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NEWS Brooks Koepka Back on PGA Tour?

JB said:
I think there’s some with good merit.
And it could be a good conversation, but Chamblee won’t allow that
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He is gonna be a prize during Live From this spring
 
I love it I wanna see him back playing more golf. Excited for it 🥳😁
 
PhillyV said:
This is a common take I see in other social media platform posts and I’m just really curious about it.

Do people care about PGA Tour tournaments? Or do golf fans in general not care at all about any tournaments other than the majors?

There are about a dozen regular PGA events that get more buzz than the PGA Championship does
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Well its mostly the majors and a few others like the Players and maybe LA, Pebble , Memorial, Bay Hill to name a few. Fed Ex Cup hasnt really gotten traction since they keep flip flopping on the format and both methods have major flaws. I've never met anyone who gives two $hits about LIV golf. Some of the players in LIV are great of course but the tournaments dont mean anything and many of the golfers have seen their skills eroding which was predicted when it all started. Throw in the silly shotgun start ( do they have longest drive and closest to pin too LOL) Hey if you like it good for you. I think the market has spoken though as it usually does
 
pinger_72 said:
Well its mostly the majors and a few others like the Players and maybe LA, Pebble , Memorial, Bay Hill to name a few. Fed Ex Cup hasnt really gotten traction since they keep flip flopping on the format and both methods have major flaws. I've never met anyone who gives two $hits about LIV golf. Some of the players in LIV are great of course but the tournaments dont mean anything and many of the golfers have seen their skills eroding which was predicted when it all started. Throw in the silly shotgun start ( do they have longest drive and closest to pin too LOL) Hey if you like it good for you. I think the market has spoken though as it usually does
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For someone who hasn’t watched it, isn’t it hard to say it’s a poor product?

I get it’s not for you and you want/like traditional golf, but globally the market has spoken and it’s welcomed and very popular
 
According to an article I read, they interviewed Bryson, Rahm and Cam about Koepka and returning to the PGA Tour.

Bryson - "I mean, look, I'm contracted through 2026, so I'm excited about this year."

Rahm - "Yeah, I'm not planning on going anywhere. Very similar answer to what Bryson gave. I wish Brooks the best. As far as I'm concerned, I'm focused on the league and my team this year - and hopefully we can repeat as champions again."

Cam - "I mean, I really don't have any thoughts....but I do know I'm here to stay. I'm here to support LIV. I'm a captain of a great team and a great group of people. I'm happy where I am. I'm proud of where I am. I think we do many great things, particularly in Australia, and I can't wait for this league to keep growing."
 
MikeG said:
I think you are giving too much credit to the middle to bottom half of the pGAT when compared to the same population of LIV.

Golf is hard, pro golf is even harder. Swap the players between leagues and I doubt you see much difference in terms of performance.
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I would feel echico is giving too much credit to the top dozen LIV players wr might all agree on, outside their unquestionable top 5 (now 4). Had Finau and Homa gone LIV a couple of years ago for example, then they would have been listed in that rank evem though they are no longer playing to that standard. They have both gone off a cliff. Players level rankings are sort of frozen in LIV to their pre LIV level, and many are over rated as a result. The PGAT has a constant competition and refresh of that 20-60 range. LIV only has a 5th of that, and almost no refresh.
 
18Slices said:
I would feel echico is giving too much credit to the top dozen LIV players wr might all agree on, outside their unquestionable top 5 (now 4). Had Finau and Homa gone LIV a couple of years ago for example, then they would have been listed in that rank evem though they are no longer playing to that standard. They have both gone off a cliff. Players level rankings are sort of frozen in LIV to their pre LIV level, and many are over rated as a result. The PGAT has a constant competition and refresh of that 20-60 range. LIV only has a 5th of that, and almost no refresh.
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Again apples to oranges comparison. You can't have a "refresh" as you call it without playing the same format. LIV is a team sport the PGAT is a single golfer. No way you can make the assumption that one is better than the other.

my point is LIV is more than the "top 5" and those players that are in the 5-20 range are stronger or equally as strong as what the PGAT has for those rankings.
 
I am not sure whether it is corroborative evidence of the value of the 'next best dozen' on LIV or not, but it says something that the PGAT opened a pathway back to 4 golfers, but only 4 golfers. There is no enticing or fast track offer available to any of those below the three outstanding.
I would read that as - we have plenty of them already.
But they would like the outstanding two so that they have 19 rather than 17 of the worlds top golfers. There just mustnt have been a formula to fit Hatton into the scheme to go for all 20.
 
18Slices said:
I am not sure whether it is corroborative evidence of the value of the 'next best dozen' on LIV or not, but it says something that the PGAT opened a pathway back to 4 golfers, but only 4 golfers. There is no enticing or fast track offer available to any of those below the three outstanding.
I would read that as - we have plenty of them already.
But they would like the outstanding two so that they have 19 rather than 17 of the worlds top golfers. There just mustnt have been a formula to fit Hatton into the scheme to go for all 20.
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Lets not kid ourselves. They only opened it specifically for those golfers because of the name recognition and nothing else. They wanted the "big names" to try and throw a final death blow to LIV.

The same way LIV wanted top, talented golfers when it began. They weren't going to build live off of Harris English or Brian Harman.
 
18Slices said:
I am not sure whether it is corroborative evidence of the value of the 'next best dozen' on LIV or not, but it says something that the PGAT opened a pathway back to 4 golfers, but only 4 golfers.
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Keep in mind two reasons for that are pretty low hanging fruits.
1. Obviously brand equity. THe tour continues to need sponsors, sponsors want stars.
2. Opening up for mid carders for lack of a better turn and having them have any sort of success on tour over the rank and file, brings credence to what the Chamblees continue to wrongfully say.

The tour can take in more money, wait it out and have the end to LIV despite mortgaging their entire future on the present in hopes that the future is bright. The Jupiter Crew doesnt care about the future, they are in it for the present and for WWE fans of yesteryear, they are 100% the Kliq and everybody around the tour knows where the power lies.
 
18Slices said:
I am not sure whether it is corroborative evidence of the value of the 'next best dozen' on LIV or not, but it says something that the PGAT opened a pathway back to 4 golfers, but only 4 golfers. There is no enticing or fast track offer available to any of those below the three outstanding.
I would read that as - we have plenty of them already.
But they would like the outstanding two so that they have 19 rather than 17 of the worlds top golfers. There just mustnt have been a formula to fit Hatton into the scheme to go for all 20.
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If they wanted Hatton they could have said anyone who reached the top 10 of the OWGR was eligible. I believe that would have made DJ eligible though and I think it’s clear they didn’t want him back.
 
MikeG said:
For someone who hasn’t watched it, isn’t it hard to say it’s a poor product?

I get it’s not for you and you want/like traditional golf, but globally the market has spoken and it’s welcomed and very popular
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I think i turned it on once or twice for maybe 5 minutes. If its so welcome and popular why hasnt it got more acceptance and good tv ratings?
 
Hey look the ol TV ratings argument!
 
MikeG said:
For someone who hasn’t watched it, isn’t it hard to say it’s a poor product?

I get it’s not for you and you want/like traditional golf, but globally the market has spoken and it’s welcomed and very popular
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No dog in the fight. But can you define very popular?
 
ddec said:
No dog in the fight. But can you define very popular?
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Just going off attendance to all the tournaments, especially the ones that are international. TV ratings are weird because domestically it is captured differently than internationally where they have apps and other media streams to present it. Then you add VPN or stuff like that and it's hard to compare apples to apples with the PGAT who have a dedicated broadcast and defined ratings criteria.
 
I think the PGAT knew already that they weren't getting anyone else, but they had to make criteria so it didn't appear just to be for one guy.
 
Perfect response from Scott O’niel and I stand corrected, it appears Brooks had one year left on his initial LIV deal.

 
Lowry saying the quiet part out loud about the "potential" earnings Brooks will lose out on

 
MikeG said:
Lowry saying the quiet part out loud about the "potential" earnings Brooks will lose out on

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The way I read it reported was that Brooks had to fork over 30 million to get out of his contract, and the other was 20 million was earnings lost from liv this year.
Did he have to pay them 30 million or that just a paycheck he forgoes for this year.

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jezimmerman1 said:
The way I read it reported was that Brooks had to fork over 30 million to get out of his contract, and the other was 20 million was earnings lost from liv this year.
Did he have to pay them 30 million or that just a paycheck he forgoes for this year.

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not sure where you saw he gave up $30 million because the LIV CEO said all of those negotiations were private and would be kept private. my guess whatever was due from the initial contract that was to be paid out this year isn't going to be.

whatever future LIV earnings is just fluff IMO bc that isn't realized and never will be.
 
I suspect a lot of the top players feel this way

 
MikeG said:
I suspect a lot of the top players feel this way

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I’m not sure there’s anyone on Tour whose opinion I care less about on this matter than ole Boo Boo Face.
 
MikeG said:
I suspect a lot of the top players feel this way

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Hey LIV!!

I will trade you a Brooks for a Clark. Straight up!! lol
 
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