Sunday_Hacker
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its the end of the marriage but sadly just the begining for the kids...
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JPsuff
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Maybe so, but with a nine-figure settlement a virtual guarantee it's not as if the kids and Elin are gonna be living under a bridge and begging for table scraps.
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These things are always double edged swords. On the one hand the kids are young enough not to understand what is really going on but will still feel the lost time (with dad I suppose). Then the other side to the kids being so young now will be having to explain this to them when they get old enough and ask the inevitable questions.
Even the money thing can be a double edged sword when kids don’t have balance in their lives.
Even the money thing can be a double edged sword when kids don’t have balance in their lives.
Sunday_Hacker
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who mentioned anything about money? or living under a bridge and begging for food? I am talking about the emotional aspect of things. your talking about two very young children that are gonna grow up hearing and knowing about what a scumbag their father was because the whole world knows about it. its not like they can get away from it even in Sweden
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If someone mentioned last September that Tiger would have more divorces than wins in 2010, you would have thought they were crazy.
JPsuff
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The double-edged sword idea also includes the fact that there are two sides to every story and to date, no one knows what Elin's story is or what the marriage was like overall.
Personally, I was more than a little surprised to see Tiger get married when he did and I always thought that it was more in keeping with some "image" or as the next thing to do on some career list rather than because he genuinely wanted to settle down and raise a family.
I could be wrong but maybe I'm not. Maybe there was trouble from the beginning and maybe the kids were an attempt to glue things together (as is often the case in bad marriages).
As far as the effects on the kids goes, I'm sure there will be issues to deal with as they get older. But when you consider that the USA leads the world in divorces, it's not as if Tiger's divorce is something that's never happened to an American family before and as it happens, with the settlement money, his kids and their mom will certainly have an easier go of it (at least financially) than thousands of other broken families usually do.
I know that money can't solve emotional problems, but let's just say that it's one (usually very big) problem they won't have to deal with.
-JP
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+1 on this comment, I always thought the same thing.
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But all of that is nothing more than conspiracy theories and thoughts with no basis of facts. A whole lot of maybes mean very little when there are actually facts.
TW got married with no gun to his head.
Had children in that marriage
CHose to repeatedly cheat on his wife
CHose to repeatedly lie to his family, fans, and media
Got caught in this web of lies
Pay hundreds of millions of dollars to spouse with a clause that nothing can be spoken about HIS life and THEIR life.
The only "Maybe" that seems to have basis right now is that MAYBE there is a WHOLE LOT more of his lies and that this is absolutely HUSH MONEY!
JPsuff
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All true.
But that doesn't mean that it wasn't a bad marriage, or that it wasn't entered into for the wrong reasons and that there isn't another side to the story.
As far as keeping things quiet goes, I think that's their right and I think that they both just want to get past all of this and move on and I think that's the best thing to do.
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But we have nothing to say that is the case, just random guesses from people that usually do not want to believe a person could just a be a bad person when it comes to honesty and morals within a marriage.
Tiger has said himself that his ex-wife did nothing wrong and he was to blame. The reports say the same thing. People cheat and do horrible things every day. He was no different, just more public. He lived a lie, cheated, etc... for a long time and got caught.
We have a lot of facts. People should stick to facts when dealing in situations like this.
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He wouldn't because from what we know, she did nothing wrong. He cheated and got caught. There is no more to it that anybody really knows or needs to know. You bet your right arm that if she did the same thing, he would have moved on.
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I wonder how much money she really got, from what i understand of GA divorce law and my parents are currently going through proceedings so it's a lot more now that previously because he cheated she is eligible for up to 49% of his earnings, i know that their lawyers settled this and i know that she didnt get the rumored 750 mil, but still im curious to see how much she really got plus now that they are sharing custody she has to keep residence in Fl. not move back home to sweden, should be interesting
JPsuff
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Do you really believe he's a bad person?
I see someone who got caught up in the idea of settling down and may have even thought it was a good idea at the time but then later realized he'd made a terrible mistake.
Like many people in similar situations, he decided to play the field and thought that he could somehow manage to juggle all of that and and still keep things looking good for the public but (as happens with most people) it blew up in his face and here we are.
I've seen the same exact thing happen with people I know and when the dust settled it turned out that there was trouble from day one and things just spiraled out of control.
Could he have handled it differently? Absolutely. But hindsight is 20/20 and I'm sure that Tiger realizes that more than anyone and that's one reason why he could never trash her publicly. Even if he could prove beyond the shadow of a doubt the she was some kind of evil person the public would never buy it, so it's better to just shut up, take the weight for everything and move on.
I think it's best to just chalk it up as an unfortunate situation and get on with life. It's obvious that the public will never know what really happened but frankly the public has no right to know and I think keeping it private is the best thing for all concerned - especially for their kids.
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According to what I read in my local paper, they've spent the last few months renegotiating the prenup and Elin settled for 100 million and custody.
That was as of yesterday.
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Yes. I do. I find people that lie, cheat, and steal to be pretty bad people overall. Can he change? Of course he can, I believe in second chances. We clearly see things very differently. I dont buy the "oh, I made a mistake". I believe the "Im Tiger Effin Woods and I am untouchable" more than the former. He lied his way to create an image and sell product.
If he was unhappy, say your unhappy and move on, dont lie to your wife, your kids, your fans that made you millions because a Perkins waitress gave you some extra hashbrowns and you thought she was cute. There is no crime in being single. There is a crime (in many ways) in being the guy that left his kids for strippers and porn stars.
And anybody that is not a huge fan will be the first to know that there is way more to this story and that nobody pays this much money with a confidentiality clause unless there is more to know.
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Man I just read a little over 30 pages(took a while lol) of this thread and some of the things said were ridiculous!
Anyone honestly think now that the divorce is final and maybe next year he can come back to playing golf like he was before? or do you think he is done for the most part except for maybe a win here or there?
Anyone honestly think now that the divorce is final and maybe next year he can come back to playing golf like he was before? or do you think he is done for the most part except for maybe a win here or there?
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I think he will win again, with a (hopefully) clear mind, I think he will.
And with my +1 that I posted above, I just wondered why he got married. There are many sports figures who choose not to go down the marriage path for there own reasons, but I think this Tiger scenario could be in the back of there heads. Many of these guys like being around multiple woman and that's there own choice. Me personally, I love being married and I would never do anything to jeopardize that. I don't agree with what Tiger did, but as a golfer he's one of the best. I hope to see him back in his great Tiger form soon! Just my thoughts on this one.
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I wasnt reffering to anyone that has posted lately, I was talking about the posts in this thread that happened way earlier lol
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I just wanted to explain myself......lolYou all might want to think about the general success rate of marriages of late and the general state of affairs as it relates to fidelity before burning the guy at the stake. The general rate of marital success stinks and fidelity and monogamy tend to go out the window pretty regularly even for folks that have gone over a much more average developmental path. For crying out loud this guy (as is the case with many extraordinary athletes) has been pampered and treated like he was something special almost from birth. He did not create that mystique. His agents, his promoters probably his dad to some extent, and anybody that could make a buck off of him did. Ultimately we did since we all went along for the same ride. I don’t for the life of me understand why we expect people to act responsibly when we never really allow them to grow into that responsibility. Sure he shaves, sure he dropped his you know whats a long time ago but that often does not translate into maturity or responsible behavior.
Murderers are inherently bad people. Violent criminals are inherently bad people. We start drawing the line at pampered false heroes that turn out to be adulterers and we will be throwing a good many babies out with the bath water and I mean babies literally because that is how many of these exceptional athletes are treated. Sure he has had all the advantages that his exceptional talent has provided him. He has had advantages like never having a single day of his adult life that ever approached reality, the kind of reality that translates into experience or maturity. Heck even good common sense is something that has to grow on you. We all wanted to believe that his parents provided him a wonderful upbringing with all of the trimmings including the kind of upbringing that allows a certain level of maturity to develop along normal expectations. We were all kidding ourselves. We want to believe the myth because we all want to believe that we would have loved to be in his shoes. Why, because we think we would have done it better. Based on what? Based on our reality that’s what. That does not apply here.
More and more our “heroes” crumble before our very eyes and why shouldn’t they? There is nothing heroic about swinging a golf club or a baseball bat or a tennis racket. How much more of an oddity are you when your wealth, your stature, your heroism is based on athletic prowess. Compound that by two when you are a minority of some sort. Where do you think these guys rank as heroes when compared lets say to a Nobel Peace Prize winner? Deep down inside that is a pressure by itself. All of them know that their time in the spotlight depends on something very fleeting and very fragile. Golf swing gone, see ya’. Fastballs get past you now, by by. Their entire life is a dichotomy because deep down inside they have to know there is something fundamentally flawed in all of this hero worship over something that they know is so fragile and so fleeting. That is not a kind of pressure that results in maturity for the most part. In the main it results in a constant itch that says I better get it now, while I can, before it is gone. Hey I want the joys of marriage and fatherhood whatever the heck that is….no wait a minute that didn’t scratch the itch I guess I want to wallow in all of this hero worship from the perspective of hedonism, no wait a minute, I want both. Why not? The higher up we elevate these guys the harder we make it for them to be satisfied by something we think of as normal and we brought Tiger as far up the pole as anybody I have ever seen.
Golf for its own part can be particularly punishing because it has been the pastime of the wealthy. How many truly successful minority background golfers has there been, ever? How many times do you think Tiger has to rub up against people that represent Old Money in this country? You want to know how Old Money treats athletes. They are a frivolous bit of entertainment, slightly more important than the gardener, maybe. What in this world would have prepared Tiger for that dichotomy? Nothing In truth it is just another reminder of how fleeting this all is. Arthur Ashe me not on this one even though his game was tennis, another former pastime of the wealthy. Arthur Ashe was a mere footnote in time compared to Tiger especially for his era.
As far as his confidentiality is concerned, offering conjecture that he desires confidentiality because there is so much more to expose is as much conjecture as anything else that has been called less than factual here. Put yourself in that position and tell me you would not demand the same confidentiality regardless of what else might be out there that has not as yet been exposed. In the first place your attorney if he is any kind of attorney at all would throw a fit if you dared sign up for the kind of monetary exchange that will take place here without a confidentiality agreement in place. At some point the lawyers take over and the chance that there would not have been confidentiality agreements were slim and none.
Come on people. You are lashing out at him because he let you down. Ultimately there was little chance that he would not let all of us down. The only element of surprise left here was the instrument of his betrayal. To some extent this was a disappointment, a bit too normal. It would have been much more entertaining if he could have thrown a little cross dressing into the mix.
Murderers are inherently bad people. Violent criminals are inherently bad people. We start drawing the line at pampered false heroes that turn out to be adulterers and we will be throwing a good many babies out with the bath water and I mean babies literally because that is how many of these exceptional athletes are treated. Sure he has had all the advantages that his exceptional talent has provided him. He has had advantages like never having a single day of his adult life that ever approached reality, the kind of reality that translates into experience or maturity. Heck even good common sense is something that has to grow on you. We all wanted to believe that his parents provided him a wonderful upbringing with all of the trimmings including the kind of upbringing that allows a certain level of maturity to develop along normal expectations. We were all kidding ourselves. We want to believe the myth because we all want to believe that we would have loved to be in his shoes. Why, because we think we would have done it better. Based on what? Based on our reality that’s what. That does not apply here.
More and more our “heroes” crumble before our very eyes and why shouldn’t they? There is nothing heroic about swinging a golf club or a baseball bat or a tennis racket. How much more of an oddity are you when your wealth, your stature, your heroism is based on athletic prowess. Compound that by two when you are a minority of some sort. Where do you think these guys rank as heroes when compared lets say to a Nobel Peace Prize winner? Deep down inside that is a pressure by itself. All of them know that their time in the spotlight depends on something very fleeting and very fragile. Golf swing gone, see ya’. Fastballs get past you now, by by. Their entire life is a dichotomy because deep down inside they have to know there is something fundamentally flawed in all of this hero worship over something that they know is so fragile and so fleeting. That is not a kind of pressure that results in maturity for the most part. In the main it results in a constant itch that says I better get it now, while I can, before it is gone. Hey I want the joys of marriage and fatherhood whatever the heck that is….no wait a minute that didn’t scratch the itch I guess I want to wallow in all of this hero worship from the perspective of hedonism, no wait a minute, I want both. Why not? The higher up we elevate these guys the harder we make it for them to be satisfied by something we think of as normal and we brought Tiger as far up the pole as anybody I have ever seen.
Golf for its own part can be particularly punishing because it has been the pastime of the wealthy. How many truly successful minority background golfers has there been, ever? How many times do you think Tiger has to rub up against people that represent Old Money in this country? You want to know how Old Money treats athletes. They are a frivolous bit of entertainment, slightly more important than the gardener, maybe. What in this world would have prepared Tiger for that dichotomy? Nothing In truth it is just another reminder of how fleeting this all is. Arthur Ashe me not on this one even though his game was tennis, another former pastime of the wealthy. Arthur Ashe was a mere footnote in time compared to Tiger especially for his era.
As far as his confidentiality is concerned, offering conjecture that he desires confidentiality because there is so much more to expose is as much conjecture as anything else that has been called less than factual here. Put yourself in that position and tell me you would not demand the same confidentiality regardless of what else might be out there that has not as yet been exposed. In the first place your attorney if he is any kind of attorney at all would throw a fit if you dared sign up for the kind of monetary exchange that will take place here without a confidentiality agreement in place. At some point the lawyers take over and the chance that there would not have been confidentiality agreements were slim and none.
Come on people. You are lashing out at him because he let you down. Ultimately there was little chance that he would not let all of us down. The only element of surprise left here was the instrument of his betrayal. To some extent this was a disappointment, a bit too normal. It would have been much more entertaining if he could have thrown a little cross dressing into the mix.