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Oh man - that's a feeling you never get tired of.
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That's why I was not really concerned about the Descent Angle. They seem to launch high, I just didn't pay attention to it.
My spin was in the lower 4's which is what it usually is.
An "Iron Striker" I'm not.
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I'd rather not go back into the HL's as I play some pretty firm fairways in the summer and the bigger sole does seem to make it more difficult to get through the ball.
still have not done a full set test of the 925 HL but did get another chance at testing a 925 HM 7i vs my 923 HL. Really almost identical of my first test where I lose some yards with the 923 but have a better decent than the 925 HM. All in all, I'll probably stick with the 923HL for now.
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Have you noticed any significant drop off between the 923 HL and the 923 HM? I'm assuming you compared both before deciding on the 923 HL.
I'm trying to decide on the 925's and can't decide if I should go with the HL or the HM. Here's an interesting video comparing the 923 HL with the 925 HL. Pay particular attention to the heat map that he shows for the two clubs which demonstrates how much more forgiving the 925 HL is. Of course, this doesn't really answer the question of HL or HM.
925 HL vs 923 HL
I have compared the G430 and G430 HL from Ping and the HL definitely worked better for this senior golfer. Surprisingly, no distance loss which I attributed to the faster swing speed with the lighter shaft and grip of the HL model.
Have you noticed any significant drop off between the 923 HL and the 923 HM? I'm assuming you compared both before deciding on the 923 HL.
I'm trying to decide on the 925's and can't decide if I should go with the HL or the HM. Here's an interesting video comparing the 923 HL with the 925 HL. Pay particular attention to the heat map that he shows for the two clubs which demonstrates how much more forgiving the 925 HL is. Of course, this doesn't really answer the question of HL or HM.
925 HL vs 923 HL
I have compared the G430 and G430 HL from Ping and the HL definitely worked better for this senior golfer. Surprisingly, no distance loss which I attributed to the faster swing speed with the lighter shaft and grip of the HL model.
I'll say my experience with the HMP 7 iron at 28* and compare it to my Edels at 32*. Peak height was in a more acceptable range while the Edels pushed it too high. I was able to hold a green yesterday on a weird course layout where the front of the green was elevated down to the back (reversed from normal) with a 6 iron shot. The spin and descent angles are really solid.
To me descent angle is more about peak height. So if you know that number you tend to be ok.
To me descent angle is more about peak height. So if you know that number you tend to be ok.
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I'm a notorious "Out on the Toe" hitter.
After watching the video review, almost makes me want to keep my 923HL
923 on top
I haven't had a chance to play a full set of 923 HL, only the 925 HL 7i. Since the majority of my time is out towards the toe I saw almost no difference between the 923 HL and the 925HL, other than maybe a slightly better feel with the 923HL. Both clubs were virtually identical except my 923 are 1* up. I have hit the 925HM but I don't have the swing speed to accurately compare it to my 923HL even though both have the same shaft.
If you have a good swing speed the HM should work well for you. I like the high launch of the HL better for my type of swing and game.
Read this whole thread, a lot good info in here. So can get a set of JPX925 Pros 6-GW with my choice of graphite UST Dart 90 S Recoils or MMT 85/105 S for $900?
My irons are like 6 years old now (Apex CF19) with Recoil 95S. Aerotech Steelfiber in play +$65 each at these prices too.
Hard for me to find these to hit as a lefty, any advice as to what graphite shaft to choose if I order blind? I hate too lite shafts, 7 iron is 155-160. Driver SS 95-100. Thx.
My irons are like 6 years old now (Apex CF19) with Recoil 95S. Aerotech Steelfiber in play +$65 each at these prices too.
Hard for me to find these to hit as a lefty, any advice as to what graphite shaft to choose if I order blind? I hate too lite shafts, 7 iron is 155-160. Driver SS 95-100. Thx.
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DART 90 does not feel light to me. I think you'd find a lot to like there if you've played the 95. Sounds like a killer combination to me.
Gotta agree with @Hawk if you had good success with the Recoil95 I think DART 90 would be really good
Both shafts are excellent for the 925's. I have the MMT 85S in my HM and that shaft is working really well. If i recall i think it is about 88G but don't quote me on that. ZERO issue with height and holding greens.
I swing a bit faster and I am using the MMT 105S in the 925s. They don't feel too light, in my opinion, and I'm coming from 120g steel. I do think the MMT play slightly stiffer than other stiff graphite I've played in the past. They don't feel as smooth as recoils to me, but they're not harsh at all.
I have the 925 HMs (not Pros). During my fitting I hit the Dart 90s, MMT 85s, and Steelfiber i95s. I ultimately chose the Steelfiber i95s, but the Dart 90s were darn close. I had slightly more consistent distance with the i95s. My previous gamers were Cleveland UHX with Recoil Proto 95s F4.
I think you'll not go wrong with any of those shaft choices with the HMPs!
I was able to go to a local golf store after work and hit a LH 7 iron HMP today. I’ve never gotten decent spin, launch, and landing angle off mats but the numbers scared me they were crazy low. The club felt beautiful though, I thought I hit alot great shots. I know I should ignore this as my Apex CF19s do the same at this store off the mats and the Bridgestone ball or rock they use. I have no problem launching my CF19s and holding greens with the Callaway CTX I use.
Anyways, started with the Recoil Dart 90S and honestly felt it was too light. I don’t like light shafts in irons, feel like its OTT or pulls etc.
Switched to the MMT 105S and immediately liked the weight and hit better shots. Felt I was banging off the heel a bit causing a pull, same with the Darts too.
Guy came by and I asked if they had the Mizuno Optimizer, he said yes so he went and got the tablet. Amazingly, the results confirmed the best graphite shaft for me was the MMT 105S. Top 3 shafts just for kickers were these which would just destroy my elbows.
Optimizer also recommended 1* flat, another feel I felt hitting balls.
I’m thinking about this, if I can just ignore the low spin and landing angle numbers and go with how the club felt, I’ll pull the trigger tomorrow. The deal is too good with the shaft.
Oh, the Optimizer also recommended no lower than a 6 iron which is what I play now and would order. I go hybrids 5,4 etc.
Anyways, started with the Recoil Dart 90S and honestly felt it was too light. I don’t like light shafts in irons, feel like its OTT or pulls etc.
Switched to the MMT 105S and immediately liked the weight and hit better shots. Felt I was banging off the heel a bit causing a pull, same with the Darts too.
Guy came by and I asked if they had the Mizuno Optimizer, he said yes so he went and got the tablet. Amazingly, the results confirmed the best graphite shaft for me was the MMT 105S. Top 3 shafts just for kickers were these which would just destroy my elbows.
| - NS Pro Modus 115 S 4.90 | 118g |
| - PROJECT X LZ 6.0 - 4.90 | 120g |
| - NS Pro Modus 120 S 4.70 | 114g |
Optimizer also recommended 1* flat, another feel I felt hitting balls.
I’m thinking about this, if I can just ignore the low spin and landing angle numbers and go with how the club felt, I’ll pull the trigger tomorrow. The deal is too good with the shaft.
Oh, the Optimizer also recommended no lower than a 6 iron which is what I play now and would order. I go hybrids 5,4 etc.
What kind of ball were you hitting? That could affect it!
Surprised it said now lower than a 6 iron with your swing speed recommending stiff shafts. My buddy has a set of 925 HMPs and I hit the 4 iron awesome which I never would have imagined. They’ve got some kind of magic going on with them and I can consistently carry it 200yds and 210 total. But I also have high spin to a fault. He has Modus 105 in them which is the same profile as the Modus 115 that was your top shaft and they are very smooth. Might want to give those a try if you aren’t dead set on graphite.
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IIRC, Mizuno made the 925 Lie Angle Standard 1* up from previous versions as their data suggested that most end up going 1* upright.
So you going 1* Flat is the 923 "Standard"
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It’s a Bridgestone like an E6 I think. I saw one in the tray and tossed it out had a huge crack in it. I hate those balls whatever they are, I think I’ll go today before my SIM league and bring my Callaway CTX just to see. I’m talking seeing spin 4k and lower, decent angle 38, and peak height 23 yds. Not ideal.
Graphite only is my option to next poster, tennis elbow issues in past w steel. Not going back ever to that pain.
It’s 1 degree more upright in the PW-SW and 0.5 degrees more upright in the 4-9 based on the spec charts for each.
I bumped my 923HK +1 degree all around and it worked out for me, even in my GW, PW.
I haven't played any full rounds since my last check in with these, but some range sessions and random holes. When you catch these middle they really feel powerful, almost like the ball jumps off the face. It's a different feeling but I really like it. It's honestly a really good piece of feedback for me to know I did things correct. And with mis-hits still having a lot of speed I don't see a super large different in the distance dispersion.
I played in some cold and windy conditions yesterday. 34 degrees. The greens were pretty much frozen, but the descent angles definitely allowed me to hold greens. Was surprised I didn’t bounce/run through any of those concrete greens. And the soles definitely handled the firm fairways very well.
