you stick your tongue out at me??
btw; go team hackers!
you answering me from page 4 or are you just as confused on who you're talking to??
at least 5 more pages worth!
you wry dog!My hands made me do it!
Turtlerancher,
— I am just trying to share some special stuff I have learned. Things that helped me score my age and under since I was 67 and I am 82 now and scoring under my age is automatic from the member tees. My upcoming knee surgery will curtail my golf for a while. I am used to hitting hundreds of balls daily . I am addicted .
— I am just trying to share some special stuff I have learned. Things that helped me score my age and under since I was 67 and I am 82 now and scoring under my age is automatic from the member tees. My upcoming knee surgery will curtail my golf for a while. I am used to hitting hundreds of balls daily . I am addicted .Luchnia,
Matt Kuchar ( the walking ATM Machine ) and Mr. 59 below seem to understand how the hands should perform . They understand that the HANDS do not square the face . When the lever is still intact at 90 degrees between his arms and shaft this far in his DS David is aware that his rotating torso will square it. To late to change or alter the process he programmed before bring the lever down.
Matt Kuchar ( the walking ATM Machine ) and Mr. 59 below seem to understand how the hands should perform . They understand that the HANDS do not square the face . When the lever is still intact at 90 degrees between his arms and shaft this far in his DS David is aware that his rotating torso will square it. To late to change or alter the process he programmed before bring the lever down.
