2024 Mitsubishi Diamana BB Shaft – Blue Board is Back

Ooh, I like that idea. Drop into a bit lower spinning head and see if that smooth swing delivers both distance and repeatability.
I can say with certainty that if I hit that set up in a fitting, it would’ve been hard to beat it. Launch was perfect. Distance was right there with the WB from what my eyeball could see. Most importantly, I finally saw that tighter dispersion others have seen.
 
I had this in play over the weekend for awhile. I was hitting pretty good seeing some decent ball flight with it but not quite the results I wanted on course. Not bad, just not quite comfortable enough for me.

The best part of the weekend with it was on the range Sunday. @Browndog and I sat there for awhile testing it and I found that I really hit it well in his Darkspeed LS. When I put it in there, magic! All my shots were starting online and great baby fades right down the middle. I’m going to spend some time with it in my Aerojet LS back here at home to see if that honeymoon phase continues.

@Browndog @Bus @Dougie and @JohnSinVA all got a chance to hit this and had some thoughts on it that they can probably share. I may have missed a couple others as well. @JohnSinVA absolutely bombed it!
I thought @JohnSinVA was going to swipe it on the spot... absolutely crushed it.

I thought it felt really really good! Could adjust to it I imagine, but everything was right. Not right then right fading off , just dead straight offline right. Seemed like the head wasn't keeping up, but man did it feel good.

When you guys put the white in his LS it just synced up right away. Felt really good and just went long and straight.

Both felt great though. Can kinda understand the feedback here a little better now.

Thanks for letting me put some swings on them.
 
I thought @JohnSinVA was going to swipe it on the spot... absolutely crushed it.

I thought it felt really really good! Could adjust to it I imagine, but everything was right. Not right then right fading off , just dead straight offline right. Seemed like the head wasn't keeping up, but man did it feel good.

When you guys put the white in his LS it just synced up right away. Felt really good and just went long and straight.

Both felt great though. Can kinda understand the feedback here a little better now.

Thanks for letting me put some swings on them.
I only took a couple swings with it, but liked the feel of it. Bad match with the head for my swing though, I'd love to try one in my AI Smoke.
 
BTW, looking back at the two rounds with the Blueboard this past weekend, I have noticed that the ball is flying higher than my previous shafts (Project X EvenFlow Blue 75g 6.0/S or the even older Grafalloy Prototype NT 85g S flex).
I mentioned that I even dropped the loft to 10.5 from 11.5, since I don't feel I need the added loft to get the ball in the air like I previously did. I may even drop it down to 9.5 to see what happens. I have not hit a 9.5° driver in probably 18 years, but on firm and fast fairways (our typical fairway out here), I can get away with it.
 
BTW, looking back at the two rounds with the Blueboard this past weekend, I have noticed that the ball is flying higher than my previous shafts (Project X EvenFlow Blue 75g 6.0/S or the even older Grafalloy Prototype NT 85g S flex).
I mentioned that I even dropped the loft to 10.5 from 11.5, since I don't feel I need the added loft to get the ball in the air like I previously did. I may even drop it down to 9.5 to see what happens. I have not hit a 9.5° driver in probably 18 years, but on firm and fast fairways (our typical fairway out here), I can get away with it.
I love the look of a driver dialed down a notch or two. Let us know how that works out for you.
 
Club Champion session coming in today and I'll be on a Trackman getting some numbers...stay tuned....
 
Club Champion Report:

Spent approximately 45 minutes slinging the clubs around. After warming up, I would swing 5-6 times with each shaft (BB, Vanquish, LAG). LA would go first.

LAG: Average carry was 275. Overall distance was 298. Spin rate average was 2295 with a club speed of 105.8 and ball speed of 152.7. Dispersion, 30'.
Vanqush: Average carry was 272. Overall distance was 294. Spin rate average was 2633 with a club speed of 104.4 and ball speed of 149.8. Dispersion, 25'.
BB: Average carry was 245. Overall distance was 273. Spin rate average was 3319 with a club speed of 101.7 and ball speed of 142.5. Dispersion was 65'.

The biggest difference between the shafts? The BB has a torque number of 4.9 while the vanquish is a 4.2 and my LAG is a 3. Now, keep in mind companies measure their torque differently, so I don't know, without the benefit of being able to measure it myself, how the torque of the LAG compares in reality to the two Mitsu brands, but the numbers suggest to me that the Vanquish and the LAG are closer in spec than the BB. The spin rate was drastically different.

So there's some data to take in. I didn't want to spend too much time swinging those three because I was getting fitted for the new GT from Titleist, so I needed to save some gas in the tank, but I think that's some pretty good data.

I think we can always say, well, you can adjust your swing and make the driver work, and while maybe I can, I don't want to nor should I need to. I don't believe anyone should adjust their swing to make a club/shaft work, that's why they make different shafts and clubs!
 
my only problem is I don't know which head to install. GT2...it's new, it's flashy. Darkspeed LS...we've been fighting all year, but had some really good results doing some shaft testing with it this weekend. Ai Smoke...the safe bet.
I don't know what you decided on but having experimented with the Darkspeed LS you know what you've been getting. I think putting this shaft in that head would be a good test of how the shaft performs vs the GT2. Lower spinning head a shaft that launches and spins more sounds like a good combo potentially
 
Club Champion Report:

Spent approximately 45 minutes slinging the clubs around. After warming up, I would swing 5-6 times with each shaft (BB, Vanquish, LAG). LA would go first.

LAG: Average carry was 275. Overall distance was 298. Spin rate average was 2295 with a club speed of 105.8 and ball speed of 152.7. Dispersion, 30'.
Vanqush: Average carry was 272. Overall distance was 294. Spin rate average was 2633 with a club speed of 104.4 and ball speed of 149.8. Dispersion, 25'.
BB: Average carry was 245. Overall distance was 273. Spin rate average was 3319 with a club speed of 101.7 and ball speed of 142.5. Dispersion was 65'.

The biggest difference between the shafts? The BB has a torque number of 4.9 while the vanquish is a 4.2 and my LAG is a 3. Now, keep in mind companies measure their torque differently, so I don't know, without the benefit of being able to measure it myself, how the torque of the LAG compares in reality to the two Mitsu brands, but the numbers suggest to me that the Vanquish and the LAG are closer in spec than the BB. The spin rate was drastically different.

So there's some data to take in. I didn't want to spend too much time swinging those three because I was getting fitted for the new GT from Titleist, so I needed to save some gas in the tank, but I think that's some pretty good data.

I think we can always say, well, you can adjust your swing and make the driver work, and while maybe I can, I don't want to nor should I need to. I don't believe anyone should adjust their swing to make a club/shaft work, that's why they make different shafts and clubs!
Based on that and that you were swinging the LA Golf shaft faster, the Vanquish seems like a winner here. Especially with shrinking this dispersion.
 
Club Champion Report:

Spent approximately 45 minutes slinging the clubs around. After warming up, I would swing 5-6 times with each shaft (BB, Vanquish, LAG). LA would go first.

LAG: Average carry was 275. Overall distance was 298. Spin rate average was 2295 with a club speed of 105.8 and ball speed of 152.7. Dispersion, 30'.
Vanqush: Average carry was 272. Overall distance was 294. Spin rate average was 2633 with a club speed of 104.4 and ball speed of 149.8. Dispersion, 25'.
BB: Average carry was 245. Overall distance was 273. Spin rate average was 3319 with a club speed of 101.7 and ball speed of 142.5. Dispersion was 65'.

The biggest difference between the shafts? The BB has a torque number of 4.9 while the vanquish is a 4.2 and my LAG is a 3. Now, keep in mind companies measure their torque differently, so I don't know, without the benefit of being able to measure it myself, how the torque of the LAG compares in reality to the two Mitsu brands, but the numbers suggest to me that the Vanquish and the LAG are closer in spec than the BB. The spin rate was drastically different.

So there's some data to take in. I didn't want to spend too much time swinging those three because I was getting fitted for the new GT from Titleist, so I needed to save some gas in the tank, but I think that's some pretty good data.

I think we can always say, well, you can adjust your swing and make the driver work, and while maybe I can, I don't want to nor should I need to. I don't believe anyone should adjust their swing to make a club/shaft work, that's why they make different shafts and clubs!
Appreciate the info. Have you considered putting this in a fairway wood? It might really come to life in a club that needs a bit more spin.
 
Club Champion Report:

Spent approximately 45 minutes slinging the clubs around. After warming up, I would swing 5-6 times with each shaft (BB, Vanquish, LAG). LA would go first.

LAG: Average carry was 275. Overall distance was 298. Spin rate average was 2295 with a club speed of 105.8 and ball speed of 152.7. Dispersion, 30'.
Vanqush: Average carry was 272. Overall distance was 294. Spin rate average was 2633 with a club speed of 104.4 and ball speed of 149.8. Dispersion, 25'.
BB: Average carry was 245. Overall distance was 273. Spin rate average was 3319 with a club speed of 101.7 and ball speed of 142.5. Dispersion was 65'.

The biggest difference between the shafts? The BB has a torque number of 4.9 while the vanquish is a 4.2 and my LAG is a 3. Now, keep in mind companies measure their torque differently, so I don't know, without the benefit of being able to measure it myself, how the torque of the LAG compares in reality to the two Mitsu brands, but the numbers suggest to me that the Vanquish and the LAG are closer in spec than the BB. The spin rate was drastically different.

So there's some data to take in. I didn't want to spend too much time swinging those three because I was getting fitted for the new GT from Titleist, so I needed to save some gas in the tank, but I think that's some pretty good data.

I think we can always say, well, you can adjust your swing and make the driver work, and while maybe I can, I don't want to nor should I need to. I don't believe anyone should adjust their swing to make a club/shaft work, that's why they make different shafts and clubs!
Clearly the BB is not working for your swing but but 3 mph slower club speed doesn't make much sense to me. Were you trying to swing slower with it?
 
Based on that and that you were swinging the LA Golf shaft faster, the Vanquish seems like a winner here. Especially with shrinking this dispersion.
100%. After the GT club fitting (which I used both LA and Vanquish in and let me tell you, that GT head is NO joke), I went back to my TSr2 Head and used whatever little bit of energy I had left and the Vanquish gave me two very long drives...I really LOVE this Vanquish.
Appreciate the info. Have you considered putting this in a fairway wood? It might really come to life in a club that needs a bit more spin.
Absolutely. When the review period is done, I'm going to have it put in my 3W and see how it goes. I'm definitely NOT done with it yet.
Clearly the BB is not working for your swing but but 3 mph slower club speed doesn't make much sense to me. Were you trying to swing slower with it?
Yes. The BB definitely works better with a smoother swing and that's what I was trying to do. Smooth made for a better dispersion but it's just not my style. And when I say that, I don't mean my swing isn't smooth, it's just not AS smooth as that shaft needs it. It's a very toxic relationship, ROFL. What's interesting is that in my head, I feel I need to slow down in order to be smoother...and that's what I do now when I have that shaft in my hand. Wether I try to or not.
 
LAG: Average carry was 275. Overall distance was 298. Spin rate average was 2295 with a club speed of 105.8 and ball speed of 152.7. Dispersion, 30'.
Vanqush: Average carry was 272. Overall distance was 294. Spin rate average was 2633 with a club speed of 104.4 and ball speed of 149.8. Dispersion, 25'.
BB: Average carry was 245. Overall distance was 273. Spin rate average was 3319 with a club speed of 101.7 and ball speed of 142.5. Dispersion was 65'.
Even with the lower average swing speed with the BB, the distance gap is strange. If you figure about 2.5 yards per MPH (figure 3 yards to be safe per MPH), that is still shorter than the other two, by a wide margin. I am guessing, with the 65' of dispersion, that you got a lot more sidespin with the BB, which could be the reason you were not getting the distance.

I agree with JB though, that the Vanquish with the dispersion of 25' is a fantastic fit for you.
 
Even with the lower average swing speed with the BB, the distance gap is strange. If you figure about 2.5 yards per MPH (figure 3 yards to be safe per MPH), that is still shorter than the other two, by a wide margin. I am guessing, with the 65' of dispersion, that you got a lot more sidespin with the BB, which could be the reason you were not getting the distance.

I agree with JB though, that the Vanquish with the dispersion of 25' is a fantastic fit for you.
I know for me at least, intentionally messing with my tempo not only changes speed slightly, but how I deliver the club. My sweet spot is a pretty smooth tempo but I’d try to “slow down” I start missing center face. Something similar would result in data like this I imagine.
 
Even with the lower average swing speed with the BB, the distance gap is strange. If you figure about 2.5 yards per MPH (figure 3 yards to be safe per MPH), that is still shorter than the other two, by a wide margin. I am guessing, with the 65' of dispersion, that you got a lot more sidespin with the BB, which could be the reason you were not getting the distance.

I agree with JB though, that the Vanquish with the dispersion of 25' is a fantastic fit for you.
Yeah, the spin was crazy high for me on that BB....but maybe a 3 wood would be super nice :)
 
Appreciate the info. Have you considered putting this in a fairway wood? It might really come to life in a club that needs a bit more spin.
This is something I’m thinking of doing with my BB as well. I’ve never been a big fw wood player. @Browndog has an LTDx 4w turned down that I seem to hit great. I was thinking the BB in a new Darkspeed FW would be a killer combo.
 
This is something I’m thinking of doing with my BB as well. I’ve never been a big fw wood player. @Browndog has an LTDx 4w turned down that I seem to hit great. I was thinking the BB in a new Darkspeed FW would be a killer combo.
Have a feeling that could be a very playable club after your driver.
 
Yes. The BB definitely works better with a smoother swing and that's what I was trying to do. Smooth made for a better dispersion but it's just not my style. And when I say that, I don't mean my swing isn't smooth, it's just not AS smooth as that shaft needs it. It's a very toxic relationship, ROFL. What's interesting is that in my head, I feel I need to slow down in order to be smoother...and that's what I do now when I have that shaft in my hand. Wether I try to or not.
I can relate to the toxic relationship 😂. The thing about the BB is that when you are swinging it well, it feels so damn good! I haven’t gotten out yet this week but it’s in the Aerojet LS to give that a go after seeing it in the Darkspeed LS. The launch I was seeing in that head was absolutely perfect. Slightly higher than my WB and didn’t appear to lose any distance. I can’t wait to try this combo out on course
 
Out in Colorado this past Sunday at the Bear Dance Golf Club driving range I had the chance to try the new Mitsubishi Diamana BB and WB 53X shafts in both the Cobra Darkspeed X & LS 9.0 degree heads.

Was very excited to try a lighter weight X-Stiff flex shaft to see how they compare to the mid weight Stiff flex shafts that I’ve been playing.

Not a stranger to Mitsubishi or Diamana as during the first few months of the year I was gaming the Diamana ZF 60S shaft paired with the Cobra LTDx LS 9.0 head and had good results while enjoying the smooth Diamana feel.

Currently I also have the Diamana Thump fairway wood shafts in a Tour Edge C723 13 degree 3 wood and E723 21 deg 7 wood.

On the range I had very good results with the Diamana BB 53X in the Cobra Darkspeed LS set in the standard draw setting. Smooth feel and very repeatable baby draws carrying a long way. It was a good match for me and was so good that I feel that I could confidently put that shaft immediately in play. It was such a joy to hit. Compared very favorably to the TPT Power Range 18 LO that I was fit into in March that took the place of the Diamana ZF. The BB reminded me a lot of the Diamana ZF 60S shaft despite the weight and flex differences.

In the Darkspeed X head though it was a little floaty for me.

The WB was more work for me than the BB but also had that smooth Diamana feel. Would probably need to go down a flex to be more comfortable with it.

If you are a fan of a good looking, smooth feeling shaft that is easy to swing the BB should definitely be on your short list to try. Combined with a low spin driver head or paired with a fairway wood would be the sweet spot for me.

Mitsubishi has really done a great job with these shafts.
 
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Fortunately I have a lot more experience with the BB when speaking about the launch than my poor swinging round today. Could not figure out how to get off my back leg until the 15th hole so was hitting the ball weakly off the bottom of the club face with driver and all other clubs. Once I finally woke up and fixed it on the 15th tee, the mid-high controllable draws returned for my final two driver drives on the 15th and 18th holes.

I do not have access to a launch monitor so can't speak about specific launch or height numbers, but when comparing it to the other two shafts, Diamana GT and Accra TZ Six, I have played in my current driver head, it gives me a visibly higher ball flight. I would consider the ball flight I get with the other 2 shafts I mentioned to be more of a mid ball flight. Strictly guessing, I would say the BB hits a peak height of around 20 feet higher than the other two. Based on my watching how high other people hit their drivers, I would not go as far as saying that I get a high ball flight with the BB in my driver. I have never been a really high ball hitter with any club. I would venture to say that the ball flight I get with the BB in my 9* driver is the highest I have consistently seen with driver.

IMO, the Blue Board is certainly a shaft I would recommend someone trying that would like a higher flight out of their driver.
 
Fortunately I have a lot more experience with the BB when speaking about the launch than my poor swinging round today. Could not figure out how to get off my back leg until the 15th hole so was hitting the ball weakly off the bottom of the club face with driver and all other clubs. Once I finally woke up and fixed it on the 15th tee, the mid-high controllable draws returned for my final two driver drives on the 15th and 18th holes.

I do not have access to a launch monitor so can't speak about specific launch or height numbers, but when comparing it to the other two shafts, Diamana GT and Accra TZ Six, I have played in my current driver head, it gives me a visibly higher ball flight. I would consider the ball flight I get with the other 2 shafts I mentioned to be more of a mid ball flight. Strictly guessing, I would say the BB hits a peak height of around 20 feet higher than the other two. Based on my watching how high other people hit their drivers, I would not go as far as saying that I get a high ball flight with the BB in my driver. I have never been a really high ball hitter with any club. I would venture to say that the ball flight I get with the BB in my 9* driver is the highest I have consistently seen with driver.

IMO, the Blue Board is certainly a shaft I would recommend someone trying that would like a higher flight out of their driver.
Agreed on the ball flight not being really high, but higher than previous shafts I have hit.
I mean, as long as distance is there, I don't mind a higher ball flight as it normally means closer to the center of the fairway, which even if you were to lose 5 yards, being in the center more is a good thing.

Debby is not here yet, but is lurking, so maybe Sunday will be my next round.
 
Went out again to the range...Spent 30 minutes solid hitting nothing but Driver with the BB. I had a solid round but never ever got above 270 in distance and the dispersion was all over. I could NOT get this shaft to be consistent. And before you question my swing, after the BB, I put the Vanquish back in and had a consistent draw down the middle.

Next step....I will be clipping it and putting it in my 3-wood. (Well, I won't be, the shop will be).
 
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