tgtt
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You know that distance listed was from what the pros will play and there will be more than one set of tees, right?
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You know that distance listed was from what the pros will play and there will be more than one set of tees, right?
The news in the other thread about a course designed by Phil in Calgary made me think of this topic again. An 8,000 yrd course? Here we go again as this trend continues.
Unless the altitude is worth a thousand yards or 50/60 yards per hole (about 5 club lengths) here again its further playing favorite to the longer hitters and further adding to my logic that the whole thing works against the same issue they are trying to combat in the first place and again working towards creating a field of competition that is smaller or at least one sided. A tiny step in the process but none the less is indeed one more course adding to this trend that I see as something not good for golf.
Courses were lengthened because of Tiger aka-Tigerproofing.
Now with all these now younger,longer hitters the courses need to stay long. Look at Rory.
Do they need to get longer? I don't think so. Designers need to work with what they got for the majority not just a few guys who can bomb the crap out of it.
This has been part of my whole points all along. Its the longer hitters in general that the sport (in this trend) is gravitating towards making it become more about. If the trend keeps on going in one direction only then so will the field. One part of the game and more of one type of player will be what makes up most of the competitive field.
Unfortunately, the cat is already out of the bag. The ball should have never been allowed to get so hot. The USGA should have stepped in with different standards for the ball long ago but now it is too late. It has become a bomb it and go find it game and I don't think we will ever go back. I hit the ball much farther at age 49, even with my set of 1980 irons, than I did when I was in college with a much higher club head speed. I don't think most of the pros find that the courses have gotten too long, but certainly too many amateurs tee it up from the tips because they want to play it all the way back. Regular rounds at home courses are often played from the correct set of tees but most resort courses I won't play on a weekend unless it's the first couple tee time of the day because all the average golfers want to play from 7000+ yards.
I guess I would ask what you consider bomb. Because you say the ball is hot but most amateurs average under 250 off the tee. I don't see that as a bomb I also don't see average distance changing that much in the past 10 years. You may hit farther it you also carry a very rare scratch hdcp, so I imagine you hit it pretty solid. This is not true for the majority of golfers on the planet.Unfortunately, the cat is already out of the bag. The ball should have never been allowed to get so hot. The USGA should have stepped in with different standards for the ball long ago but now it is too late. It has become a bomb it and go find it game and I don't think we will ever go back. I hit the ball much farther at age 49, even with my set of 1980 irons, than I did when I was in college with a much higher club head speed. I don't think most of the pros find that the courses have gotten too long, but certainly too many amateurs tee it up from the tips because they want to play it all the way back. Regular rounds at home courses are often played from the correct set of tees but most resort courses I won't play on a weekend unless it's the first couple tee time of the day because all the average golfers want to play from 7000+ yards.
I guess I would ask what you consider bomb. Because you say the ball is hot but most amateurs average under 250 off the tee. I don't see that as a bomb I also don't see average distance changing that much in the past 10 years. You may hit farther it you also carry a very rare scratch hdcp, so I imagine you hit it pretty solid. This is not true for the majority of golfers on the planet.
The club head speed required to start getting the big distance gains out of the modern ball is pretty high, it starts at about 105 mph, so most golfers will never see the distance gains that the average pro swinging at 113+ will.
And at 2700 feet above sea level the ball travels quite far so even though the card says 8000 yards it does not play that long.
Do you have a link to this info? After speaking with many manufacturers and watching balls being made, I think you will find that it is completely not true. In fact so much so that a new line of golf balls with lower compressions while not deviating from the cover material have been a huge success and spawned even lower compressions in harder cover golf balls to help achieve golfers in a lower price point as well as a more durable golf ball.
I stand corrected. I read that the golfers with the very fastest swings were getting larger gains in a magazine about 5 or more years ago and believed it, but after a couple google searches it is clear that the club head speed to distance ratio is nearly linear even up to 125mph swing speeds. Evidently aerodynamic drag causes issues at higher speeds so if anything the slope of the curve flattens out for the very longest hitters. An your point is right on - the manufactures can certainly make balls for all different club head speeds and hopefully find a way for amateurs to play a ball optimized for their speed.
I have always realized that nearly all the driving distance gains on tour took place right after the ProV1 came out in 2000. In the last decade, there has been a negligible increase in driving distance and it's remarkably consistent across all tours. Certainly the courses have gotten longer so I don't think it's an issue for the pros. As I said in my earlier post, I love watching the game as much today as I ever have, the only problem I have is the increasing time it takes to play a round on resort courses because amateurs are playing the wrong tees. I simply won't play a busy resort course unless I can get one the first couple tee times of the day. This graph would tells me, counter to what most golfers believe, that each model year when a new driver comes out it is not longer than the old one!!! I laugh at myself because this year several rounds I hit my old Ping G2 from 8 years ago that I sold to my neighbor and on every instance it was just as long as my current driver. I could have saved myself a lot of money not buying the 20 drivers since my that Ping G2!
Are all those driving stat numbers derived from hitting a driver? Reason I ask is PGA uses two holes per round as measured long drive hole and not all players hit driver on those holes. Remember Bubba and his 3-iron at the PGA? Just curious.
How is that different than any sport?
Basketball players have gotten taller
Baseball players throw harder
Football players are bigger and taller and hit harder.
One of the biggest strengths a golfer can have is distance. Why should the best in the world not be able to showcase all of that. Jack Nicklaus outdrove everybody. Then Tiger Woods did. One could argue that distance is less an advantage now than it ever was based on the top 20 because equipment has gotten so good for everybody.
If your argument on this held weight, ZJ would not be winning.
I guess I would ask what you consider bomb. Because you say the ball is hot but most amateurs average under 250 off the tee. I don't see that as a bomb I also don't see average distance changing that much in the past 10 years. You may hit farther it you also carry a very rare scratch hdcp, so I imagine you hit it pretty solid. This is not true for the majority of golfers on the planet.