Exactly! I used to do it quite a bit with "classic" equipment, into the wind etc, but with the modern "Volkswagen on a stick" drivers, I find it very hard indeed. Except of course for very fluffy lies, i.e. the ball sitting on top of 2+ inches of rough.I used to do it a lot when I had the smaller sized old style driver and will still give it a try once in a while during a scramble if my partner puts a good one out there and I have nothing to lose. Did it this weekend by the way. The old Big Bertha drivers are great for this, the head shape can take the ball right off a tight lie.