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    I spent time watching most of the videos and liked them. The studio is nice and the video quality/editing was well done. I felt like there was a lot of good information across the channel, especially the lie angle video and the max forgiveness video. The forgiveness video has me rethinking my notion of spin off the driver and has led to some experimentation on my part. Iíll be playing my 8.5* M1 430 head at 10.5 for a while and see how things go on the course.

    The one major complaint I have was the stock vs aftermarket shaft video. He says they arenít the same, but then doesnít go on to explain why or prove it through experimentation on video.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -CRW- View Post
    I spent time watching most of the videos and liked them. The studio is nice and the video quality/editing was well done. I felt like there was a lot of good information across the channel, especially the lie angle video and the max forgiveness video. The forgiveness video has me rethinking my notion of spin off the driver and has led to some experimentation on my part. Iíll be playing my 8.5* M1 430 head at 10.5 for a while and see how things go on the course.

    The one major complaint I have was the stock vs aftermarket shaft video. He says they arenít the same, but then doesnít go on to explain why or prove it through experimentation on video.
    This will always be my complaint against fitters. Especially those that build your clubs as well. They are always going to try and put you into exotic $$$ shafts, even stock might be just fine.


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    So I wish I could get this on the main page where more eyes could see it, but this is where these things go. Apologies in advance for its length

    After watching a youtube video a couple months ago by TXG, Ian made a comment that a great fitter could literally change the way someone delivered the ball based on the equipment they had. As a full blown club ho, who spends stupid money on equipment, I've never heard this. I have been fit by every legit fitter in New England at some point over the last 5 years - you name them, I've been there. Ive traveled out of state, been there, done that. I have very strong feelings about fitting, and don't want to make this a session of anyone else, but it would be fair to say I think the big name fitters are good for letting you try a bunch of stuff, but nothing much more.

    I'm a 13 that can get low 80's and blow up high 90's. And long story short I decided to drop my schedule and fly to Toronto and meet Ian. This was a significant expense both in fitting cost and travel costs but I will tell you it is the single best thing I've ever done from an equipment standpoint and I'd recommend it to anyone who spends more than 1000 bucks a year on equipment.

    To start, I tried to book a full bag fitting in April, he was booked 45 days out. It was scheduled to be an afternoon one day and then the morning of the next. About a week ago I learned I needed to be at an event the night of the afternoon appointment. I let the team know and they agreed to meet me an hour earlier the next day and I flew in first thing in the morning. I fully expected the session to be cut short for that reason but there was nothing I could do and appreciated their flexibility.

    So yesterday morning I went and got fit by Ian. I will NEVER again be fit anywhere else. It was a game changer. Started with irons, and was relatively inconsistent as per usual. He kept switching combos, but the amazing part was that every time I told him that I felt something, he could figure out what I was feeling and address it. Most incredibly to me, you could see the path improve. It was remarkable. I didn't believe it from the videos and it was completely legit. Best part - after he dialed me in he told me to hit my (fit) clubs and immediately spraying started again. Then he gave me the dialed in ones and once again, striping them.

    Then we went to driver, which I generally hit well but not well into screens. I was predictably all over the place, though decent output. He told me he thought he could get 10-15 more yards out of my swing, which I kind of laughed at because I know my distances. He then handed me a combo and said "this will work or it won't" - which it didn't, but immediately switched out the shaft, and the next one I was indeed getting 15 more yards out of. Which was just crazy for me. Mind you, my whole bag is fit clubs made in 2017-18.

    Then putter - he watched me hit three putts with mine and said "You have a pretty unique putter swing - this is probably the only putter I have that you can hit the way you want to"- and immediately the numbers on the screen all got better, you could see the roll was better. The whole thing just made me shake my head.

    We then did fairways, hybrid, and wedges. No upsell on the fairways and hybrid, He showed me that my shafts were ill-fit, the numbers improved immediately, and took my clubs to re-shaft them. Wedge I told him I liked what I had, and at this point he had spent close to 5 hours with me, I felt bad and didn't want to take up more of his time given that he'd rescheduled for me. He didn't miss a beat and told me based off my swing he knew what would work, and again, you could see the difference in the feel, the numbers, the spin, and the contact quality. His instinct on what I could get out of my swing was the most amazing thing to me - I see myself as inconsistent and not particularly long, and he could see the ability to squeeze performance out of minor tweaks. Was very, very impressive.

    Long story short, this was the best fitting I've ever seen, it changed my entire view of what fittings are and should be, and I'd encourage anyone with the capacity to get to Toronto to see Ian. Ignoring that is he an amazing fitter, he is a wonderful person and it's the kind of business I am happy supporting. I cannot imagine there is anyone who wouldn't get improvement in some way from his insights. He's now the only guy I'll let do my stuff and I hope very much that he doesn't get so busy he can't fit me in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thornton Melon View Post
    So I wish I could get this on the main page where more eyes could see it, but this is where these things go. Apologies in advance for its length

    After watching a youtube video a couple months ago by TXG, Ian made a comment that a great fitter could literally change the way someone delivered the ball based on the equipment they had. As a full blown club ho, who spends stupid money on equipment, I've never heard this. I have been fit by every legit fitter in New England at some point over the last 5 years - you name them, I've been there. Ive traveled out of state, been there, done that. I have very strong feelings about fitting, and don't want to make this a session of anyone else, but it would be fair to say I think the big name fitters are good for letting you try a bunch of stuff, but nothing much more.

    I'm a 13 that can get low 80's and blow up high 90's. And long story short I decided to drop my schedule and fly to Toronto and meet Ian. This was a significant expense both in fitting cost and travel costs but I will tell you it is the single best thing I've ever done from an equipment standpoint and I'd recommend it to anyone who spends more than 1000 bucks a year on equipment.

    To start, I tried to book a full bag fitting in April, he was booked 45 days out. It was scheduled to be an afternoon one day and then the morning of the next. About a week ago I learned I needed to be at an event the night of the afternoon appointment. I let the team know and they agreed to meet me an hour earlier the next day and I flew in first thing in the morning. I fully expected the session to be cut short for that reason but there was nothing I could do and appreciated their flexibility.

    So yesterday morning I went and got fit by Ian. I will NEVER again be fit anywhere else. It was a game changer. Started with irons, and was relatively inconsistent as per usual. He kept switching combos, but the amazing part was that every time I told him that I felt something, he could figure out what I was feeling and address it. Most incredibly to me, you could see the path improve. It was remarkable. I didn't believe it from the videos and it was completely legit. Best part - after he dialed me in he told me to hit my (fit) clubs and immediately spraying started again. Then he gave me the dialed in ones and once again, striping them.

    Then we went to driver, which I generally hit well but not well into screens. I was predictably all over the place, though decent output. He told me he thought he could get 10-15 more yards out of my swing, which I kind of laughed at because I know my distances. He then handed me a combo and said "this will work or it won't" - which it didn't, but immediately switched out the shaft, and the next one I was indeed getting 15 more yards out of. Which was just crazy for me. Mind you, my whole bag is fit clubs made in 2017-18.

    Then putter - he watched me hit three putts with mine and said "You have a pretty unique putter swing - this is probably the only putter I have that you can hit the way you want to"- and immediately the numbers on the screen all got better, you could see the roll was better. The whole thing just made me shake my head.

    We then did fairways, hybrid, and wedges. No upsell on the fairways and hybrid, He showed me that my shafts were ill-fit, the numbers improved immediately, and took my clubs to re-shaft them. Wedge I told him I liked what I had, and at this point he had spent close to 5 hours with me, I felt bad and didn't want to take up more of his time given that he'd rescheduled for me. He didn't miss a beat and told me based off my swing he knew what would work, and again, you could see the difference in the feel, the numbers, the spin, and the contact quality. His instinct on what I could get out of my swing was the most amazing thing to me - I see myself as inconsistent and not particularly long, and he could see the ability to squeeze performance out of minor tweaks. Was very, very impressive.

    Long story short, this was the best fitting I've ever seen, it changed my entire view of what fittings are and should be, and I'd encourage anyone with the capacity to get to Toronto to see Ian. Ignoring that is he an amazing fitter, he is a wonderful person and it's the kind of business I am happy supporting. I cannot imagine there is anyone who wouldn't get improvement in some way from his insights. He's now the only guy I'll let do my stuff and I hope very much that he doesn't get so busy he can't fit me in.
    I love reading this but hate it at the same time.... I have looked into flying into Toronto for a weekend with the main point of the trip being a fitting at TXG with Ian. Thanks for sharing and I look forward to reading more about this later on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thornton Melon View Post
    So I wish I could get this on the main page where more eyes could see it, but this is where these things go. Apologies in advance for its length

    After watching a youtube video a couple months ago by TXG, Ian made a comment that a great fitter could literally change the way someone delivered the ball based on the equipment they had. As a full blown club ho, who spends stupid money on equipment, I've never heard this. I have been fit by every legit fitter in New England at some point over the last 5 years - you name them, I've been there. Ive traveled out of state, been there, done that. I have very strong feelings about fitting, and don't want to make this a session of anyone else, but it would be fair to say I think the big name fitters are good for letting you try a bunch of stuff, but nothing much more.

    I'm a 13 that can get low 80's and blow up high 90's. And long story short I decided to drop my schedule and fly to Toronto and meet Ian. This was a significant expense both in fitting cost and travel costs but I will tell you it is the single best thing I've ever done from an equipment standpoint and I'd recommend it to anyone who spends more than 1000 bucks a year on equipment.
    Did I miss something some where, what did you have and what do you have now in your bag?
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    Thanks for sharing that TM. I would absolutely love to get a full bag fitting by Ian. Also curious to see what clubs were in your bag and what is in there now.
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    Man, I eat these videos up now. Every single one he sidetracks into other topics and says something that blows me away. Incredible knowledge.

    Thanks for the fitting recap Thornton. I know I won't be able to get fit by him any time soon, but am hopeful more THPers will be able to.
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    My next fitting, I'm making the 13-hour drive to Toronto. I'm not sure how I could ever trust old guy at Golf Galaxy after watching this.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Thornton Melon View Post
    So I wish I could get this on the main page where more eyes could see it, but this is where these things go. Apologies in advance for its length

    After watching a youtube video a couple months ago by TXG, Ian made a comment that a great fitter could literally change the way someone delivered the ball based on the equipment they had. As a full blown club ho, who spends stupid money on equipment, I've never heard this. I have been fit by every legit fitter in New England at some point over the last 5 years - you name them, I've been there. Ive traveled out of state, been there, done that. I have very strong feelings about fitting, and don't want to make this a session of anyone else, but it would be fair to say I think the big name fitters are good for letting you try a bunch of stuff, but nothing much more.

    I'm a 13 that can get low 80's and blow up high 90's. And long story short I decided to drop my schedule and fly to Toronto and meet Ian. This was a significant expense both in fitting cost and travel costs but I will tell you it is the single best thing I've ever done from an equipment standpoint and I'd recommend it to anyone who spends more than 1000 bucks a year on equipment.

    To start, I tried to book a full bag fitting in April, he was booked 45 days out. It was scheduled to be an afternoon one day and then the morning of the next. About a week ago I learned I needed to be at an event the night of the afternoon appointment. I let the team know and they agreed to meet me an hour earlier the next day and I flew in first thing in the morning. I fully expected the session to be cut short for that reason but there was nothing I could do and appreciated their flexibility.

    So yesterday morning I went and got fit by Ian. I will NEVER again be fit anywhere else. It was a game changer. Started with irons, and was relatively inconsistent as per usual. He kept switching combos, but the amazing part was that every time I told him that I felt something, he could figure out what I was feeling and address it. Most incredibly to me, you could see the path improve. It was remarkable. I didn't believe it from the videos and it was completely legit. Best part - after he dialed me in he told me to hit my (fit) clubs and immediately spraying started again. Then he gave me the dialed in ones and once again, striping them.

    Then we went to driver, which I generally hit well but not well into screens. I was predictably all over the place, though decent output. He told me he thought he could get 10-15 more yards out of my swing, which I kind of laughed at because I know my distances. He then handed me a combo and said "this will work or it won't" - which it didn't, but immediately switched out the shaft, and the next one I was indeed getting 15 more yards out of. Which was just crazy for me. Mind you, my whole bag is fit clubs made in 2017-18.

    Then putter - he watched me hit three putts with mine and said "You have a pretty unique putter swing - this is probably the only putter I have that you can hit the way you want to"- and immediately the numbers on the screen all got better, you could see the roll was better. The whole thing just made me shake my head.

    We then did fairways, hybrid, and wedges. No upsell on the fairways and hybrid, He showed me that my shafts were ill-fit, the numbers improved immediately, and took my clubs to re-shaft them. Wedge I told him I liked what I had, and at this point he had spent close to 5 hours with me, I felt bad and didn't want to take up more of his time given that he'd rescheduled for me. He didn't miss a beat and told me based off my swing he knew what would work, and again, you could see the difference in the feel, the numbers, the spin, and the contact quality. His instinct on what I could get out of my swing was the most amazing thing to me - I see myself as inconsistent and not particularly long, and he could see the ability to squeeze performance out of minor tweaks. Was very, very impressive.

    Long story short, this was the best fitting I've ever seen, it changed my entire view of what fittings are and should be, and I'd encourage anyone with the capacity to get to Toronto to see Ian. Ignoring that is he an amazing fitter, he is a wonderful person and it's the kind of business I am happy supporting. I cannot imagine there is anyone who wouldn't get improvement in some way from his insights. He's now the only guy I'll let do my stuff and I hope very much that he doesn't get so busy he can't fit me in.
    Superb! And Iím extremely jealous! These guys are putting out the best videos on YouTube at the moment, as far as Iím concerned. That is such a worthwhile journey that Iíd love to do. Sounds like you had an awesome experience.


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    Damn, impressed and thinking...
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    I just looked up the pricing.... for the amount of time they spend on it (full bag fitting is 5 hours in 2 sessions)... Man I will have to do this some time soon.
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    I was wary of my post being too long so I didn't get into the specifics of which sticks we went through. If there is interest I'll post later tonight. It was an interesting process for me. It was very clear after this that there are many club heads that will not be as effective for certain swings. I imagine a very consistent player can swing almost anything. But I went from weird toey fat contact with my gamer (i200/lz) to stripes with Nippon v90/z765. And like I said, then went back to my gamer again to make sure I just wasn't in a groove and it repeated. And he figured it out by handing me am m18, watching me hate it, then ap2, then 765. And the ap2 and 765 were identical for me results wise with the same shaft. But two swings in he told me my i200 weren't ideal for my swing path.

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    I think most people here would like a real in depth review as most of us probably are never gonna get the opportunity to go there.


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    Glad to share, then. There is an important thing (to me) worth sharing before I start. I am almost psychotically feel-conscious. I can usually tell from a practice swing how a club will play for me (feelwise). I know this is not everyone. Ian told me he likes working with people who can feel that subtlety, but he's such a nice guy I'm not sure if he was just being nice about how OCD I am about how things feel.

    Irons: I play i200 with PXLZ 5.0. I took probably 5 swings with them (off the plane, first little bit), and Ian says "I think it's possible that might not be the best sole for your swing. Now mind you I love the i200. Love the look. Want to game them. And the guy has barely finished shaking my hand. He gives me a MP-18 with LZ 5.0. I swing it three times and tell him it feels terrible. He takes back the i200 to me, has me swing it 10 more, tells me he doesn't like the spin numbers on it (Too low). It seemed from what he recommended that the Titleist stuff was his go to for low spin players.

    Comes back with AP2 with the Nippon v90 R shaft. I take a practice swing and tell him I really like how it feels. I start striping it. Great numbers. He tells me he wants to try something else. Comes back with z765 with v90 shaft. Stripe that. Like every ball dead nuts. I tell him maybe I'm just warm. Hands me back my i200. Start spraying it again. Hands me back the 765 and its dart after dart. Had me try the Modus 105 and while performance was better than my original not as good as V90. He left it to me to choose between the 765 and the AP2 as the numbers were almost identical. I went 765 with the Nippon v90 R shaft. Added a bunch of spin to my ball flight without really affecting distance in any way.

    So this probably took maybe 30-40 mins but it was just amazing how quickly he dialed in on it. Everything else was minor fine tuning, but then also he wanted to verify by testing other things. It's that little detail that is a differentiator. Usually once they up your numbers they move on. He verified everything to make sure there was no additional amount he could squeeze out of my performance. Very very impressive.

    Will do the putter and driver next hopefully tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thornton Melon View Post
    Glad to share, then. There is an important thing (to me) worth sharing before I start. I am almost psychotically feel-conscious. I can usually tell from a practice swing how a club will play for me (feelwise). I know this is not everyone. Ian told me he likes working with people who can feel that subtlety, but he's such a nice guy I'm not sure if he was just being nice about how OCD I am about how things feel.

    Irons: I play i200 with PXLZ 5.0. I took probably 5 swings with them (off the plane, first little bit), and Ian says "I think it's possible that might not be the best sole for your swing. Now mind you I love the i200. Love the look. Want to game them. And the guy has barely finished shaking my hand. He gives me a MP-18 with LZ 5.0. I swing it three times and tell him it feels terrible. He takes back the i200 to me, has me swing it 10 more, tells me he doesn't like the spin numbers on it (Too low). It seemed from what he recommended that the Titleist stuff was his go to for low spin players.

    Comes back with AP2 with the Nippon v90 R shaft. I take a practice swing and tell him I really like how it feels. I start striping it. Great numbers. He tells me he wants to try something else. Comes back with z765 with v90 shaft. Stripe that. Like every ball dead nuts. I tell him maybe I'm just warm. Hands me back my i200. Start spraying it again. Hands me back the 765 and its dart after dart. Had me try the Modus 105 and while performance was better than my original not as good as V90. He left it to me to choose between the 765 and the AP2 as the numbers were almost identical. I went 765 with the Nippon v90 R shaft. Added a bunch of spin to my ball flight without really affecting distance in any way.

    So this probably took maybe 30-40 mins but it was just amazing how quickly he dialed in on it. Everything else was minor fine tuning, but then also he wanted to verify by testing other things. It's that little detail that is a differentiator. Usually once they up your numbers they move on. He verified everything to make sure there was no additional amount he could squeeze out of my performance. Very very impressive.

    Will do the putter and driver next hopefully tomorrow.
    I recall Ian mentioning that he fits people into Srixon irons more that any other iron. Looking forward to your driver and putter fittings.
    Cheers!
    -- Bill --

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