Course Madness: WGGC Elite Eight- (1) Pebble Beach vs (2) Pine Valley Golf Club

Course Madness: WGGC Elite Eight- (1) Pebble Beach vs (2) Pine Valley Golf Club


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The World Greatest Golf Course is now entering the Elite Eight.

Here is the thread to show the full pool and all the results. You decide on which is the World's Greatest Golf Course.
https://www.thehackersparadise.com/...ss-greatest-golf-course-in-the-world.8916364/

(1) Pebble Beach

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How Does Pebble Beach Test the Best? With the Smallest Greens in Major Championship Golf

Pebble Beach Golf Links is the shortest course on the PGA TOUR. Even when Pebble Beach hosts the 2019 U.S. Open, it will take some creative tee boxes — No. 10 backs up to practically the middle of the ninth fairway — to stretch the course to 7,075 yards.
So how exactly does Pebble Beach manage to challenge the best players in the world? Says 2002 PGA Championship winner Rich Beem:
“It’s one of the most intimidating golf courses I’ve ever played. You get caught up in the views so easily, and all of a sudden, you’ve got all of these difficult shots into greens that look like the size of dimes.”
Tiger Woods played a reconnaissance round the week after the PGA Championship and noted, “I forgot how small the green complexes are. Add a little bit of firmness and speed to them and they get really tiny.”
A design tenant architect Jack Neville strongly believed was to test the best golfers by giving them long irons into small greens. Many of the most iconic holes at Pebble Beach – Nos. 8, 9, 10 and 17 – now demand this.

The average Pebble Beach green is just 3,500 square feet, the smallest on the PGA TOUR. The average green depth at Pebble Beach is just 26 paces. And those greens are surrounded by 118 bunkers — or six more than the Old Course at St. Andrews. You could also fit nearly four Pebble Beach greens into the average St. Andrews green (13,600 square feet).

Some memorable moments:

NO. 1 – 377 YARDS, PAR-4
This was actually the first hole that ever hosted a sudden-death playoff in a major championship. Lanny Wadkins and Gene Littler finished the 1977 PGA Championship tied after 72 holes, and headed to No. 1 for their playoff. Wadkins made a 12-foot par save to stay alive, and ultimately won the championship two holes later on No. 3.

And if you’ve got some first tee jitters, be comforted that you can probably top the embarrassing shot Academy Award winner Jack Lemmon once hit. During the AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am, Lemmon shanked his drive into the actual room he was staying in at The Lodge.

NO. 6 – 506 YARDS, PAR-5
In the second round of the 2000 U.S. Open, Woods hit a shot that epitomized his dominance that week – a 7-iron from 205 yards out of 4-inch rough over a tree to 20 feet. It prompted NBC analyst Roger Maltbie to perfectly encapsulate what we were all witnessing. “It’s just not a fair fight!” Maltbie announced. The tree since fell into the ocean during a storm, and the fairway now runs straight to the cliff’s edge, so the shot is no longer possible. But there was probably only one person on this planet who could hit it anyway…

NO. 7 – 106 YARDS, PAR-3
The shortest hole on the PGA TOUR can play like one of the longest. Sam Snead once opted to putt off the tee and down a dirt cart path instead of sending a shot airborne into a vicious wind. (He “three-putted” for a par.) Eddie Merrins, a famous pro from Bel-Air CC, made an ace during the 1965 Bing Crosby, but needed a 3-iron to do so.

But the most famous shot came during the 1992 U.S. Open, when Tom Kite missed the green with a 6-iron hit into the teeth of the wind, but chipped in for birdie, the defining moment of his two-stroke victory.

NO. 17 — 177 YARDS, PAR-3
How do you choose between two of the most famous shots in U.S. Open history? They both happened here at No. 17, and they both involved Jack Nicklaus.

At the first U.S. Open that Pebble Beach hosted in 1972, Nicklaus iced the championship by striking the flag stick with a wind-shaped 1-iron for a tap-in birdie.

“The shot I performed, I don’t think I could ever do again,” Nicklaus said.

Twitter: @PebbleBeachGolf
website: https://www.pebblebeach.com/


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(2) Pine Valley


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Pine Valley’s refusal to cater to the weak golfer has always been a huge part of its appeal to better golfers, who are generally the kind of people who work in the golf business (present company excepted!) and travel around to rate golf courses. From the day George Crump conceived the place, the attitude has been that if you’re not good enough to play there, stay away, just as you should stay away from Mount Everest. That attitude gives the course an air of exclusivity that goes beyond the issue of connections and access. Yes, it’s hard to get on, and a bit hard to get to, its entrance located on a hard-to-find road that runs alongside an amusement park called Splash World in an otherwise nondescript suburban swatch of southern New Jersey. Above all, though, it’s hard to score on.

That same unapologetic approach allowed Crump — a hotelier with an obsessive streak, willing to devote his fortune and his life to this project — to build 18 great golf holes, with the decisions the golfer must make starkly framed by the native sand and vegetation of the Pine Barrens. Every hole at Pine Valley is dramatic and memorable — even the holes that nobody talks much about, like the par-4 4th up and over a ridge off the tee, or the dogleg 6th playing around the Great Pit of Carkoon on the right, or the medium-length 11th, with its perfect tee shot into a saddled fairway and perfect pitch back up a narrow valley. Any of those holes would be the best and certainly the most dramatic hole on 99 percent of golf courses in the world.

Two Walker Cups Hosted
Please don’t waste any energy or time scouring the “interwebs” looking to see if any PGA Tour events or any Major Championships have been contested at Pine Valley. We can tell you that the answer is none, zero, zilch.

Quite frankly, the golf course doesn’t even have the room or space to handle thousands of fans or equipment trucks and camera towers. Pine Valley was never meant for television golf, and that won’t be changing anytime soon.

The closest thing to a professional golf tournament being played at Pine Valley Golf Club was the two Walker Cups that were held on the sacred grounds in Pine Valley, New Jersey.

The Walker Cup is the Ryder Cup of amateur golf, pitting the 12 best amateurs in the United States against the 12 best from Great Britain and Ireland. The 1936 and 1985 editions were both held at Pine Valley Golf Club, both won by the American teams.

They walloped the GB&I team in 1936 before narrowly edging them out in 1985 by the count 13-11. In fact, the Americans didn’t even lose a single match in the 1936 Walker Cup. The Great Britain and Ireland squad was awarded their 1.5 points that year by halving (tying) three of the matches.

Twitter: @GolfPine
Website: I can't find one, damn this place is exclusive


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pebble...it's just science.
 
Not the number one seed this time
 
Have to go Pebble
 
Torn but went with Pebble.
 
Pebble Beach was an experience of a lifetime.
 
Pebble was amazing, but pine valley looks other worldly!
 
One more day to vote on this matchup
 
Had to go Pebble Beach: if for nothing more than public access vs ultra exclusive
 
I had to give it to Pebble on this one. Not many courses will stack up.
 
I have played both. Pebble is special. Anyone, anytime can go to Pebble. Meantime I worked some magic to get on Pine Valley. Pine Valley is other worldly....Every hole is special. There are a hand full of holes which are viewed as monuments. But literally there is not one weak hole. Meantime Pebble has about 7 great holes and a hand full of blah holes. But Pebble is pretty to look at.
 
Had to go with PV.
 
Late night to vote here
 
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