Odyssey S2S Tri-Hot Putters

[ChrisATL]

Did you have your other putter anything other than stock?

Lab was 1 degree flat and heavier weight head. That’s it.

 

[JW Smoove]

Couple random answer here.

No adjustments made.

I will have time to practice putting in the garage - with no golf after Tuesday for 6-8 weeks - so the no thumb practice will be added.

I think the face is hotter than any I can recall - as @Jman said the roll is so tight, so quick - so anti skid that I think it plays hotter despite feeling softer - I have had a number of putts that while I did hit them short they ended up much closer than they felt like they should have been, I recall in my last round, saying out loud 'gotta hit it' and the ball just kept going. So yea, hot face likely due to faster better roll?

 

[Jman]

Couple random answer here.

No adjustments made.

I will have time to practice putting in the garage - with no golf after Tuesday for 6-8 weeks - so the no thumb practice will be added.

I think the face is hotter than any I can recall - as @Jman said the roll is so tight, so quick - so anti skid that I think it plays hotter despite feeling softer - I have had a number of putts that while I did hit them short they ended up much closer than they felt like they should have been, I recall in my last round, saying out loud 'gotta hit it' and the ball just kept going. So yea, hot face likely due to faster better roll?

Increased pace potential due to the increased efficiency of the insert for sure.

 

[Jeff Spicoli]

Increased pace potential due to the increased efficiency of the insert for sure.

The face doesn’t feel or play hot for me. For me, hot implies a level of speed that is unexpected and not controlled. The speed and distance control has been stellar with the Tri-Hot.

 

[Jman]

The face doesn’t feel or play hot for me. For me, hot implies a level of speed that is unexpected and not controlled. The speed and distance control has been stellar with the Tri-Hot.

I don’t consider it hot, I consider it efficient.

In all my years of reviewing, hot, when it comes to a putter has always been a much more springy firm feedback, like the ball jumps off. Here, it’s not that, it’s efficient, quick, true, and that efficiency equates to easier distance, even with a softer feel.

 

[ChrisATL]

I don’t consider it hot, I consider it efficient.

In all my years of reviewing, hot, when it comes to a putter has always been a much more springy firm feedback, like the ball jumps off. Here, it’s not that, it’s efficient, quick, true, and that efficiency equates to easier distance, even with a softer feel.

That’s a good way to put it - it’s very soft but should not have to muscle it in any way.

 

[Pharaoh]

Interesting I was lagging the original S2S quite well it was the short ones that were killing me. Is the softer insert messing with the distance control for you?

The softer insert definitely is an adjustment but just in general I feel longer putts I’m leaving short right now on slower greens. Short putts I just don’t think there’s as much guess work. I do think the softer insert takes some getting use to as far as calculating putts feel wise.

 

[amarkabove]

I don’t consider it hot, I consider it efficient.

In all my years of reviewing, hot, when it comes to a putter has always been a much more springy firm feedback, like the ball jumps off. Here, it’s not that, it’s efficient, quick, true, and that efficiency equates to easier distance, even with a softer feel.

I like this wording.

I have an old stupid MaxFli insert putter that the lightest touch seems to send the ball flying. It’s a flat insert that almost seems rubber band the ball and very hard to control distance. That to me would be “hot.”

I really like calling this insert efficient. And I’d add deliberate.

 

[THE BOV]

The face doesn’t feel or play hot for me. For me, hot implies a level of speed that is unexpected and not controlled. The speed and distance control has been stellar with the Tri-Hot.

Agree with this.. my biggest struggle putting going into GD was lag putting as I didn’t have great distance control. Maybe it’s confidence w/ this putter but I seemed to be pretty good w/ that @ The Hideaway. I don’t really remember any getting away and a decent amount kicked back to me. That’s always a good feeling.

 

[outlawx]

The softer insert definitely is an adjustment but just in general I feel longer putts I’m leaving short right now on slower greens. Short putts I just don’t think there’s as much guess work. I do think the softer insert takes some getting use to as far as calculating putts feel wise.

So you think it’s more time of the season than the putter?

 

[Coulter]

Gotta put for the 2nd round with my Rossie. Short putts were really solid. I was really struggling on longer putts but I attribute that to the greens being slower than I’ve ever seen at that course I’m guessing because of the snow and frozen temps lately. Definitely not the set up you want when trying to get the hang of a new putter. I will say things definitely started to warm up late. I think again with ZT you just have to make sure you aren’t doing too much and just let the putter do the work.

This was something that really stood out to me when I first started really considering the S2S Tri-Hot Cruiser. I didn’t realize how much I had to fight a toe hang putter to get square until I had a putter in hand that I didn’t have to fight.

 

[PhillyV]

Official Testing Update:

For about the last 4 weeks or so, I've been testing the Odyssey S2S Tr-Hot #7. I'll do a quick rundown of my game when it comes to putting and get on to the review itself. I'm currently a 4.5 handicap. I've been as low as 1.6 this year and a high of 4.7. Short game has been my biggest outside of questionable course management. A combination of weak chipping, pitching, and putting have derailed some potentially good rounds and put a lot of pressure of other parts of my game.

Since putting the Tri-Hot #7 in the bag I have seen an incremental improvement in my putting with each round I've used it. Based on the conversation in this thread, there is a get-to-know-you period with this putter. For anyone who has not used a center shaft or zero torque putter, getting used to a different putter style should not be a surprise. I have used a zero-torque putter before, but it's been a while, so the setup and feel of the putter took some getting used to. The first few times I used the Tri-Hot I was very aware of the fact that the head did not want to move or twist like a normal putter. It was distracting for me at first. Playing yesterday I did not notice it once.

I am someone who like center shaft putters so that appearance does not bother me. In fact, I find that my alignment is better with CS putters. What has bothered me in the past with zero-torque putters has been how far back the hosel is from the face of the putter. Odyssey solved that issue with the Tri-Hot as they've managed to move it forward without sacrificing the benefit of a zero-torque (ZT) putter. The benefit of ZT is that it minimizes twisting by helping to keep the face square which means better contact and more putts hit on target. The other huge part of this change is that you no longer need to forward press. Many ZT putters require you to press your hands forward or require a special grip to help with this, but not with the Tri-Hot. The forward press for me creates an inconsistency which defeats the purpose of ZT. And it's just not how I putt.

Sorry to go off into the weeds there, but it's important for people to know this is a much more natural experience than what they may have previously seen with ZT putters.

There is a lot to like with the S2S Tri-Hot. One thing that has surprised me with this testing is the success I'm having on long putts. Having used a ZT putter previously, I struggled with lag putting--I could never get the feel right there. I think that success is a combination of many of the updates for this model. The new Ai-Dual insert helps maintain consistent ball speed across the face (I know I'm not hitting the center all the time, especially on long putts); the Forward Roll Design, which has noticeable deeper grooves that has 19* of slope designed to improve forward roll up and down the face; the multi-material construction of the head using lighter aluminum in the back with 140 grams of tungsten giving added forgiveness, and going to a heavier and stiffer shaft.

For someone who has struggled with distance control this past year, the immediate comfort and success I saw with the Tri-Hot has been huge in improving my confidence on the greens.

What should not come as a surprise is how well the S2S Tri-Hot works on short putts. That is also an area where I have struggled with, and it is honestly difficult to hit one offline using the #7. The #7 has a simple alignment aid that makes it so simple to see if you are not only lined up in the middle of the clubface but square. For someone like me who can get 'handsy' on short putts, the stability of the ZT aspect this putter provides is huge. My miss is right on short ones and it's usually because I decelerate or just push it. I am putting those short ones now with a new level of confidence.

Stepping a bit further back from the hole to the 7–20-foot range, I am impressed with the Tri-Hot ability to get the ball started and staying on my intended line. I made 4 putts yesterday in the 7-10 range, which is much more than the norm for me. The ones that I missed in the 15-20 range were because I got too aggressive and had too much speed or just misread the putt altogether.

There has been conversation in here about the grip and it's worth noting that the stock mid-sized pistol grip is a huge improvement over the Ai-One models. It has a ridge or line down the middle of the back of the putter and helps as a reminder of where to place your hands and it fits comfortably for me.

As we start to get to the end of the official testing period, it's safe to say the S2S Tri-Hot has exceeded my expectations for what I zero-torque putter can be. Moving the hosel forward with the manipulation of materials has taken the awkwardness out of the stroke for me while maintaining the benefits of the stability ZT provides. Add in the incredible insert and groove design, this putter has a premium feel and roll.

Love hearing all of this and I’m going to hold off as long as I can but this will make its way to my hands somehow.

Do you think your lag putting improvements have anything to do with not having to forward press?

 

[TWright]

I’ve been telling people to use that putting drill for about 15 years here on THP.

Honestly this is the first time I’ve noticed it. But a note for my practice has been added. Thanks @Jman

 

[outlawx]

This was something that really stood out to me when I first started really considering the S2S Tri-Hot Cruiser. I didn’t realize how much I had to fight a toe hang putter to get square until I had a putter in hand that I didn’t have to fight.

What putter did you come from?

 

[Coulter]

What putter did you come from?

This is a fun answer.. Tommy Armour #2, Lombardi PC-308, Logical One Wide Blade, then after some suggestions from the Grandaddy team I started using an Odyssey White I e D.A.R.T. That’s a face balanced Mallet.
I was putting much better with the Odyssey but still seeing some real good results even over that putter the the Cruiser

 

[Jeff Spicoli]

Love hearing all of this and I’m going to hold off as long as I can but this will make its way to my hands somehow.

Do you think your lag putting improvements have anything to do with not having to forward press?

with the old S2S I really do think having to forward press created an inconsistent setup and lack of feel

 

[PhillyV]

with the old S2S I really do think having to forward press created an inconsistent setup and lack of feel

That’s what killed me with it and part of why I parted ways with it so fast

 

[Pharaoh]

So you think it’s more time of the season than the putter?

This time of the year is tough here. Everything froze super early and we got snow storms which is not normal in Dec. Like some of the fast greens right now are absolutely dead slow especially into the grain or uphill. Like yesterday I had a downhill that two months ago would have rolled 7 ft by by tapping. I gave it a full stroke and stopped downhill hill 5 ft short ON THE HILL. So it’s like recalibrating yourself while trying to caliberate a new putter.

 

[outlawx]

This is a fun answer.. Tommy Armour #2, Lombardi PC-308, Logical One Wide Blade, then after some suggestions from the Grandaddy team I started using an Odyssey White I e D.A.R.T. That’s a face balanced Mallet.
I was putting much better with the Odyssey but still seeing some real good results even over that putter the the Cruiser

Did you go through a few putters in your fitting?

 

[outlawx]

This time of the year is tough here. Everything froze super early and we got snow storms which is not normal in Dec. Like some of the fast greens right now are absolutely dead slow especially into the grain or uphill. Like yesterday I had a downhill that two months ago would have rolled 7 ft by by tapping. I gave it a full stroke and stopped downhill hill 5 ft short ON THE HILL. So it’s like recalibrating yourself while trying to caliberate a new putter.

Yeah I get that it’s a tough time of year trying to get dialed on the greens

 

[mson]

I don’t consider it hot, I consider it efficient.

In all my years of reviewing, hot, when it comes to a putter has always been a much more springy firm feedback, like the ball jumps off. Here, it’s not that, it’s efficient, quick, true, and that efficiency equates to easier distance, even with a softer feel.

I think this captures really well what I was experiencing when I tried it out the other day. Just a very different putting experience. Ball starts rolling right away and it was super easy to get the distance, which made it easier to have more consistency. Found it made the distance control easier.

 

[TrapGodEvan]

I think this captures really well what I was experiencing when I tried it out the other day. Just a very different putting experience. Ball starts rolling right away and it was super easy to get the distance, which made it easier to have more consistency. Found it made the distance control easier.

Agreed with this. It’s a faster roll for sure but efficient is the perfect word for this insert as it is very consistent.

 

[JW Smoove]

The face doesn’t feel or play hot for me. For me, hot implies a level of speed that is unexpected and not controlled. The speed and distance control has been stellar with the Tri-Hot.

I don’t consider it hot, I consider it efficient.

In all my years of reviewing, hot, when it comes to a putter has always been a much more springy firm feedback, like the ball jumps off. Here, it’s not that, it’s efficient, quick, true, and that efficiency equates to easier distance, even with a softer feel.

You both state it better than I did. In retrospect, hot was not what I meant, I agree with efficient. And I agree with controlled. I will say, that I feel like I get more distance on some strokes that felt on impact as if they would be considerably short - and that was where I got 'hot' from - but like others have said, hot is unexpected - and in my case, I get a lot of putts that exactly as I expect them to be - both in distance and direction - so hot was wrong, it would be seem that the roll starts so fast that's where I am getting the better distance - not because the face is hot and creates 'fliers' for lack of a better way to put it.

Thanks fellows for making me come back to this.

 

[Jman]

Agree with this.. my biggest struggle putting going into GD was lag putting as I didn’t have great distance control. Maybe it’s confidence w/ this putter but I seemed to be pretty good w/ that @ The Hideaway. I don’t really remember any getting away and a decent amount kicked back to me. That’s always a good feeling.

These are FANTASTIC on lags

 

[Lsquared]

What were you gaming previously and what has made it such a bright spot during the round?

I was previously gaming a SC NP2. One of my playing partners was playing a SC NP and while was putting, I notice how much the face twisted on his mishits.

What has helped me with the Rossie is how stable the head is. It's really a point and shoot putter. I don’t have to worry much about line or distance. The soft insert has also been a big help with speed control.