The 60 and over Thread

Played another 36 on the sim this morning. Plan on playing more this evening. Simulator scores are getting closer to my real scores. Last year they were unrealistically low.
 
When I played in windy 40* weather I was hitting just as long as I had all season! More balls reach the back of the green than the front, using the same clubs as always.

Interesting about the bladed irons having more spin. I just bought a T100 7 iron head to play with, as I had a spare shaft from my failed 5 experiment (wasn't any better than the old 4 iron of the same loft).

It was a worthwhile experiment in that I know a lot more about effectively using my lower irons than I did a year ago.
 
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Thanksgiving dinner concluded around 2:00 and it was a nice day. Club was open for walking only, so why not get in a quick 9. The place was deserted.
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I hit a few putts and off I went. I espected a few other diehards to show up, but it didn’t happen.
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I got in 9 and then played the 18th as the 9th doesn’t come back to the club house. In this pic you can see my favorite tree about 165 off the white tee that blocks the left side of the fairway. I hate that tree, but it makes the hole. I just wish they’d trim it a little.
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They have already set the holes for the temporary greens. With the weather turning tomorrow, I suspect that will be the end of playing the course until March in the spring.

Oh yeah, shot a smooth 38. I am not displeased with that.
 
I am using a Voice Caddie SC 300 launch monitor for the ball speed and carry numbers, which appear to be fairly accurate. It also calculates launch angle and apex, which I was trying to use to find which of the longer clubs may have the more favorable trajectory for holding greens. However when playing out on the course the 4I, 5W, and 3W produce many low rocketing hits unless the lie is perfect. I will try practicing on Trackman while looking at AoA and what the clubface is actually doing at impact.
When you are on Trackman make it a priority to hit off grass and not mats if at all possible. Mats hide or minimize a lot of miss-hits that will reveal themselves off grass.
 
Played another 36 on the sim this morning. Plan on playing more this evening. Simulator scores are getting closer to my real scores. Last year they were unrealistically low.
Yeah, Id say whatever I score on the sim I can add 8-10 strokes on the course. The sim game is fun and easy on the body. Not as good as the real thing but closer than anything else. Before the local range installed the Top Tracer sims I used to simulate holes in my mind at the range. Now I can still do things like course management when I'm not playing at the course. I also try the approach challenge to work on that part of my game.
 
When you are on Trackman make it a priority to hit off grass and not mats if at all possible. Mats hide or minimize a lot of miss-hits that will reveal themselves off grass.
To me, that mats are less forgiving if I'm just looking for good contact. The ball flight might not be so bad but the feel makes it obvious I didn't hit it clean. Makes me try harder to hit with better contact.

The problem with grass around here is the surface is not like the fairways. The local driving range grass is thicker and not cut as close. The range at the course has bermuda which dies out in the winter time and you end up hitting off a harder surface with not much grass. I have to take my small mat when I go there. I suppose hitting off a dry surface with not much grass makes you appreciate the fairways more.
 
When you are on Trackman make it a priority to hit off grass and not mats if at all possible. Mats hide or minimize a lot of miss-hits that will reveal themselves off grass.
I agree - especially with irons. Driver is about the only club where it doesn’t make a difference.
There’s also a different mindset with a mat. It’s one reason why I don’t have a lot of confidence with an inside club fitting.
 
To me, that mats are less forgiving if I'm just looking for good contact. The ball flight might not be so bad but the feel makes it obvious I didn't hit it clean. Makes me try harder to hit with better contact.

The problem with grass around here is the surface is not like the fairways. The local driving range grass is thicker and not cut as close. The range at the course has bermuda which dies out in the winter time and you end up hitting off a harder surface with not much grass. I have to take my small mat when I go there. I suppose hitting off a dry surface with not much grass makes you appreciate the fairways more.
I wish more players paid attention to how their clubhead interacts with range mats. Typically, when I go to a range that is on mats I can walk down the line of bays and hear "skid, click" (the clubhead hitting the mat then the ball) in bay after bay, and not one is trying to make any adjustment.

Most players' misses are fat shots with the irons, or hitting the turf then the ball, rather than ball first contact. A mat will simply deflect (bounce) the clubhead into the ball. You might strike it a little thin or if your AoA isn't too steep simply skid the clubhead into the ball. Either way, the result is a lot better than when playing the course. From fairway tight lies the leading edge will dig down into the turf and the ball will go nowhere. You might even just lay sod over the ball, which will never happen on the typical range mat.

As for the thicker and taller grass at your range, I have a couple of suggestions that might help.

You can tee the ball at a height that simulates fairway conditions. While the tall thick grass won't be as penal if you hit behind the ball on a tight lie, you will still get feedback. The thick grass will slow down the clubhead if you bottom out behind the ball and contact above 3-4 grooves from the bottom of the clubhead will further reduce distance as your smash factor will reduce significantly when struck higher on the clubface.

The height of the grass will naturally be reduced as you do the above. So eventually, you can hit balls without the tee on this now fairway-height trough of grass. Alternatively, you can start by taking a bunch of swings without a ball, using your iron like a grass whip to reduce the height of the grass to fairway height. If you do that, pay special attention to where each swing enters the grass, bottoms out and exits the grass. You can learn a lot about the quality of your swings by making these observations and then making appropriate adjustments.
 
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I wish more players paid attention to how their clubhead interacts with range mats. Typically, when I go to a range that is on mats I can walk down the line of bays and hear "skid, click" (the clubhead hitting the mat then the ball) in bay after bay, and not one is trying to make any adjustment.

Most players' misses are fat shots with the irons, or hitting the turf then the ball, rather than ball first contact. A mat will simply deflect (bounce) the clubhead into the ball. You might strike it a little thin or if your AoA isn't too steep simply skid the clubhead into the ball. Either way, the result is a lot better than when playing the course. From fairway tight lies the leading edge will dig down into the turf and the ball will go nowhere. You might even just lay sod over the ball, which will never happen on the typical range mat.

As for the thicker and taller grass at your range, I have a couple of suggestions that might help.

You can tee the ball at a height that simulates fairway conditions. While the tall thick grass won't be as penal if you hit behind the ball on a tight lie, you will still get feedback. The thick grass will slow down the clubhead if you bottom out behind the ball and contact above 3-4 grooves from the bottom of the clubhead will further reduce distance as your smash factor will reduce significantly when struck higher on the clubface.

The height of the grass will naturally be reduced as you do the above. So eventually, you can hit balls without the tee on this now fairway-height trough of grass. Alternatively, you can start by taking a bunch of swings without a ball, using your iron like a grass whip to reduce the height of the grass to fairway height. If you do that, pay special attention to where each swing enters the grass, bottoms out and exits the grass. You can learn a lot about the quality of your swings by making these observations and then making appropriate adjustments.
I agree, hitting off mats can mask poor contact issues and give unrealistically good results when using a launch monitor. I use a very low rubber tee when hitting off of mats and a low wooden tee when hitting off the ground unless the range grass is very good (it usually isn't).

To check for ball first contact when hitting off of mats I place a piece of string 2-3" behind the ball. If the string moves then the bottom of my swing arc is too far back. I learned this drill from a Michael Breed video and found it to be surprisingly difficult, probably because the bottom of my swing tends to be a flip with very little lag.

I am also a frequent user of strike tape to check for center contact (or not) especially with the driver. The attached photo shows the results of 15 hits with a 12 degree Cleveland Launcher XL driver with a Project X Cypher 5.0 Senior shaft. The average numbers for these hits were close to optimal for my 85 mph clubhead speed. Average Smash Factor was 1.47 but could be higher with more centered contact.
 

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I wish more players paid attention to how their clubhead interacts with range mats. Typically, when I go to a range that is on mats I can walk down the line of bays and hear "skid, click" (the clubhead hitting the mat then the ball) in bay after bay, and not one is trying to make any adjustment.

Most players' misses are fat shots with the irons, or hitting the turf then the ball, rather than ball first contact. A mat will simply deflect (bounce) the clubhead into the ball. You might strike it a little thin or if your AoA isn't too steep simply skid the clubhead into the ball. Either way, the result is a lot better than when playing the course. From fairway tight lies the leading edge will dig down into the turf and the ball will go nowhere. You might even just lay sod over the ball, which will never happen on the typical range mat.
I don't like the feel of that skid hit shot on the mats. I don't pay attention to the ball flight when that happens. I've been told mats are not good to practice on but I feel like it makes me focus on better contact. The only time I pay attention to the ball flight is when I'm playing virtual golf. Which is why I say whatever I score there you can add ten strokes compared to the course.
 
I don’t carry a driver. Used to have a mini driver but sold it. So I have a 4w and a 21’ hybrid then go to my irons.
But of course the courses I play are 5000 or under. Rely on my short game. If I bogey oh well. I’m playing golf.

Here’s a course I like. It has a very tough first few holes. For me it’s the carry off the tee.
 

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I don’t carry a driver. Used to have a mini driver but sold it. So I have a 4w and a 21’ hybrid then go to my irons.
But of course the courses I play are 5000 or under. Rely on my short game. If I bogey oh well. I’m playing golf.

Here’s a course I like. It has a very tough first few holes. For me it’s the carry off the tee.
That course looks manageable but not particularly easy for the player who averages under 200 off the tee. The two Par 5's aren't anywhere close to being reachable in 2. Three of the Par 3's are over 150 yards and none of them are exceptionally short. The 14th hole is listed at 401 yards - is that an error?
 
That course looks manageable but not particularly easy for the player who averages under 200 off the tee. The two Par 5's aren't anywhere close to being reachable in 2. Three of the Par 3's are over 150 yards and none of them are exceptionally short. The 14th hole is listed at 401 yards - is that an error?

That’s from the back. Front is 390 I believe.
I didn’t say it was short or easy, and it’s got some hills here and there. But it relatively inexpensive.
Much prefer Birch Hills. Flat and shorter.
 

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If you only carry a 4 wood, what's your distance off the tee. I can maybe get 180 with 4 wood, my 3 hybrid is about 170. But like you said boogie is good, just wondering about your tee distance.
 
If you only carry a 4 wood, what's your distance off the tee. I can maybe get 180 with 4 wood, my 3 hybrid is about 170. But like you said boogie is good, just wondering about your tee distance.
Yeah, 180ish is about right. So no courses with 200 water carry!
 
About two years ago I did a little experiment at the course below. I played with a full bag, 14 clubs, including my Cobra driver, and played off the white tees. Shot 88.
The next month I played it again without any driver or fairway woods, lowest was my 21’ hybrid. Shot 88.
Have fun!
 

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Had a 5 hour round session on the Sim Friday, all was well. Went in for two hours yesterday for a quick rouns woth a buddy. Back felt OK, wrist felt OK. But I was hitting the ball fat as heck. No, I was slamming my irons into the ground behind the ball..........it was UGLY. Got that kind of squared away. Meanwhile I was absolutely murdering the driver, the swings felt great, the sound and feel it was center hit, should have been in the low-mid 270's........ but was hitting it so low my average with carry and roll was 237. It just occurred to me when I woke up what was going on.
I bet the ball has crept well back in my stance. Irons coming in too steep, slamming onto the ground.. Driver de-lofted, hitting 35'' high missiles that had no chance to carry.

I'll be going back alone for a bit this afternoon if the snow holds off. Got called into salt a couple bridge decks yesterday. 1.5 hour round trip, 4 hour minimum, at time and a half.....6 hours pay. I'll do that any time the phone rings. LOL Today is Sunday, double time. Let it snow...........
 
Man, this aging thing ain't easy. Played a sim game yesterday with the grandson. Wasn't even halfway through when things got tough. Every swing felt like it was taking a lot more effort. Aching back was making it hard to swing. It feels like someone put a 50 pound backpack on me.

I'm wondering it this is more than just the normal aches and pains from aging. I'm wearing a compression shirt underneath every day now just to walk the dog. I have an appointment with the doc in a few weeks. I think I'll ask him to refer me to a specialist. Same guy who did my wife's back surgeries. The injections from the other pain specialist last year did nothing for me.
 
Man, this aging thing ain't easy. Played a sim game yesterday with the grandson. Wasn't even halfway through when things got tough. Every swing felt like it was taking a lot more effort. Aching back was making it hard to swing. It feels like someone put a 50 pound backpack on me.

I'm wondering it this is more than just the normal aches and pains from aging. I'm wearing a compression shirt underneath every day now just to walk the dog. I have an appointment with the doc in a few weeks. I think I'll ask him to refer me to a specialist. Same guy who did my wife's back surgeries. The injections from the other pain specialist last year did nothing for me.
I hope you get some relief, Charley.
 
Man, this aging thing ain't easy. Played a sim game yesterday with the grandson. Wasn't even halfway through when things got tough. Every swing felt like it was taking a lot more effort. Aching back was making it hard to swing. It feels like someone put a 50 pound backpack on me.

I'm wondering it this is more than just the normal aches and pains from aging. I'm wearing a compression shirt underneath every day now just to walk the dog. I have an appointment with the doc in a few weeks. I think I'll ask him to refer me to a specialist. Same guy who did my wife's back surgeries. The injections from the other pain specialist last year did nothing for me.

As a wise THP member ( BH 43) once noted a long time ago, getting old ain't for sissy's. I turned 71 yesterday and I swear when I got up , I felt a new twinge in my hip, Like WTF is this. One thing I have found the older I get, is the more I need to stretch before ANY activity. :ROFLMAO:
 
Find that recently, about the last month, after I sit a while that I’m stiff for a while when I get up. Do stretch some every morning and get at least one walk in per day, two if not playing. Used to get longer walks but now more shorter walks due to a couple of issues. For the people whose season is over our AC just cycled on at 3:30 in the morning. 75* golf today. Yes getting old ain’t for sissies but it’s not all bad.
 
Man, this aging thing ain't easy. Played a sim game yesterday with the grandson. Wasn't even halfway through when things got tough. Every swing felt like it was taking a lot more effort. Aching back was making it hard to swing. It feels like someone put a 50 pound backpack on me.

I'm wondering it this is more than just the normal aches and pains from aging. I'm wearing a compression shirt underneath every day now just to walk the dog. I have an appointment with the doc in a few weeks. I think I'll ask him to refer me to a specialist. Same guy who did my wife's back surgeries. The injections from the other pain specialist last year did nothing for me.
I don't use a SIM but guess it has the same 'issue' for us oldies in that we don't have the walk between shots.... I find that one swing and then a walk then one swing etc is much easier on the body than many swings without moving much. YMMV.

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I don't use a SIM but guess it has the same 'issue' for us oldies in that we don't have the walk between shots.... I find that one swing and then a walk then one swing etc is much easier on the body than many swings without moving much. YMMV.
I prefer walking to riding myself. I’ve put 590 miles on my MGI Navigator this year. Hope I can get to 600.
 
I can't use a mat to hit from, elbows and wrist ache afterwards. Hoping for some warmer weather, to work on short game at driving range. Long range forecast doesn't look good.
 
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