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So if I understand correctly, the higher the number (1010, 1018, 1020, and so forth) equals the higher quality of the forging material? Do the #'s represent softness/hardness in any way?
Could it be that Scratch's orders/initial deal with the company forging was to be 1018, then unbeknown to them the forging house ends up dropping the ball and delivering them with an inferior metal that their unaware of? Would a company send out each batch to have tested to confirm 100%, I would doubt it. I also doubt 99% of human hands could tell a feel difference between 1010 and 1020 forgings.

Lastly, TSG...why are your dang shipping prices so high? I was set to place a pricey order last year and when I saw the shipping price I forgot about it.
 
This whole thing is kind of a joke if you ask me. The messenger in this case obviously has some issues with Scratch golf and made some "opinions" known before doing the test. When told that he should have done the test, he did the test and posted his findings. He was still bashed relentlessly for it despite doing exactly what he has said he was going to do. Prove through testing that the metals were false. however with that being said, the problem still lies in the messenger. The messenger in this case had no issues doing business with Scratch and selling these products previously and now came to the conclusion since he is not selling them anymore that there may be some issues. If a legitimate media source rather that a competing store would have broken this news, it might have had a chance. However on other boards where people are enamored with products, it stood no chance.

With all that being said, Ari responded the way he should. If it were me, I would have handled it differently rather than forum debates, but that is just me. He also ran his own test that shows that he is using the correct metals and is proving it. In the end, he did the right thing by using a lab and sending it off despite the fact that he did not have to do it at all.

In the end, what has happened? Absolutely nothing. You still have the same people in love with their clubs and their service and you still have the same people that have tried them and don't believe the hype. Wedges still come down to personal choice and the more you try and hit the better you will get at finding the right club for you.

I said openly that I did not like the way Chris handled it, but more from a standpoint of rather than accusing someone of lying, have proof that they are first. The messenger in this case sells competing products and for some reason wanted to turn the fascination to the media side of things to bury a product that he too used to profit from. I would have definitely handled that differently, but again, that is just me.

So in the end, we have two reports, both showing two completely different things. We have the people that love them still loving them and the people that didnt still not. It reminds me a lot of the old Mike Tyson fights. Hype for months and then very little steak to go with the sizzle. Nothing has changed, nothing really will change, and people should still find the right wedge for them.
 
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weird, it seems that when you're paying money to a lab for a test, they seem to find a way to tell you just what you want to hear.....
 
lefty said:
weird, it seems that when you're paying money to a lab for a test, they seem to find a way to tell you just what you want to hear.....
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Or what he is saying is the truth..... Scratch does have a history of errors that they always blame on someone else! From this to the putters to extremely slow shipping of items that are supposed to be in stock.
 
Cja09 said:
Or what he is saying is the truth..... Scratch does have a history of errors that they always blame on someone else! From this to the putters to extremely slow shipping of items that are supposed to be in stock.
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I was mainly pointing out that the scratch funded test proved 1018, the other test proved something else, both tests gave the result that the person who funded the test was looking for

two tests, two different results, two different people paying
 
what a surprise. the thread was locked on WRX. lol
 
lefty said:
I was mainly pointing out that the scratch funded test proved 1018, the other test proved something else, both tests gave the result that the person who funded the test was looking for

two tests, two different results, two different people paying
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Actually its looks like one test shows that the carbon level (?) is similar to that of 1018, but doesn't say exactly what the metal is.

The other says it is not 1018.

Neither test says the metal is 1018, and both sides have interpreted that result in their own way. Looking at that I would conclude that it is not actually 1018.

Does anyone care? Not me. If the issue is about the metal who really cares as long as it works for those who use it.

If the issue is about honesty in advertising, well the 1018 issue, the guy who is dead- but is still forging irons from the grave, the old clone heads being represented as new and original etc etc is all pretty funny. Sort of puts the company at the level of the Hammer Driver guys in regards to the claims. It's particularly stupid in this case as the product is apparently decent.

Are they really expensive or something? If they are about the same price as other wedges then again- who cares?
 
I think their marketing plan is flawed, but that is just my opinion and not that of anybody else here. They have a cult following on the internet and part of that is because they give access to people "behind the curtain" to the CEO, the tour, etc...But like you said, their truth in advertising is a little foggy. It goes back to my thoughts about the "we dont pay players to play our clubs", except when they do.

Ari has an explanation for the metal test, but I have not heard any thoughts on the forging being done by a person that has passed away. I am curious to hear those.

In the end, you have a company that is growing quite a bit based on their equipment. Why not let the equipment stand on its own for exactly what it is? Let the company stand on its own for exactly what it is? My opinion only of course, but does paying players have a ruining on clubs? Will it make it less cult? Tell that to Scotty Cameron.
 
JB said:
I think their marketing plan is flawed, but that is just my opinion and not that of anybody else here. They have a cult following on the internet and part of that is because they give access to people "behind the curtain" to the CEO, the tour, etc...But like you said, their truth in advertising is a little foggy. It goes back to my thoughts about the "we dont pay players to play our clubs", except when they do.

Ari has an explanation for the metal test, but I have not heard any thoughts on the forging being done by a person that has passed away. I am curious to hear those.

In the end, you have a company that is growing quite a bit based on their equipment. Why not let the equipment stand on its own for exactly what it is? Let the company stand on its own for exactly what it is? My opinion only of course, but does paying players have a ruining on clubs? Will it make it less cult? Tell that to Scotty Cameron.
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they sure do have a cult following. and that ALMOST kept me from buying their wedges. there are a few members over at WRX who would bash others relentlessly for merely questioning Scratch's quality. now that i have bought them and played them i can honestly say it is ALL hype. they arent any better than any other premium wedge on the market.

and we probably never will hear the explanation about the guy who passed away because the mods over at WRX quickly locked the thread.
 
KickaPoo said:
they sure do have a cult following. and that ALMOST kept me from buying their wedges. there are a few members over at WRX who would bash others relentlessly for merely questioning Scratch's quality. now that i have bought them and played them i can honestly say it is ALL hype. they arent any better than any other premium wedge on the market.

and we probably never will hear the explanation about the guy who passed away because the mods over at WRX quickly locked the thread.
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Like I said before, I did not like the way TourSpec handled the situation, but he did ask legitimate questions. I looked into it on our end and he is correct from what we were told about the man passing away. I would love to get an explanation about that? In the end, it means very little, and my gut feeling tells me that there is a pretty easy explanation behind it, but what if there isn't? Does that change the quality of the wedges? I dont think so, but I am also in the minority.
 
So let me get this right....
Scratch sells expensive Japanese golf equipment (by US standards)
TSG sells expensive Japanese golf equipment
I assume that Scratch gets more revenue than TSG??

I have read most everything and agree with JB's side of it...

The only thing that gets me.....like others...is.....why now??
What was the underlying issue that caused all this to bubble to the surface now....

Like the Tootsie Pop commercial...the world may never know....

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can we do a colesnotes recap to get newcomers to this debate semi up to speed on whats being alleged? Im trying to catch up becasue this seems interesting but i am so lost in 4 different forums i dont know what everyone is really arguing about?


the geotech heads look like srixon i701 tours... neat
 
Sorry to revive this dead thread, but I have been wondering this for a while. I love Scratch products so I don't want to sound like a scratch hater. Does them (wedges) being 1010 carbon make them less durable? I only ask because I have had the JLM, 1018 non conforming, 1018 conforming, and scratch fit (1018) wedges and they all wear very fast. Much faster than many other forged wedges I have tried. I picked up an older model to use as a backup and it may have hit about 75 balls and the face and sole are both browning already. I keep all my clubs extremely clean and wipe them after every shot. This only ever happens with my scratch wedges.

Again, I absolutely love the look and feel of the wedges. This is just an honest question about durability. I had the 8620 cast wedges for a couple years before switching to the forged and they all still had their milling on them. May eventually go back to the 8620's.
 
Mongo Smash said:
Sorry to revive this dead thread, but I have been wondering this for a while. I love Scratch products so I don't want to sound like a scratch hater. Does them (wedges) being 1010 carbon make them less durable? I only ask because I have had the JLM, 1018 non conforming, 1018 conforming, and scratch fit (1018) wedges and they all wear very fast. Much faster than many other forged wedges I have tried. I picked up an older model to use as a backup and it may have hit about 75 balls and the face and sole are both browning already. I keep all my clubs extremely clean and wipe them after every shot. This only ever happens with my scratch wedges.

Again, I absolutely love the look and feel of the wedges. This is just an honest question about durability. I had the 8620 cast wedges for a couple years before switching to the forged and they all still had their milling on them. May eventually go back to the 8620's.
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Wish I could be more help Mongo but all I know is that the two that I owned wore VERY fast to me as well, it was a big turnoff for me personally. They aren't bad clubs at all, but the wear surprised me a good bit.
 
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