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    Jordan.

    Grab the popcorn.

    Dustin Johnson may be the most physically talented golfer of all time, but he rarely comes into the GOAT discussion. I don't understand why we give the opposite treatment to LBJ. Plus, he's whiny and a borderline terrible representative of professional sport.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bucketsofjoy View Post
    Jordan.

    Grab the popcorn.

    Dustin Johnson may be the most physically talented golfer of all time, but he rarely comes into the GOAT discussion. I don't understand why we give the opposite treatment to LBJ. Plus, he's whiny and a borderline terrible representative of professional sport.
    LeBron isn't my pick either, and I don't care for his shenanigans. But I think calling him a terrible representative is a bit strong. When you have so many getting arrested, having affairs, battering other players, or overall being a crumby person, I think it makes his transgressions a bit easier to stomach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jfrigo1003 View Post
    without a doubt MJ is the greatest of all time. He did it at both ends and no-one had a killer drive more than he did. Also retiring twice in his prime... Ill say Lebron is the most god gifted talent wise, but lacks the drive and killer attitude to be the best (also I think he's a whiny cry baby and sabotages teams). And I know this wasn't part of the discussion but the rules have a lot to do with it also. If you put MJ in todays game (no defense, not allowed to hand check, breathing on somebody is a shooting foul) then Jordan would average 40 a game

    Chamberlain was the most DOMINANT of all time but that as mainly cuz he was over 7ft playing mainly people barley 6'6". Bill Russell could usually keep Wilt in check when they played each other
    For the record Wilt average just under 30 against Russell in the regular season and just under 26 in the Post Season. Russell around 14 points in both circumstances. Russell teams won far more oftern. Having lived through a lot of that time there were many 6'9 and taller players in the league during Wilts time. He was a better athlete. His track and volleyball records bare that out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    LeBron isn't my pick either, and I don't care for his shenanigans. But I think calling him a terrible representative is a bit strong. When you have so many getting arrested, having affairs, battering other players, or overall being a crumby person, I think it makes his transgressions a bit easier to stomach.
    I said borderline. And yes, there are absolutely worse representatives.
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    For me it's Jordan and I don't feel like there's many close. He could flat out take over a game, on both end's of the court and put his team on his back and lead them to a W. There was no question of who the ball was going to at the end of the game, with it hanging in the balance. None of this pass it to Kyrie/DWade etc...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jlew2144 View Post
    For me it's Jordan and I don't feel like there's many close. He could flat out take over a game, on both end's of the court and put his team on his back and lead them to a W. There was no question of who the ball was going to at the end of the game, with it hanging in the balance. None of this pass it to Kyrie/DWade etc...

    uh...Kerr, Paxson, off top of my head beg to disagree. And to me that is part of the reason Jordan was as successful as he was. Instead of forcing up contested bricks, he would make the correct basketball play. Statistics bear out an open Kerr is more likely to score than a contested Jordan. Nobody in their right mind would put Kerr overall in the same league as Jordan skill-wise...but the correct basketball play was, is and will always be the open shot from a location a player is successful at. Jordan made those plays often and those two guys in particular made important playoff baskets to win games.

    One reason Bryant is as far down the list as he is is because he didn't pass to the open guy. People remember him as clutch. People are wrong. the numbers show he sucked in crunch time. He was very good in other periods of the game which led to a lot of wins, but as a certified hater of all things Laker, I loved it when the Lakers had to have a bucket to win and gave it to him. I knew he would never pass and would usually miss.

    Jordan, James, they both passed/pass to the open guy and made their teams better in those situations.

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    I got to see Wilt in his prime, several times. But he had no competition.
    In modern NBA times, Kobe Bryant, due to his work ethic, and game attitude.
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    Jerry West was better than Magic, smarter too.


    Quote Originally Posted by DataDude View Post
    I will go by position because I think it is tough to compare otherwise and that will lead to arguments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CobraX51 View Post
    His Airness

    Why? He won a 3peat. QUIT the Sport. Then came back to win another 3peat.

    Not even going to get into the amount of individual awards and stats he has.
    Bill Russell played for 13 years DIDN'T QUIT and won 11 including 8 in a row. Not too shabby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darthweasel View Post
    uh...Kerr, Paxson, off top of my head beg to disagree. And to me that is part of the reason Jordan was as successful as he was. Instead of forcing up contested bricks, he would make the correct basketball play. Statistics bear out an open Kerr is more likely to score than a contested Jordan. Nobody in their right mind would put Kerr overall in the same league as Jordan skill-wise...but the correct basketball play was, is and will always be the open shot from a location a player is successful at. Jordan made those plays often and those two guys in particular made important playoff baskets to win games.

    One reason Bryant is as far down the list as he is is because he didn't pass to the open guy. People remember him as clutch. People are wrong. the numbers show he sucked in crunch time. He was very good in other periods of the game which led to a lot of wins, but as a certified hater of all things Laker, I loved it when the Lakers had to have a bucket to win and gave it to him. I knew he would never pass and would usually miss.

    Jordan, James, they both passed/pass to the open guy and made their teams better in those situations.
    You did a much better job of explaining my reasoning than I could-- Jordan would create then dish to the open man. However he did the vast majority of the creating and when folks dropped to contest, he dished to the open man.

    My opinion of Lebron, is a bit different. I was always of the opinion that he didn't want to take the shot, he didn't want the ball in his hands in those clutch moments. Maybe I'm clouded by a few instances in the Cavs championship run where Kyrie created on his own minus Lebron.....Maybe I'm off base on that aspect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DataDude View Post
    I will go by position because I think it is tough to compare otherwise and that will lead to arguments.

    PG Magic
    SG Jordan
    SF Lebron
    PF Bird
    C Abdul Jabaar or Shaq
    Lol.....that sums up my picks also. Maybe throw Kobe as a 6th man.

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    A fun discussion to follow. I agree with many about today’s no-defense NBA. If LeBron played anytime from the 50s to the 80s, he’d have spent far more time on his back. Thank you Laimbeer.
    Having watched everyone that’s been discussed to this point, Jordan is also in my book the GOAT. He had a phenomenal impact both on and off the court. Fifteen seconds left and there’s no one I’d rather put the ball in their hands. He made all the players around him better than they actually were.
    Chamberlain was incredible. His skills, moves, and passing ability were enhanced by his time with the Harlem Globetrotters. 100 points in a game may never be matched.
    Pure scorer has to be Kareem. His over 38,000 points still stands to this day. And he didn’t know what a three pointer was. His sky hook was a thing of beauty and virtually unstoppable.
    Jerry West and Oscar Robertson were my favorite guards to watch by far. Magic was good, but in my opinion not in their class.
    Talking about the greats, I have to throw in Karl Malone. So fun to watch speed and power. I loved the power forwards of the time.





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    As a Celtics fan it kills me to say this... but it's MJ. Bird gets greatest trash talker of all time though! Bird elevated everyone around him in a way that no one else has in my opinion.
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    As a Lakers fan, I've got to say Duncan was a better player than Shaq. He was so fundamentally sound and a joy to watch even though I disliked him and the Spurs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billk86 View Post
    Bill Russell played for 13 years DIDN'T QUIT and won 11 including 8 in a row. Not too shabby.
    Not at all. But I never saw Bill play.

    If people want to say he’s the GOAT, be my guest.


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