Gyms are open in Texas - 25% capacity, but showers and locker rooms are not open - only the WC
And oh, gosh, what models haven't been wrong? (maybe some exist) They are models. They change based on what we know at that moment.
Corona Virus/COVID19: Local Impact
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Gyms are open in Texas - 25% capacity, but showers and locker rooms are not open - only the WC
And oh, gosh, what models haven't been wrong? (maybe some exist) They are models. They change based on what we know at that moment.
Data can be so easily manipulated to make a point. Sweden, which enforced some forms of social distancing but didn’t perform a lock down has 8 to 10x times more Covid deaths/pop than it’s Nordic neighbors that did impose strict lockdown measures. The case could be said (and I wouldn’t agree with it due to lack of sample size) that if other places had decided to not lock down, their death rates would be 8-10x higher. Anyone can find numbers to defend a position in this
Pass the popcorn... this is like watching a tennis match.
But some tend to jump on each other instead of looking for similarities. I bet that most of our opinions only vary in small degrees, not canyons.
But some tend to jump on each other instead of looking for similarities. I bet that most of our opinions only vary in small degrees, not canyons.
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You know this from Fauci’s model...? LOL
It's hard to have a discussion if the data to support your position isn't real. I fully support you having your opinion but I can't see it as credible based on the data you've used to formulate that opinion. You be you and I'll be me and we'll part ways at this point.
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I see no lies here...
@LICC I'm not trying to gang up on you. I do think this virus is very dangerous and agree that without the lockdown, numbers would have been much higher. The number of deaths we are currently seeing are not far from projections that some mocked early on... and with more to come as the year progresses.
But there are ways to protect those who are at a greater risk without locking down the entire economy.
For one thing, a large percentage of those in danger are no longer in the work force. For those who are not statistically at risk but who choose to be safe, there are - or should be - options for those folks as well. I don't think anyone is advocating forcing anyone out. This country needs to get back to work, IMO. If companies and employees simply practice some of the safety guidelines, the spread can be reduced and the economy can hang in there. At the level of our individual families, we need to be careful around those at risk. That's on us as individuals and there are ways to do this as well.
Many more people will die from the virus and that's tragic. To me, it doesn't matter in what condition or age someone is... it's still a life that's lost and it should matter. But the alternative of continuing the lockdown could be worse for many years to come.
Just my opinion.
But there are ways to protect those who are at a greater risk without locking down the entire economy.
For one thing, a large percentage of those in danger are no longer in the work force. For those who are not statistically at risk but who choose to be safe, there are - or should be - options for those folks as well. I don't think anyone is advocating forcing anyone out. This country needs to get back to work, IMO. If companies and employees simply practice some of the safety guidelines, the spread can be reduced and the economy can hang in there. At the level of our individual families, we need to be careful around those at risk. That's on us as individuals and there are ways to do this as well.
Many more people will die from the virus and that's tragic. To me, it doesn't matter in what condition or age someone is... it's still a life that's lost and it should matter. But the alternative of continuing the lockdown could be worse for many years to come.
Just my opinion.
Never would've guessed New York to have a higher "morality rate" than Texas.
You've would've thought with a Church on every other street corner and in shopping centers, Texas would have "morality" covered.
In MA, it's not church's that are on every corner, no, we have Dunkin' Donuts on every corner, lol.
ps: The town I live in was founded in 1625. Our claim to fame, is we have the busiest DD on the planet. DD's are like a virus, spreading everywhere.
Yes, I travel to Boston about once a year. All true.
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and more graphics that are useless without the data behind them. Makes for a 'woke' headline though.
Aw, shucks, Thank you.
Don’t forget Mr Vortexdave, you got to meet one of the most interesting hackers on here... @PKorf .... haha!
Map ... it's just cases.
Coronavirus in the U.S.: Latest Map and Case Count
A detailed county map shows the extent of the coronavirus outbreak, with tables of the number of cases by county.
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This is crazy, 4 cases and they lockdown again.
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One Of The First California Counties To Reopen Is Closing Again (UPDATE)
"We now have a serious problem,” Lassen County's public health officer said of the new coronavirus outbreak.
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It’s hard to have a discussion if you just ignore reality that is contrary to your desired view.
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Georgia’s recent spike in new COVID-19 cases likely indicates the virus is spreading and cannot be solely attributed to a surge in testing, a prominent public health expert said Thursday.
“It’s not ‘either or.’ I think it’s probably both,” Dr. Carlos del Rio, chairman of the global health department at Emory University and the dean overseeing physicians at Grady Memorial Hospital, said during a press conference with Dr. Colleen Kraft, director of Emory’s Clinical Virology Research Laboratory. ...
the partial end of the state’s shelter-in-place order, allowing most Georgians to move about, is a key reason behind a 26% percent rise in cases between the weeks of May 11 and May 18, Del Rio said.
Yup, that's what viruses do.
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“Albert Bourla, head of Pfizer, meanwhile said that his company, which is conducting clinical trials with German firm Biontech on several possible vaccines in Europe and the United States, also believed one would be ready before the end of the year.“
Pharma chiefs see coronavirus vaccine by year-end, but challenges 'daunting'
Pharmaceutical company executives said Thursday that one or several COVID-19 vaccines could begin rolling out before 2021, but warned the challenges would be "daunting" as it was estimated that 15 billion doses would be needed to halt the pandemic. Well over 100 labs around the world are...
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The Control Troll...
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It’s hard to have a discussion with someone who wants to lockdown healthy people until the end of the year...
Locking down vulnerable people is called quarantine. Locking down healthy people is called Tyranny.
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