So interesting. You launched higher with the TGI but spun more to PGI. Smash was better with TGI though.
But your height and land angles were better with TGI.
Srixon ZXiR and ZXiR HL: Expanding Performance to Every Golfer
But your height and land angles were better with TGI.
This is great data! Looking back, I may have changed shafts. The Modus 105 is a go to shaft. I seriously considererd the Tour Lites just for the extra height.
My concern about the ZXIRs mid-irons is that on the course, I'll feel more pressure to put a perfect swing on the ball to get enough height, where I trust the height will be there with the ZX5s.
There are two par 3's that often play at a 6-iron distance at my home course that will likely be a 7-iron in the ZXIR. You're dead if you're long on either as it drops off severely and you're trying to get back up to a green that runs away. One's over water, so there isn't room to miss short.
Today's forecast improved a bit. I was supposed to be 52 with 30 mph gusts...not great for outside testing. Now it's going to be 57 with winds 15-20. That gets us in a nice test window...so I'll take them both to a grass range after work.
The only thing that scares me there is the 30 yard front to back difference. Potential distance is amazing, but it's hard to put a confident swing on the ball if you don't know if you're going to be front of the green or 10 yards over the back.
Definitely seems like you're on to something though. The efficiency is wild. Some of those would be good driver numbers.
They are hot. So much so, that I went to an empty sim room to hit a few in there (it was late and the place was empty). I thought there might have been an issue with the sim in my room with some of the numbers I was seeing.
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Questions for those that have hit the ZXiR's &/or mainly the shafts.....
I've already decided on the ZXiR HL for the SRIXON Experience. But the shaft is the question....
Currently play the C-Taper Lite 105 Regular Soft stepped 1x. This is a fairly stout shaft in its weight class but keeps my swing consistent. My Swing Error is getting short in the back swing and quick in transition. From my data a heavier shaft with stiff butt end and low torque tends to help my misses and stay the most consistent.
THE CONTENDERS
MMT 105g Stiff
-Same weight but overall the shaft is more flexible/more torque.
-Can get this shaft in the Utility & Hybrid
-Has proven to be a decent shaft in a current hybrid I have
KBS TGI 95g S++
-EI profiles/torque match the C-Taper Lite but 10g lighter
-On the edge of my weight limit for feel
-Possible hard step 1x to stiffen the butt/handle up as the tip is already softer than the C-Taper Lite
I've already decided on the ZXiR HL for the SRIXON Experience. But the shaft is the question....
Currently play the C-Taper Lite 105 Regular Soft stepped 1x. This is a fairly stout shaft in its weight class but keeps my swing consistent. My Swing Error is getting short in the back swing and quick in transition. From my data a heavier shaft with stiff butt end and low torque tends to help my misses and stay the most consistent.
THE CONTENDERS
MMT 105g Stiff
-Same weight but overall the shaft is more flexible/more torque.
-Can get this shaft in the Utility & Hybrid
-Has proven to be a decent shaft in a current hybrid I have
KBS TGI 95g S++
-EI profiles/torque match the C-Taper Lite but 10g lighter
-On the edge of my weight limit for feel
-Possible hard step 1x to stiffen the butt/handle up as the tip is already softer than the C-Taper Lite
I know. I get it. I feel ya, but holy upside...
I just don't want this to be the Callaway Paradym. That's probably a low blow and I might get beat up for that reference, but I feel like that time era golf manufactures CHASED distance and it made for some really hot but inconsistent front to back dispersion. Hit 3 shots at 170 and then all of sudden I'd get a 195 and be like wtf?
I will say the thing I love about this is it's forcing me the other direction. Ego gets involved and we as golfers always try to push towards the more "tour-like" club. I just went from 105 graphite in Hot Metals (Mizuno's Game Improvement) to 90g Hot Metal Pros (Gamer Distance Category) and now i'm testing 80g in GI, and GI High Launches.
And I will tell you right now, there was not a single thing in feel i was missing. These feel great off the face. And my dispersion has definitely got worse moving from 105 HM to 90 HMP so I'm not sad about going back to GI if I can keep similar numbers and so far I'm seeing numbers that are actually better than my gamers from top to bottom depending on the shaft/head setup.
Do you think you are more impacted by weight or flex?
Well I can help here one both of these I think.
I would be SHOCKED if you swung a MMT 105g and thought to yourself wow that's alot more flexible or whippy than my C Taper. It's been a while since I've been in Steel, but every time I swing a 105 MMT I feel like I'm swinging a piece of rebar. They are very stout from my perspective.
They only had the TGI up to 80g yesterday, but I would say that alot more Steelfiber feeling than I thought it would be, so it's still definitely a stouter shaft. It's less stout and less muted in my opinion than the MMT though.
So many people are tending towards lighter weights these days...vs. higher, so I kind of like the KBS TGI 95g for you, but I know nothing about your data.
Weight has always been a bigger factor than flex for me. I can/have hit a 60g-78g driver shatfs WAY more consistent & better than 50g & below. This also went the same with irons shafts, 85g was either the perfect or I had no clue what happened being it was 4" behind the ball or in front of it.
I can honestly say my MMT 80g-S in my hybrid & my KBS PGI 85g-S play very similar feel which to me has the feel of a kick near the mid-tip. I tried a Steelfiber i95-R and honestly was not happy with the feel but really enjoyed the i110 & the i115fc. But neither are as stout as my C-Taper Lites which to me play very linear in feel. Now all of this is also my feel.
Hearing you say this I would say go with the weight fit option, personally.
Going to do my best to hit them before deciding but of course work is busy right now so no time haha. I do play a KBS PGI 85g-stiff in my Utility 5i and it has been a great club since it entered the bag. But I do find myself struggling to feel the clubhead and shut the face with it more than my set irons with the C-Tapers Lites.
ALLL the options and choosing haha
Another interesting part about the HL vs Regular debate is what it does to the gapping at the top and bottom of the bag.
It's subtle, but also these bags are quite different and I will say I like the gapping and club selections in that HL bag FAR more than i do that Regular bag. I could careless about having that 13* 3w and I like the wedge gapping so much better even if i just stayed at 50-54-58, vs the 6 degree gap at regular.
It's subtle, but also these bags are quite different and I will say I like the gapping and club selections in that HL bag FAR more than i do that Regular bag. I could careless about having that 13* 3w and I like the wedge gapping so much better even if i just stayed at 50-54-58, vs the 6 degree gap at regular.
So the plan was to wait to see how you all and others get on with irons but the more I follow your journey, the more I simply want to buy some HL myself just to see what's what
I take it you like the gap chart on the right better too?
Only thing that matters is you know how far each club carries and it's to your liking
I do. And a lot of it comes down to how I play as a golfer who has to fight and claw to get under a 10 handicap. I have enough distance that the long game isn't critical, but also not skilled enough to be super consistent much outside of 175 yds. I'd rather have to manufacture less and have more options lower in the bag.
Yea and I feel like every time we talk, i think to myself that sounds exactly like me.
I can push a ball 260+ down a fairway if I'm on.
I'm not awful inside 150 or so.
I think I chip and putt at least on par if not better than a high single digit handicap.
It's penalties off of the tee for me, crappy drives that leave a LONG shot in, which is precisely that mark you're talking about 170+ yards.
Oh man I can relate.
Except my approach is my worst part of my game.
that's why I'm like a 14 atm.
That’s where my struggle is right now with how much I will like these long term.
Nuking a 7 iron 175 isn’t nearly as important as being really accurate from 75-160.
I need to land on something at the top end of the bag. Have the Vokey fitting session as part of WWGC 25 last week. I need to match to the bottom of the bag I’ll use this year….which could be a 15 yard difference based on set.
Yeah, that's my head to. Even when I hit that poor drive, my expectation relative to my skill is to simply it get up near-ish the green, say inside 20 yards. So I am not overly concerned with gapping at those distance.
But to @mantan's point, I want to be good inside 150 or so. And for me, I am thinking that means descent angle to stop where it lands.
I've been thinking to myself today, "what if I went 1 strong, or even 2 strong, on the HL?" Add a little distance, still have some extra launch. I don't hate a little lower bounce since I play on firm conditions most of the year.
I'm over here building bags like...
Those HL are perfect gapping! Im glad they line up with my current irons so well
My biggest concern was the 4H area... Some people said the 5H gaps better
Can’t wait to hear how you enjoy playing these.