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Thread: Callaway Rogue Driver: Callaway Rogue, Sub Zero and Draw

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    I really enjoyed this driver. One of two in the past 6+ years that I really liked and trusted.
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    Maiden voyage yesterday after winning the Rogue 10.5 with Evenflow Blue 6.0 in the first grab bag contest.

    Before I start, I am a Ping G400 SFT homer. It was my best year of driving the ball with that in the bag. Paired with The Attas 6s late in the year, and I just love it.

    Took both drivers out on a wet course on Long Island, 50 degrees, little wind.

    Bottom line - very comparable results. I had some real beauties with the Rogue. Most were straight with slight draw. On the one hole where I tried to fade it, I was able to. On 2 holes, I tried to step on the gas a bit and ended up snap hooking them. They weren’t OB snappers, just ended up short and left so were not too penal. I have a similar miss with the G400.

    Sound - I prefer the G400 but the Rogue didn’t put me off.

    I felt like the Rogue launched a little higher and had slightly more carry, but was not demonstrably longer than the G400.

    Next step is to get to a launch monitor to compare numbers. The winner will be determined by dispersion as both offer plenty of distance. Feels good knowing I am well positioned in the driver category, and that I will loan or gift or trade one of these drivers to a THPer or playing partner come spring time. Oh, and The Attas 6S will not be part of any exchange... love that thing.


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    I agree - both the Rogue and Ping G400 are very good drivers.

    In fact while testing I actually like the G400 over the standard Rogue.
    But in the end I went with the Rogue SZ to keep my bag all Callaway.

    Have absolutely smashed some of my drives with the SZ - unbelievable results for me.

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    A few weeks ago, after some more inconsistency striking the ball all over the face, I decided to grip down a fair amount. As to be expected, the strike pattern tightened up. I purchased a shorter shaft and it arrived yesterday. I thought I was knocking off 1" to play it at 44.5", and while that is the new playing length with the short shaft, the stock Aldila was a little bit more than 1 1/4" longer. Thinking back to the low stock headweight, that may be by design to work together with the longer shaft.

    I figure for a lot of the more consistent ball strikers, that extra length leads to greater distance. I'm hoping that by playing a shorter length shaft I keep my average distance close, but start hitting a few more fairways. My most consistent stretches of driving have been with 45" drivers (910D2, Adams XTD).
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    Quick pic of the setup



    Difference in length is extremely apparent. Gotta admit, a few swings in the backyard and now I REALLY want to take it out to the course.


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    Had my best driving day in months today, shortened up the back swing to be more Mclovin (swing) like and missed one fairway all day and pretty darn long for me. Just piping them down the center, point and shoot, maybe that guy is on to something.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheHeez View Post
    Couldn’t ignore the 35% off at CPO. Like new on the way for me!
    This is proving to be one of the best whim purchases I've ever made. Once I ditched the Evenflow and plugged in my Grandaddy Handcrafted (gamer for the last 4 years), the club came alive. I've had some absolute bomb drives and my new shape is straight with a little extra side of straight. Pretty fun reading about the new Flash and having zero interest because I'm loving the Rogue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheHeez View Post
    Couldn’t ignore the 35% off at CPO. Like new on the way for me!
    I may have done the same!

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    The Rogue came aliiiiive Saturday. Recently I was playing this piss fade going 210-225 tops. I was cautious with driver; slow and steady swing, not much of a turn, 3/4 swing, and easy follow thru. The result was more fairways, the issue was having such long 2nd shots. I mentioned recently I had a 405 yard Par 4 and had 192 to the green, that just isn't good enough, even though I was dead center of the fairway.

    Hit the range last week after watching plenty of YouTube on grip pressure, driver swing, setup, etc. So I now hold my grip at about a 3 out of 10, pressure wise. I make more of a turn where my left shoulder is at the ball, even some of my back. At address I put my trail foot a little behind my front foot to help with making a bigger turn.

    The results at the range were positive, like usual haha. Hole 1 I smashed a drive down the middle into the wind leaving me 230 into a Par 5. I was hitting drives very well and happily had my longest drive of the year. 426 yard hole and I had 154 to the center of the green. I did have some tailwind but either way, I was thrilled with my distances during the 27 holes I played.

    Now the Rogue line has a 2-year manufacturer warranty with Callaway. The ferrule of my driver loosens up after a few rounds and I would go to this local shop for them to mash it down with some sort of device, but after a few rounds the ferrule would loosen up again.

    I called Callaway and they double checked my specs to make sure they send me the exact same Aldila Synergy shaft with my MCC +4 Grip, cut 1". I should be expecting that this week and will be sending back the old shaft.

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    Callaway Rogue Driver: Callaway Rogue, Sub Zero and Draw

    Phil Mickelson is averaging 317 yards off the tee this week. He's 48.

    The only player driving it longer than him? A 19-year-old college freshman.

    Phil has a Rogue SZ in his bag...


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    Since putting the shortened shaft in the driver, in 63 holes played I have not hit a single slice. Yesterday I hit driver 15 times (played 27) and only missed right once, and that was wind-assisted on a poor move by me. Have to filter ShotScope and play with the data; my gut is telling me I'm losing around 5 yards on average of good strikes.

    It's taking the two really bad drives a round that royally destroyed holes out of the equation. In about a month's time I'll be moving on to the EF, since I think I can still get better launch conditions with a 9 degree head, but I could also continue to game the Rogue as is no problem. Still very long (for me), just accurate with a one way miss right now.

    And I know it isn't for everyone, but the duller, muted sound is my preference. This feels good off the face for me.
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    Hybrid: G400 Crossover
    Irons: Callaway Steelhead XR 5-PW
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    Quote Originally Posted by obedt View Post
    Since putting the shortened shaft in the driver, in 63 holes played I have not hit a single slice. Yesterday I hit driver 15 times (played 27) and only missed right once, and that was wind-assisted on a poor move by me. Have to filter ShotScope and play with the data; my gut is telling me I'm losing around 5 yards on average of good strikes.

    It's taking the two really bad drives a round that royally destroyed holes out of the equation. In about a month's time I'll be moving on to the EF, since I think I can still get better launch conditions with a 9 degree head, but I could also continue to game the Rogue as is no problem. Still very long (for me), just accurate with a one way miss right now.

    And I know it isn't for everyone, but the duller, muted sound is my preference. This feels good off the face for me.
    From Rick Shiels' review, you may not receive any more distance from the EP. To get more launch from a 9 degree with my 90 mph SS last year, I put ball off left big toe, put my spine angle back a tad, and swung like I was throwing a boulder. Launch was 16 degrees.

    Trying Rogue again -- found like new on CPO for $270, traded in 3 clubs, EvenFlo Blue R Flex in 65g and see what happens at 45 inches. Will get SW adjusted - or will call Callaway in a few to put a weight in it. It took time to grow accustomed to the Epic mute - the Rogue takes a little longer. I remember it as being straight and long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Desmond View Post
    From Rick Shiels' review, you may not receive any more distance from the EP. To get more launch from a 9 degree with my 90 mph SS last year, I put ball off left big toe, put my spine angle back a tad, and swung like I was throwing a boulder. Launch was 16 degrees.

    Trying Rogue again -- found like new on CPO for $270, traded in 3 clubs, EvenFlo Blue R Flex in 65g and see what happens at 45 inches. Will get SW adjusted - or will call Callaway in a few to put a weight in it. It took time to grow accustomed to the Epic mute - the Rogue takes a little longer. I remember it as being straight and long.
    I think the Rogue through CPO is outstanding value. I'd recommend asking for a specific swing weight since the stock head weighs lower than most.

    From the video comparisons I've seen, ball speed gains are more prevalent on the EF SZ models over the Rogue SZ. Non SZ heads, like you mentioned, are pretty similar. I like the extra adjustability though, from the APW. Think that alone constitutes an upgrade. And I do like the AI tech story myself.
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    I went in for a driver fitting on monday to try out as much of the 2019 line as I could.

    I hit the F9, G400 Max, TS2/3, M5 and Epic Flash (& SZ).

    None of them could consistently beat the numbers I was putting up with my Rogue SZ.

    I will say that I was a bit under the weather for the fitting. My smash factor was pathetic, and I was basically living high on the face.

    After a slight swing change (suggested during the fitting) I was able to pick up a bit of ball speed (~4 mph) with the 10.5* Epic Flash SZ. Unfortunately I didn't get to go back and hit the Rogue with the new swing.

    I'm still in driver ponder mode (because who doesn't like shiny new things), but I was honestly quite surprised to see how well this one held up for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by obedt View Post
    I think the Rogue through CPO is outstanding value. I'd recommend asking for a specific swing weight since the stock head weighs lower than most.

    From the video comparisons I've seen, ball speed gains are more prevalent on the EF SZ models over the Rogue SZ. Non SZ heads, like you mentioned, are pretty similar. I like the extra adjustability though, from the APW. Think that alone constitutes an upgrade. And I do like the AI tech story myself.

    Yes, I like the AI story. At the same time, I am going for as much MOI as possible, so the weight in the extreme back is what I want - I've worked on getting rid of a toe hit for 2 years, and developing a cut so that I get a slight draw (hope that makes sense - you exaggerate the correction to get center contact).

    I think the Rogue has plenty of forgiveness. You might get a slight improvement and better feel and louder sound. I like CPO pricing, especially if I add a TPT shaft. Trade in a few items and will pay $30.

    Called CPO for another weight to get it to D4.
    Last edited by Desmond; 01-23-2019 at 11:26 AM.
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    Hybrid: PXG 22 Hybrid CK Pro Red 70
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