I see a woman golfer every time I play, but that is my wife.
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No. On a side note one thing I have observed is all of the ladies tees I have seen are too long. I see many women hitting a lot of fairway woods into par 4's and 3's. You can tell a man set up those tees. Maybe this is part of the reason more women don't play? Hard to score when you are hitting fairway woods into the majority of par 4's. Even the pros have trouble hitting greens with fairway woods. My suggestion would be to either move the tees up, or start turning some of those par 4's into par 5's. The average drive for all women is 166 yards (that number changes depending on HI and age). If that is the case a 300 yard hole for most women is driver and wood/hybrid. I see some par 4's for women that are well over 300 yards. That said, bogey would be a good score on most holes, but I imagine it can get frustrating not having very many opportunities for par or birdie.
Yep. It’s been a great addition to our membershipAt your home course (or courses in your area) are you seeing more women players these days...?
No. On a side note one thing I have observed is all of the ladies tees I have seen are too long. I see many women hitting a lot of fairway woods into par 4's and 3's. You can tell a man set up those tees. Maybe this is part of the reason more women don't play? Hard to score when you are hitting fairway woods into the majority of par 4's. Even the pros have trouble hitting greens with fairway woods. My suggestion would be to either move the tees up, or start turning some of those par 4's into par 5's. The average drive for all women is 166 yards (that number changes depending on HI and age). If that is the case a 300 yard hole for most women is driver and wood/hybrid. I see some par 4's for women that are well over 300 yards. That said, bogey would be a good score on most holes, but I imagine it can get frustrating not having very many opportunities for par or birdie.
I would argue this is not a "ladies tee" problem...it is a "forward tees too long for some people" problem. I have mentioned previously a story of some guys I play with who tend to bomb their best drives less than 200 being forced to play too long on a nice course and not enjoying it. There is a cutoff somewhere for how short a tee a course can do...but a quick look at average length of recreational golfers tells us it is likely shorter than the current offerings at some, perhaps even most courses
Most women are most comfortable playing amongst themselves or with their husbands if married. Most have had experiences on the course and driving range where men have tried to tell them how to play. It is not appreciated unless asked. So it is rare that you will see women playing in random groups on the golf course. We will play in our clubs. Sometimes we will request to play as singles. Some of us like me don't care.
I agree. I play the senior tees myself.I would argue this is not a "ladies tee" problem...it is a "forward tees too long for some people" problem. I have mentioned previously a story of some guys I play with who tend to bomb their best drives less than 200 being forced to play too long on a nice course and not enjoying it. There is a cutoff somewhere for how short a tee a course can do...but a quick look at average length of recreational golfers tells us it is likely shorter than the current offerings at some, perhaps even most courses
I play munis. I am seeing more younger women playing.
I played 18 yesterday. I was paired with three ladies. I learned later a 57, 65 and 89 year old.
I heard them speaking about a league wrap up the following night. Thats my wife's Tuesday morning ladies league. I asked them if they knew my wife, they did. That broke the ice.
By # 6 we were waiting for the group in front of us, four men. The Marshall was speaking to them and then came up to us and told us "Less talking and more walking", referring to the guys in front of us, but added, that usually happens with the women.
These gals took offence to that. I then told them the sentence I read from Mr Pennick's :friends book :The trouble with women golfers-their husbands.
The ladies all agreed.
We had a great time. We talked, laughed and played golf.
I told my wife this morning about this thread. She often gets on as a single and she told me, very few men give her advice. Lucky for them they don't, lol
Playing most my golf as a single fitting in with whatever opening there is I've often enough been with women. Sometimes all 3 and other times just one or two. I have heard so many comments through the years relating to slowness whenever women are seen and honeslty I have yet to experience one single time with women that they are a pace issue. Im sure its exists jut like it does with men but i have found (when playing with them) they are most always never an issue.I was paired up with 2 older ladies just the other day. I'll admit, when I got to the first tee I was like "oh god, how bad is this going to be? I'm going to be out here all day long!" But I was pleasantly surprised that they were great players .. well one was anyway. They would help out looking for balls, go up ahead & tell me when the fairway was clear, etc. They thought they were playing with a pro at first because I birdied the first 2 holes. I then told them as I was walking off #3 green ... "Told you I would come back to earth." because I missed the green & left with bogey.
But to the question, I haven't really seen More per se. It seems like women around my area have been playing for a long time. Especially my neighborhood full of "stay at home" moms & retirees
I haven’t been. In my experience, the ones that play out there have been fantastic and repeatedly beat a lot of stupid male golfers.At your home course (or courses in your area) are you seeing more women players these days...?
Playing most my golf as a single fitting in with whatever opening there is I've often enough been with women. Sometimes all 3 and other times just one or two. I have heard so many comments through the years relating to slowness whenever women are seen and honeslty I have yet to experience one single time with women that they are a pace issue. Im sure its exists jut like it does with men but i have found (when playing with them) they are most always never an issue.
But here is what is ridiculous. With golf being mostly (by far majority) men. And all the complaints and crying about pace. How what why in the world do so many men automatically assume (and even say) its going to be slow soon as they see any women? I mean how can they even think for a moment knowing full well golf is 90% or more men that the few women they see are the pace issue? I dont get it.
But they can still move about very respectfully quick just like I can when I have a really bad ball striking day and are hacking my way from tees till holed. If one moves about with a purpose in an efficient manor keeping respectable pace is not an issue whether shooting 80 or 100.I believe it comes down to two factors.
1. They play from a tee box further up. It adds time to go from the back tee to the front tee. Over 18 holes, it adds up
2. Women typically don't hit it as far as men. It can take 2, sometimes 3 shots, before they get to the man's drive.
Both add time to the round
A woman plays with us on Fridays. She shoots 100+ almost every round, and there's probably not a faster player on the course. She parks her cart ahead of ours at our tee box so she can get right to her tee box after we hit, and she doesn't waste a microsecond of time. Her pre-shot routine is so fast that you'll miss it if you blink, she plays ready golf and is always in position and ready when it's her turn. If she loses a ball she'll do a quick search, then drop and let's move on. I don't care what she scores, if everybody played as fast as her there would never be a slow play problem on any course. And besides all that, she's one of the happiest, most positive people you'll ever meet. Just somebody who is an all-around pleasure to golf with.But they can still move about very respectfully quick just like I can when I have a really bad ball striking day and are hacking my way from tees till holed. If one moves about with a purpose in an efficient manor keeping respectable pace is not an issue whether shooting 80 or 100.
In fact if hitting relatively short, there is little to no lost balls nor searching to do.