Sometimes the needle points to E, and yes, the tank does in fact appear to be empty. Been sputtering for awhile now.
The Liv Golf Rumor and News Thread
Yeah I think LIV would get waaaay more benefit signing Tiger over Rory. I wonder what Tigers price would be?
MrDC
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Obviously this Rory thing was an act of desperation by LIV, why else do it? not a good sign for them, they needed to stir the pot and get people talking about LIV, even if it was BS.
So LIV controls the media rumors? Rory says he hasn't talked numbers at all with LIV so are you saying that LIV planted a story that they offered $850 million?
Birdieputt
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Hmmm Rory stiffs the DP World Tour but then gets exemption so he can still play the Ryder Cup. Playing the PGAT full time and living in Florida. I wouldn't take anything this guys says with a whole lot of confidence.
MrDC
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City A.M. started the rumor but they haven't commented on their source, nor will they of course, but who else would do it? kinda obvious.
So LIV started a rumor that Rory was close to $850 million contract when each side has not exchanged numbers?
CrashTestDummy
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What he didn't say was that he wouldn't play LIV events. If there is a deal, it has been looking like PGA players will be allowed to play LIV and vice versa. I think there is going to be a deal, but it is just taking a long time determining how to integrate the PGA and LIV.
So there is a rumor about a rumor? It's the Internet where grains of salt are the size of boulders.So LIV started a rumor that Rory was close to $850 million contract when each side has not exchanged numbers?
It must be true if it's on the internet or on social media
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Tiger is the reason the PIF negations broke down and the SSG deal was accomplished.
What does TW care if the PGAT takes a significant revenue hit. He got his billion and with his inability to compete has his sights set on TGL for more personal revenue.
The PIF got played and should've stayed the course in court because PGAT being a monopoly is a slam dunk.
The Saudi's was winning with the legal fees the PGAT was incurring.
Fred Ridley says he likes the ecosystem but it's a closed system to LIV golf.
LIV has many paths to be on the roster so spare me LIV being a closed shop.
In the end greed will be the PGAT demise, viewership is down and purses are up which is not a long term sustainable plan.
The Rory thing always felt odd to me unless as i mentioned before it was purely spiteful.
850M is a ton of guacamole....But Rory has a partnership with the PGA for TMRW sports and equity in that company, that's gotta be worth a lot. He has other equity deals that the PGA helped set up for him, allegedly.
All of his sponsorships and on course stuff....didn't he make 120M or so last year.
Wouldn't Rory's stake in TMRW sports be pretty large?
He's one of the few guys where i'm not even sure LIV could make him an offer big enough
850M is a ton of guacamole....But Rory has a partnership with the PGA for TMRW sports and equity in that company, that's gotta be worth a lot. He has other equity deals that the PGA helped set up for him, allegedly.
All of his sponsorships and on course stuff....didn't he make 120M or so last year.
Wouldn't Rory's stake in TMRW sports be pretty large?
He's one of the few guys where i'm not even sure LIV could make him an offer big enough
I would like to see younger players on the PGAT share in some of Rory's fame. Something like RF did.
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54 hole Clutch Pro Tour now getting OWGR points, but they're a dev tour so I think it's fair, and they comply in every other way.
It's always been a problem for LIV to only have 54 holes, but not the biggest issue IMO, Clutch Pro has a cut, has a qualifier, and I think about 130 players at the events, those are very big reasons to get points, LIV and their fans may not care about this issue anymore but it seems to me that the 54 holes has always been the most pressing issue, and it's arguably the least.
It's always been a problem for LIV to only have 54 holes, but not the biggest issue IMO, Clutch Pro has a cut, has a qualifier, and I think about 130 players at the events, those are very big reasons to get points, LIV and their fans may not care about this issue anymore but it seems to me that the 54 holes has always been the most pressing issue, and it's arguably the least.
Birdieputt
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so 54 hole tournaments get points. Invitationals and no cut tournaments get points. LIV does not get points. This system is corrupt and needs to go.
Except they have a 36 hole cut and qualifying process and spent 17 months working with the OWGRs for approval vs LIV who just expected to be given the approval. All you are looking at is the 54 holes. Thats where the comparisons end.
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Foltzy made the best argument about the 54 holes and he used Ludvig Aberg as an example. Aberg earned his spot on the PGAT by playing in 54-hole individual and team competitions. Aberg is ranked #6 so this qualification system worked in getting a top player.
Why is it okay for the PGAT to use this 54-hole criteria to grant a PGAT card but it's not good enough for OWGR?
Also, it's much harder to win a 54-hole event than a 72-hole event with the same size field. There is very little room for error, you could be out of the individual competition after the first round. At least in LIV the players who are out of the individual still have something to play for as all scores count towards the team score.
Nick Dunlap was over 20 strokes back in that limited-field event that Scottie won. Going into the final round that far back what was the motivation to play your best? He was guaranteed Fed Ex points, OWGR rankings, and a paycheck. in LIV only the top 24 get points.
I hope the Saudis spend every drop of oil they have not giving in to the corrupt golf establishment so they can reap what they sow.
Why is it okay for the PGAT to use this 54-hole criteria to grant a PGAT card but it's not good enough for OWGR?
Also, it's much harder to win a 54-hole event than a 72-hole event with the same size field. There is very little room for error, you could be out of the individual competition after the first round. At least in LIV the players who are out of the individual still have something to play for as all scores count towards the team score.
Nick Dunlap was over 20 strokes back in that limited-field event that Scottie won. Going into the final round that far back what was the motivation to play your best? He was guaranteed Fed Ex points, OWGR rankings, and a paycheck. in LIV only the top 24 get points.
I hope the Saudis spend every drop of oil they have not giving in to the corrupt golf establishment so they can reap what they sow.
Two advantages to the shot gun start are, first, everyone plays in the same conditions so there is no luck of the morning or afternoon draw, and second, if there is a play off, the players are all warmed up, and no waiting around for someone if he posted a low score earlier in the day.
The player who has finished dead last in nearly every one of his LIV starts isn’t on a team
https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2024/04/30/2024-liv-golf-chicago-bolingbrook-illinois/
Played this course a few years ago. Be interesting to see how it plays for the pros.
Played this course a few years ago. Be interesting to see how it plays for the pros.
CrashTestDummy
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Blackrock (biggest investment firm on the planet) is doing business with PIF. Where is the outrage? Only praise and describing it as a smart business decision. But, but when pro golfers do business with PIF all heck breaks loose. Funny how that works. Just pointing out the hypocrisy. 
finance.yahoo.com
BlackRock to launch PIF-backed Saudi investment platform
The world's largest asset manager BlackRock said on Tuesday it plans to launch a new investment platform in Saudi Arabia, backed by up to $5 billion from Saudi sovereign wealth fund the Public Investment Fund (PIF). BlackRock and PIF said they had signed a memorandum of understanding under...
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The guy who hasn't touched a club in 12 years finished last once in the 4 events he played. Impressive.
I predict he will be on a team in 2025.
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There was also no outrage when the PIF got involved in women's Pro golf.Blackrock (biggest investment firm on the planet) is doing business with PIF. Where is the outrage? Only praise and describing it as a smart business decision. But, but when pro golfers do business with PIF all heck breaks loose. Funny how that works. Just pointing out the hypocrisy.
BlackRock to launch PIF-backed Saudi investment platform
The world's largest asset manager BlackRock said on Tuesday it plans to launch a new investment platform in Saudi Arabia, backed by up to $5 billion from Saudi sovereign wealth fund the Public Investment Fund (PIF). BlackRock and PIF said they had signed a memorandum of understanding under...
Instead of taking the phone call and letting PIF invest billions into Pro golf Jay thought division and civil war was the best course of action.
Amazing.
MrDC
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That's because nobody cares about women's golf, they have a handful of fans compared to the men.
Show me the other men's pro sports players getting paid 100% by the Saudis, and we'll send some outrage towards them, otherwise please stop with all this redirection BS, nobody is changing their minds about LIV because of these weak arguments.
Show me the other men's pro sports players getting paid 100% by the Saudis, and we'll send some outrage towards them, otherwise please stop with all this redirection BS, nobody is changing their minds about LIV because of these weak arguments.