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This would make an interesting question then - would a player's cb spin less than an equally lofted high tech iron. I've thought that with the higher tech and hotter faces, spin has been something oems have had to manage. It was one of the things Callaway mentioned as an improvement in the Apex 19 over the CF16 - adding back spin because some felt the 16 had gone a little too low for the loft.The loft thing is a double edged sword. It is partly due to faster faced irons. Every time you had speed you add spin. It is very hard to have one and not the other. Speed and spin add launch so how do they combat that? They decrease loft. That all makes perfect sense. But, do we need to add speed to the ball off the face of an iron? A club that should be used to promote accuracy and consistency?
That is where i am torn.
wedge gapping is very hot cake.Hot take on the gaps into wedges:
The real issue is people don’t want to learn how to hit different shots and distances from full to partial swings with their PW.
Don’t @ me. Creativity is dead.
This would make an interesting question then - would a player's cb spin less than an equally lofted high tech iron. I've thought that with the higher tech and hotter faces, spin has been something oems have had to manage. It was one of the things Callaway mentioned as an improvement in the Apex 19 over the CF16 - adding back spin because some felt the 16 had gone a little too low for the loft.
I think it's finally time to hunker down with a 10,000 post thread validating the true realities.I ******* hate this thread.
Ive fought this crap for a decade.
Isn’t it cool though when they’re hitting that 8i that far with that loft but it’s the same launch and height as the “traditional” 8i loft?
It's interesting (to me at least), because you're absolutely right. With the same delivery, in the same iron, more speed will equate to more spin. But I've thought this whole time that due to the construction of these higher tech heads, spin has dropped despite the higher speed they produce.I am not an engineer so I can not complete answer that question. From my understand a lot of it has to do with vertical center of gravity. If say the clubs vertical center of gravity is higher. The ball will spin more, If it is lower. It will spin less.
This would make an interesting question then - would a player's cb spin less than an equally lofted high tech iron. I've thought that with the higher tech and hotter faces, spin has been something oems have had to manage. It was one of the things Callaway mentioned as an improvement in the Apex 19 over the CF16 - adding back spin because some felt the 16 had gone a little too low for the loft.
Nope, that’s the main reason the lofts have strengthened. Launch now is greater than “traditional” era loft designs, without decreased lofts they would launch too high and meet ballooning. Companies adjust the lofts to hit specific launch windows.Isn't that impossible? You can't get both the same launch and height and get a much greater distance. Sir Newton is pretty specific on this. Unless that loft angle modifies gravity or the density of air, the club with the greater distance has to have a greater peak height or lower launch.
This is very enlightening stuff JB. Thanks.Modern design plays a large role way more than just thin faces. Shifting weight has arguably played even a bigger role. Things like tungsten can dramatically shaft CG and assist in launch angle. Reduction of spin is fairly common as lofts go down, but with weight, a club can actually assist with launch.
Hot take on the gaps into wedges:
The real issue is people don’t want to learn how to hit different shots and distances from full to partial swings with their PW.
Don’t @ me. Creativity is dead.
What amazes me about lofting, is how there can be a genuinely 'stock' loft belief, while all swings are different. Take for example my swing and @OITW. I hit the ball interplanetary, and he hits it fairly low. Why in the world would we play identical lofts expecting the same result?
part of this age of fitting, lofts should be super personal. While I am the anomaly, I don't see anyone worried about the lofts of my irons (which are absolutely strong to stock) when I hit the ball higher than most people I play with.