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    Geometry is your friend here. Lets say the pin is in the back of the green. From your ball start walking in an arc towards the front of the green to until you get full relief from the path. So in your diagram the flag would be on the top of the diagram and your would take your shot from further on the bottom of the diagram, not just a straight out from where the ball is on the path. If the pin was on the front of the green then take the same arc towards the back of the green.
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    Quote Originally Posted by millsan1 View Post
    I am not clear how I could have gone left, but not gone closer to the hole, which is to the left. Please help me understand.
    Sorry, you are right, wasn't thinking about the green on the left. Your nearest point of releif is behind you where you dropped. Since the dirt is only 1 foot wide you can't get full relief there so you have to continue right.
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    With that diagram it makes it clearer. You would drop on the green side, but down across where the dirt starts (on that diagram)


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    Quote Originally Posted by RayG View Post
    I believe that cart paths entitle you to NEAREST complete relief- whether it's closer to the green or not. If the ball is on the green side, you drop on that side where you get complete relief from path. If it's on the other side of the path, you could drop in the strip, but if you don't have COMPLETE relief, you move to the tee side for relief, no penalty. Drops aren't ALWAYS 'furthest from the hole'. Similar to if a ball rolls back off a green into a hazard- you don't have to drop on the other side of the hazard 'furthest from the hole', you get to drop near the green at the point where it crossed into the hazard.
    The "green" is not relevant. What matters is the hole, and in no case is relief permitted closer to the hole than where the ball lay.
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    Yeah, I kinda got mixed up on that one with the greenside hazard thing. The cart path thing is 'no closer to the hole', so the area across from where the 'dirt' starts on the diagram on the greenside would be the area. On the 'hole' side, but not 'closer' to it.

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    Imagine you have a piece of string tethered to the hole and you pull it tight and then walk along that arc until you reach the nearest point where you have full relief (not standing on the cath path AKA "immovable obstruction"). Based on the diagram and ball position, that would be back and to the left of the cart path.

    Rule 24-2 is the one you want to reference:

    b. Relief
    Except when the ball is in a water hazard or a lateral water hazard, a player may take relief from interference by an immovable obstruction as follows:

    (i)

    Through the Green: If the ball lies through the green, the player must lift the ball and drop it, without penalty, within one club-length of and not nearer the hole than the nearest point of relief. The nearest point of relief must not be in a hazard or on a putting green. When the ball is dropped within one club-length of the nearest point of relief, the ball must first strike a part of the course at a spot that avoids interference by the immovable obstruction and is not in a hazard and not on a putting green.

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    Quote Originally Posted by millsan1 View Post
    Here is the idea. Please note my excellent graphic artist skills.

    White spot on left path is where ball came to rest.

    Iím late to the game but I think the rule is you take relief to the nearest point of release no closer to the hole. That looks like the dirt. If that has you standing on a path you have the option of taking relief again. It isnít mandatory. If you take relief you repeat the above (nearest point of relief no closer to the hole).


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    Quote Originally Posted by tequila4kapp View Post
    Iím late to the game but I think the rule is you take relief to the nearest point of release no closer to the hole. That looks like the dirt. If that has you standing on a path you have the option of taking relief again. It isnít mandatory. If you take relief you repeat the above (nearest point of relief no closer to the hole).


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    See I always thought you have to take full relief. And if you are still standing on a cart path that is not full relief. I am not able to look it up but am fairly certain that is the case. If not, then that surprises me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smallville View Post
    See I always thought you have to take full relief. And if you are still standing on a cart path that is not full relief. I am not able to look it up but am fairly certain that is the case. If not, then that surprises me.
    Iím not sure of the rule but thatís my understanding as well, you have to take full relief.
    I think it Jordan a couple of years ago taking relief from casual water and there was an issue with his toes possibly being in the water he took relief from. I think anyway.


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    I think lost in a few of these posts.. you don't have to take relief at all if you choose not to. Plenty of examples of hitting off the path if a drop on either side will be worse off than clipping it off the tarmac or cement. You are "entitled" to relief. that means you can deny to take it. But if you DO take it, it must be complete relief..
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