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Corona Virus/COVID19: Local Impact

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LICC said:
Covid is far worse than the flu. I can't imagine to what data you are referring.
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It’s the ratio of deaths. I am not sure that’s the best measure though because we are doing so much to reduce spread that it isn’t apples to apples.
 
Desmond said:
Look, I know that I won't persuade or evidence won't persuade, or even being conservative, won't persuade those who don't want to wear masks.

I get it - you don't believe you may hurt others although CDC asks one to wear a mask, and you don't believe there is a chance in hell that you'll infect others.

Good luck with that... hope you are right for those who are around you.
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I have a question, D. Is there a basic need to be in public right now? It is not entirely optional?

During the Rona pandemic, I've avoided almost all store activity. In a two person house, my wife is the only one (generally) who has been doing the grocery shopping, which is the location where we would be most exposed. She does so while wearing a mask..... but then we go out in the car to our local downtown and see people of all ages, by the hundreds, walking around each other, being outside. Mask wearers are rarely more than 20-30%, but they are definitely out there.

For those who are NOT wearing masks in parks and social spaces, is it really something to be mad at? If there is a real concern about being infected, isn't staying inside, or staying on your property the most absolute and viable solution here?
 
tequila4kapp said:
That has to be a joke. If not...I can’t really say what I’m thinking
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I'm assuming someone capable of using elastic bands in such an elaborate way would know better than that, but it's funny as hell either way lmao

Like the lady with the mask on with the middle cut out hahaha. Absolutely 100% nailed it.
 
Desmond said:
Look, I know that I won't persuade or evidence won't persuade, or even being conservative, won't persuade those who don't want to wear masks.

I get it - you don't believe you may hurt others although CDC asks one to wear a mask, and you don't believe there is a chance in hell that you'll infect others. A mask is really not that much of an inconvenience when you go inside or in crowds. It's a balance and the cost to wearing one in certaiin siituations is relatively low.

But good luck with that... hope you are right for those who are around you.
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Again, stop with the fear mongering.
 
RayG said:
Jeez, faster rounds with single carts? You would think so, but yesterday didn’t appear to jive with that scenario. My guess is fewer carts meant that: 1- people waiting longer to tee off because they’re waiting for a cart to turn over. 2: because people THINK there are fewer people out, they don’t need to “move things along”, especially when there are a lot more walkers out. Even though they obviously saw the ‘crowd’ waiting around the Pro shop. Usually nobody standing around, 15-20 yesterday (generally keeping SD apart). While some were waiting for carts, the walkers had to wait for the carts as well to keep the pairing sheets in order. I think personally, that the walkers should have been put out as a group on their own and the cart folks get out when they can.
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In 35 years of golf I've never witnessed anything that would make me think carts are faster, at least when there are 2 people in them. The walkers are almost always as fast or faster, myself included. What has helped where I am is they're increased the amount of time between tee times. It's something like 12 minutes at one course and that has done wonders, but it also means fewer golfers on the course at any given time so it's surely costing them money. You want a quick and easy fix to 5+ hour rounds? There's your solution.
 
PuffChippy said:
In 35 years of golf I've never witnessed anything that would make me think carts are faster, at least when there are 2 people in them. The walkers are almost always as fast or faster, myself included. What has helped where I am is they're increased the amount of time between tee times. It's something like 12 minutes at one course and that has done wonders, but it also means fewer golfers on the course at any given time so it's surely costing them money. You want a quick and easy fix to 5+ hour rounds? There's your solution.
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Completely geography based. There are many courses that are still faster with two in a cart including my home course. Very much based on space between green and tee box.

And almost all courses are faster with singles on carts, as length gets longer
 
We went to a buffet restaurant the other day and saw a couple walking in wearing masks.

To a buffet.

Where you're going to touch serving utensils used by hundreds of other people, and presumably, you're going to eat. How you gonna eat wearing a mask? What possible good is this other than virtue signaling?

The buffet had disposable plastic gloves available for people to use when handling the utensils, hand sanitizer stations, and all the servers were wearing masks. But you're still going into a place where you're going to eat, so you're going to have to take your mask off to do that.
 
Turned on the news this morning to see a report that two Canadian hospitals failed to properly process approximately 700 positive covid-19 tests due to confusion at to which one's responsibility it was. Talk about a missed opportunity:banghead:
 
e1iterate said:
Again, stop with the fear mongering.
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is it really fear mongering? The man is concerned, and using the data he believes to be accurate to share his concerns in here.

There's nothing wrong with that, nor is there anything wrong with having a completely different perspective on it, especially when the data that is available is laced with inaccuracies, holes, and counter arguments that appear (on paper) to be just as viable.

Not really quoting you directly here, but worth jumping in I think. It's critical that while we engage with each other and try to persuade one way or the other, that we respect each other. We're all grownups, who make our own decisions, and I see where both of you are coming from. I think we're lucky for technology today considering that outside of go-into-work locations, we can do most everything else online and be absolutely safe if that is our goal.

Everything else is an inherent risk. A meteor falling from the sky. A drunk driver jumping the median. A sneeze that explodes a vessel. Killer bees.
 
LICC said:
Correct, data showing the shutdowns reduced the Covid spread.
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It reduces all spreads...in fact many would argue equally.
 
LICC said:
Correct, data showing the shutdowns reduced the Covid spread.
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Every Major sporting event has the potential to bring together 20,000 to 100,000 people in a confined space. I don't care if it's rona or the common cold, eliminating them for an extended period of time will inevitably alter illness statistics. Of course shutdowns help reducing the spread of things.
 
JB said:
It reduces all spreads...in fact many would argue equally.
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Covid is more easily spread than other respiratory viruses, therefore shutdowns would have a greater reduction than other illnesses.
 
LICC said:
Covid is more easily spread than other respiratory viruses, therefore shutdowns would have a greater reduction than other illnesses.
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Im not sure you understood my question So I will ask again. Where is the data that supports this being far worse for young healthy Americans?
 
PuffChippy said:
In 35 years of golf I've never witnessed anything that would make me think carts are faster, at least when there are 2 people in them. The walkers are almost always as fast or faster, myself included. What has helped where I am is they're increased the amount of time between tee times. It's something like 12 minutes at one course and that has done wonders, but it also means fewer golfers on the course at any given time so it's surely costing them money. You want a quick and easy fix to 5+ hour rounds? There's your solution.
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I played a course recently that was so long from green to tee with so many severe elevation changes I don’t even think it’s walkable with an electric push cart. I could say the same about a few North Carolina courses I’ve played that wind through neighborhoods. But for generally walkable courses, I’d agree.
 
JB said:
It reduces all spreads...in fact many would argue equally.
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It increased my peanut butter spreads. I’ve been living off peanut butter and Nutella sandwiches!
 
LICC said:
Covid is far worse than the flu. I can't imagine to what data you are referring.
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Not for my age bracket and by far and away not for my children. You're wrong. 92% of deaths from Covid are to people over 70 years old.


You're wrong link
 
Opinions are like Skin Color. I have mine, and you have yours. No matter what you or I say to try and change the other, it ain't gonna happen. That is the one truth around here... In my opinion, of course...
 
DataDude said:
10 years? That's very extreme. It won't take nearly that long. I am thinking 2021-2022 as well. Seems like people are jumping right back on the horse pretty quickly as things open up. There is no reason to think a decade will pass before things are cranking again.
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How long before you feel safe to get on an airplane or stay in a hotel room? What about go to a casino or show where people are jammed up against each other? Even when it is safe people will carry lingering apprehension for a long time, and how does that affect all the ancillary businesses like airports and concessions and rental cars and bars and cabs? Then that trickles down into everything from the local gas station to the people no longer working at all those jobs who now don't have money to pay their lawn guy or buy those new shoes, or the businesses that can no longer pay rent which means the landlords now can't pay their bills and so on down the line like dominoes. We're also coming off one of the greatest periods of economic expansion humans have ever known. 10 years may be a little pessimistic but I think the chances of us going from having 1 out of every 4 people unemployed (assuming it gets no worse) to record high GDP will take far longer than 12-18 months. You throw in more riots/looting, the tremendous costs of helping the unemployed, a renewed focus on a healthcare system that is objectively and factually unsustainable, the inevitable tax increases at every level from local to federal, and maybe even a President who is more into social spending programs than business and it could be far longer.
 
GolferGal said:
It really will be glorious. We have gone out to eat in a restaurant quite a few times now and it has been so nice to feel somewhat "normal" again. I hope you have a great time!
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I still haven't had the pleasure yet. We are also the last state in the union whose driving ranges are still closed: Massachusetts.
 
So, my company has mandated masks from the parking lot and on site. Even alone in your office with door closed. Crazy thing is they issued non-n95 masks , but said you can’t wear your own unless it is n95. 🤔
 
MSEASU said:
So, my company has mandated masks from the parking lot and on site. Even alone in your office with door closed. Crazy thing is they issued non-n95 masks , but said you can’t wear your own unless it is n95. 🤔
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I believe we call that CYA to the max.
 
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