Trying to buy innocence is nothing new.
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Trying to buy innocence is nothing new.
The thing is, I agree with how you feel. But the horse has been beaten to death. We don't need a reminder of it every single page in this thread. Everyone is very aware of the situation.
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The other tour is real shady govtlol you missed or I phrased that in the wrong spot, I was talking about the PGA on the government t*t. But yeah, the other tour is the government t*t.
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Does he earn OWGR points for that?
I've always felt he needs to pick one or the other (or risk even more injury) but that is damn impressive.
That is very impressive for a pro golfer.
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As long as he doesn't flip his car I think he will be fine.
He's just living his best life.
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I'm glad it wasn't reported the way the press covers the PGAT....
"Rory Mcilroy finishes second in PLDA World Championship...
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Exclusive: LIV golfers find way to earn world ranking points – from this week
A 'strategic alliance' with the obscure MENA Tour means that rebel players have a pathway back into the majors
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Full read for those interested:
In a sensational move, LIV Golf is expecting its event in Bangkok this week to deliver world rankings points for the first time and so allow its players a pathway to qualify for the majors.
Greg Norman’s enterprise believes that a “strategic alliance” it has formed with the little-known MENA Tour will give the Saudi-funded circuit access to the ranking points which it has craved since its inaugural event in Herftfordhshire in June and make LIV yet more attractive to the superstars it covets.
This void has been seen as LIV’s biggest weakness, because with its members banned from the PGA Tour they are inevitably sliding down the rankings, meaning that they will not qualify for the majors, unless they have other exemptions.
LIV has sought confirmation from the Official World Rankings Board (OGWR) that rankings will be available for the Thailand event that begins on Friday, because it is now part of the MENA Tour, the development circuit based in Dubai which stages tournaments throughout the Middle East and North Africa.
The MENA Tour has submitted to the Official World Rankings Board the LIV Thailand field as entrants in one of its own events and is waiting as normal to lean how many points the winner will earn based on strength-of-field calculations. It will be fascinating to see how the OGWR responds.
MENA Tour brought out of obscurity
The MENA Tour, which has been a member of the OGWR since 2016, has been mothballed since the start of the pandemic but is planning to return with an almighty bang by claiming the 48-man 54-holer at Stonehill as its opening event of the 2022-23 season.
The wraparound campaign will take in next year’s LIV schedule, which sees the rebel circuit becoming a league, with 13 individual events. Each of these will continue to have a $20million purse - with an added $5million in team prizes - and feature the likes of Open champion, Cam Smith, Dustin Johnson, Bryson DeChambeau, Phil Mickelson, Sergio Garcia and Lee Westwood.
Those big names will also be able to compete on the rest of the MENA Tour, which will consist of approximately another 15 events. However, these will have the same prize funds as previously, amounting to $75,000, not even 0.5 percent of the LIV purses.
In an announcement expected later on Wednesday, LIV will say that this is another example of it affording players opportunities and another pathway, pointing to the International Series it is funding on the Asian Tour. Yet plainly, this is all about the world rankings and the dispute that has been brewing since LIV’s formation when it submitted its application to the OGWR.
Norman has demanded that Jay Monahan, the PGA Tour commissioner, and Keith Pelley, the DP World Tour chief executive, who are on the panel of the world rankings board, recuse themselves from the vote over whether to recognise LIV and a fortnight ago all the LIV golfers wrote an open letter to Peter Dawson, the rankings board’s chairman, urging for a “positive” and “quick” resolution.
However, the process takes at least a year and noises from OGWR insist that LIV does not meet any of the criteria. Yet as part of the MENA Tour, a LIV source told Telegraph Sport that “we are adamant that it ticks most if not all of the OGWR boxes. We do not know how they can exclude us now the LIV Golf Series and next year’s LIV Golf League is on the MENA Tour”.
'I have no problem with them getting points'
The “strategic alliance” – clearly an audacious copy of the wording used when the PGA and DP World Tours came to an agreement 20 months ago, largely to stave off the upstart Tour – will create ripples across the game. Last week, Rory McIlroy, the world No 2, who has been one of LIV’s most vocal opponents, discussed the incongruity of some of golf’s best players tumbling down the order.
“I certainly would want the best players in the world ranked accordingly,” McIlroy said. "I think if Dustin Johnson is somewhere around 100th in the world then it's not an accurate reflection of where he is in the game.
“But at the same time, you can't make up your own rules. If they want to pivot to meet the criteria, they can… I certainly have no problem with them getting world ranking points, at all. But if you don't meet the criteria, it's going to be hard to justify why you should have them.”
In a sensational move, LIV Golf is expecting its event in Bangkok this week to deliver world rankings points for the first time and so allow its players a pathway to qualify for the majors.
Greg Norman’s enterprise believes that a “strategic alliance” it has formed with the little-known MENA Tour will give the Saudi-funded circuit access to the ranking points which it has craved since its inaugural event in Herftfordhshire in June and make LIV yet more attractive to the superstars it covets.
This void has been seen as LIV’s biggest weakness, because with its members banned from the PGA Tour they are inevitably sliding down the rankings, meaning that they will not qualify for the majors, unless they have other exemptions.
LIV has sought confirmation from the Official World Rankings Board (OGWR) that rankings will be available for the Thailand event that begins on Friday, because it is now part of the MENA Tour, the development circuit based in Dubai which stages tournaments throughout the Middle East and North Africa.
The MENA Tour has submitted to the Official World Rankings Board the LIV Thailand field as entrants in one of its own events and is waiting as normal to lean how many points the winner will earn based on strength-of-field calculations. It will be fascinating to see how the OGWR responds.
MENA Tour brought out of obscurity
The MENA Tour, which has been a member of the OGWR since 2016, has been mothballed since the start of the pandemic but is planning to return with an almighty bang by claiming the 48-man 54-holer at Stonehill as its opening event of the 2022-23 season.
The wraparound campaign will take in next year’s LIV schedule, which sees the rebel circuit becoming a league, with 13 individual events. Each of these will continue to have a $20million purse - with an added $5million in team prizes - and feature the likes of Open champion, Cam Smith, Dustin Johnson, Bryson DeChambeau, Phil Mickelson, Sergio Garcia and Lee Westwood.
Those big names will also be able to compete on the rest of the MENA Tour, which will consist of approximately another 15 events. However, these will have the same prize funds as previously, amounting to $75,000, not even 0.5 percent of the LIV purses.
In an announcement expected later on Wednesday, LIV will say that this is another example of it affording players opportunities and another pathway, pointing to the International Series it is funding on the Asian Tour. Yet plainly, this is all about the world rankings and the dispute that has been brewing since LIV’s formation when it submitted its application to the OGWR.
Norman has demanded that Jay Monahan, the PGA Tour commissioner, and Keith Pelley, the DP World Tour chief executive, who are on the panel of the world rankings board, recuse themselves from the vote over whether to recognise LIV and a fortnight ago all the LIV golfers wrote an open letter to Peter Dawson, the rankings board’s chairman, urging for a “positive” and “quick” resolution.
However, the process takes at least a year and noises from OGWR insist that LIV does not meet any of the criteria. Yet as part of the MENA Tour, a LIV source told Telegraph Sport that “we are adamant that it ticks most if not all of the OGWR boxes. We do not know how they can exclude us now the LIV Golf Series and next year’s LIV Golf League is on the MENA Tour”.
'I have no problem with them getting points'
The “strategic alliance” – clearly an audacious copy of the wording used when the PGA and DP World Tours came to an agreement 20 months ago, largely to stave off the upstart Tour – will create ripples across the game. Last week, Rory McIlroy, the world No 2, who has been one of LIV’s most vocal opponents, discussed the incongruity of some of golf’s best players tumbling down the order.
“I certainly would want the best players in the world ranked accordingly,” McIlroy said. "I think if Dustin Johnson is somewhere around 100th in the world then it's not an accurate reflection of where he is in the game.
“But at the same time, you can't make up your own rules. If they want to pivot to meet the criteria, they can… I certainly have no problem with them getting world ranking points, at all. But if you don't meet the criteria, it's going to be hard to justify why you should have them.”
It's crafty. Seems the only ways they could say it doesn't fly would be based on the 54 or invite things maybe, which they already give points for at some others. Interesting.
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I thought it was stated that to even receive world ranking points, they had to be around for a year. Does Greg forget that? I know he has trouble holding onto anything under 6, but does he realize he’s still got a few months to go?
It's a MENA event now though, and they've been members of the OGWR since '16. It's not about LIV's tour receiving points.
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So LIV events will now be considered MENA Tour? a defunct tour?
I don't see how that will pass, the LIV events don't meet the criteria for points, but nice try.
They're going to look really stupid when this gets a big, fat no from OWGR.
I don't see how that will pass, the LIV events don't meet the criteria for points, but nice try.
They're going to look really stupid when this gets a big, fat no from OWGR.
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It will now go to the OGWR committee/board for one-off exception approval like the other tours need to do when they host an event that does not meet criteria
SPECIAL TOURNAMENTS*
Special Tournaments are defined as a tournament that is sanctioned by an Eligible Golf Tour but does not count towards the Eligible Golf Tour's end-of-season ranking list.
*Limited Field and Special Tournaments must be individually reviewed by the Technical Committee and approved for inclusion by the Governing Board.
But they will have to fit the criteria the MENA tour used to get into the OGWR right? I am guessing these points will also be weighted lower than things like PGA or do they all count the same?
That's what I was saying, they'll have to strike them on it based on the 54 hole thing, or that it's only invitational I think, and they've awarded points for that in the past. So they either have to go against some precedent or make up new rules, which would be used against them with a vengeance in court, or come up with some other equally crafty rules thing here to say no, right? I could be wrong, but it feels like a good chess move that kind of has them pinned.
Based on the players that are there, not the event. I think. Again, they just changed some of this. Or are changing? Did those go in effect yet?