We all need some degree of offset, or balls become very difficult to launch. For me the issue arises when there is too much offset. I have a steep swing and a lot of shaft lean, so too much offset tends to make me hook because the face gets closed with shaft lean, or I hit balls fat because my shaft lean and excessive offset dont work well together.
You are pointing out something I have been wondering about - is it possible that shafts that are very light and/or too "flexy" are causing excessive dispersion? Or maybe excessively high launch angles?
I think your comment about the weight of senior flex shafts is spot on. For irons UST does offer options for Recoil Dart F2s shafts which are available in 61 and 70 gram weights. Also, Ping Alta CB SR flex shafts are 65 grams.
This is why I chuckle when someone makes a big deal of the weight difference between a 5-hole bag and a 14-way hybrid bag. Typically, the difference in the bag weight is 1 to 1.5 lbs. As you showed, most folks have 5-10 lbs. of stuff they don't need in their bag.
Jon, if it were me, I would just stop trying to make something out of it, and changing your swing just to get "more" spin.. Go back at it tomorrow, forget about the monitor, and just hit balls like you would on the course. I know spin is important, but if you are driving yourself crazy trying to attain a goal, and your swing is a mess, I would just go back to what I know works.. I would probably just play a ball that spins more. Just an opinion...I have got to learn to stay in my lane and just enjoy the game instead of thinking about numbers, much less working on them and depending on them for better golf. That type of golf is for better players.
Inevitably, I start reading what others do and somehow jump straight to the conclusion that if that's how they got better, that's what I should do as well. Just dumb. If I hit the ball straight, I score as well as possible. Period. When I execute it, my swing is fine. All that's need for the distance to be right is decent contact. Not flushed, not perfect, just decent. And when I'm lucky enough to square the face, I hold greens. It makes absolutely no difference what my numbers are for that to happen.
But this is golf and it's not hard to shift focus towards the wrong thing, especially with a little ADHD thrown in the mix.
I've been a bit obsessed with getting more accurate and consistent data out of my launch monitor. It's a cheap P.O.S. and I'm thinking the reason I'm not getting "correct" spin numbers is that it's not reading my shots correctly - because lord knows it can't possibly be me. I start messing with dots and metallic duct tape to get better readings. As if that's not bad enough, it gets worse when I realize, maybe it is me, and worse yet when I entertain the idea that maybe something can be done about it. That's when it all went to hell.
Next thing I know, I'm trying to change AOA to get better backspin numbers and higher launch angles, all the while hitting off a mat indoors with a swing I can't possibly take to the course anyway. Before long, I start shanking the bejeezus out of everything - which is actually something I can take to the course. As golf balls are bouncing off the walls and I'm getting increasingly irate while dodging ricochets, it dawns on my how ridiculous all this is. I put the club down, shut off the simulator and come inside for the night.
I'm not sure how long it'll take to get rid of the shanks. Hopefully it'll happen sooner than it'll take to forget this lesson of what can happen when I try fixing something that isn't really a problem.
100%.
I get your reasoning, but no. I don’t think it would. I was talking about the lack of mid weight Senior flex options in graphite. What you’d be comparing are the differences between mid weight steel and lightweight graphite, no?
The TT90s are Regular flex. And I agree, I doubt anything definitive would show up in launch monitor numbers. I will probably try it anyway just out of curiosity.
The other day I hit a 2 iron in the sim. Not sure what the loft was, but I’m guessing it was 17 or 18 degrees. Back in the day I had a 1 iron which was set at 19*. I used to hit it 230-240 off a tee. Now I have a 3H at is 19* loft that I hit 170, LOL. Anyway, I hit that 2 iron something like 130 in the air and it rolled out to just over 150. Never got above 25’ high. Kind of makes your point. Any club I can’t get 60’ or higher on a good strike is not a club I should carry in my bag.
You’re a tough, brave, soul in those temps!
Interesting that you pick 60 ft apex height as a cut-off. Many seniors just don't have enough clubhead speed to hit the ball that high with longer irons and FW clubs. There are clubs designed to produce higher ball fights with low swing speeds, but how much difference do they really make?
I'm sorry to hear that. :-(
It’s absolutely not a cop out to blame the gear in this case. Like you, I played mizunos for decades. TZoid trues to forged cavities (MP60) and blades (MP32&33). Once I went to (I’m getting older) GI irons, the fade was pretty much lost. Offset is not your friend. I can fade on demand driver down thru hybrids. But play hell moving my irons to the right. What I’d love is 925HL with the offset of the 245s.
I’m not disagreeing with you or @1860VS here, but I think most of us need to remember “senior golfers” is a term with a very wide parameter. 50 year olds consider themselves, and play in Senior tournaments yet my game is nothing like it was 20 years ago when I was 50.
Have snow on the ground from Thanksgiving day storm and high temps at or around freezing this week here. A December round is unlikely here. Season is likely over. Time to work on putting indoors.
With my slow swing speed and steep approach to ball, my shots don't get 20 feet in the air. My driver I can get 70 feet or so.
