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    Why does Leadbetter say that in "most" instances non-custom clubs are hurting games, but then cite examples of 5'4" or 7' golfers? Sure, people at extreme ends of the physical spectrum have unique needs, but I doubt that most people can't get a solid fit from an OEM fitting cart. Try a few heads and shafts, work on your swing, and go play...
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    Having been through a few fittings, and the one at the Grandaddy in particular, I agree with the article. I ended up with some things I’d NEVER have imagined and the numbers don’t lie in that the clubs I received are right for me
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    I think only good things can come from a proper fitting. If we are going to spend $1000's of dollars on equipment, why would you not spend it wisely on gear that is fitted for you. I think the average golfer might get intimidated of a fitting because swing flaws will be shown and they fear embarrassment. This is where the fitter can play a big role in not understanding golf equipment, but being a pseudo swing coach to calm them down. Fit to the miss to maximize forgiveness and understand what well struck shots can/will look like.
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    I went through a fitting from an 'unbiased' company once. Just a local owned shop, carried all the major OEMs and had just a ton of shafts (far beyond the 'stock' offerings). Spent an hour hitting different heads and shafts. Ended up with a My titleist 917 with a stock shaft. Weird how that worked. But don't get me wrong, I've never hit so many fairways as I do now, and I'm not real sure Titleist was on my radar at the time I was shopping drivers. The part I hated was I was indoors on a mat, which I never feel like I have much grip/traction on with my shoes.

    I'm pondering new irons. I'd have to drive forever to find a titleist fitter. So instead, I'm going to go to the only course somewhat nearby and try a few different iron shafts in some TM clubheads, and then just order Titleist irons with whatever shaft I liked.

    Finally, the one line in the article that got me was where it said "A Golf Digest study found that eight out of nine Club Champion custom-fit golfers lowered their scores by as much as six strokes per round and added an average of 21 yards off the tee." What were these people coming from to average an increase of 21 yards off the tee? Also, 8/9 golfers lowered their score 'by as much as 6 strokes.' To me, that reads that 8 out of 9 golfers lowered their scores, and one lowered their scores by 6 strokes. What was the average score reduction for those 8/9 golfers?

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    To me, I see it as a question of what an individuals priorities are. Like JB, I'm in this more for fun, and of course there is also the concept of value. Sure, I want to get better, but when I went to Club Champion and had a driver fitting, the extra 6 yds of distance, and no improvement in dispersion, over my current driver, wasn't worth the $700 they wanted for the custom fit driver. Don't get me wrong, the fitting experience was well worth the time and investment, but the results weren't going to make my game more fun, and there was no bang for the buck in my case. Of course had that $700 driver provided me with 10 - 20 yds more distance, and narrowed my dispersion significantly, I would have thought differently about it, because that would be more fun!

    I will likely continue to go the fitting route when looking at new clubs, just not necessarily going to go with the recommendations if I don't see a big enough fun/value benefit.
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    As an outlier on the standard shotgun approach to one size fits all system I can see the need to be fitted. I have read other articles that state a similar thoughts on fittings. Plus where almost all OEM's are starting to push for fitting there is little or no added cost to it, if you know what you need.
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    Custom fit clubs will help, BUT:

    Ball. Stick. Use stick and hit ball.
    I love to overcomplicate things. Fittings help improve results, and enjoyment of the game for me. However, most of my strokes are not lost on full swings.
    Six to ten yard increase in distance or dispersion isn't going save me as many strokes as I'd like.

    Was mentioned earlier, but fitters and salesmen are different. They are both there to make a living, but the product is different.

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    While there is certainly a benefit of properly fit clubs I'm not so sure that golf industry really ought to be making it the mantra. The battle cry of grow the game eventually runs in to a wall at some point when you now send the message that playing decent is all but impossible unless you fork over 3500 for a properly fit bag (or much more). I know some completely disagree and see ever increasing costs as a non obstacle, but at some cost point, there will absolutely be a decline.

    Newbies should be encouraged to cobble together whatever the can and get out on the course.

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    Back when I actually worried about trying to improve and was hoping to squeeze every last stroke I could out of my handicap index, the only person I'd have trusted for club advice was my teaching pro. Nowadays I'm all about Awstyn's "Ball. Stick.Use stick and hit ball." and I'm all about playing, not practicing and taking lessons.

    But if you're trying your darndest to improve your swing and short game, practicing 'most every day and seeing a teaching pro a couple times a month I just can't see going off to someone you've never met and trusting that in a 30-minute or 90-minute "fitting" session they're going to equip you in a way that aids your improvement process. Seems like most of the fittings I've overheard in big box stores and the like, the fitter spends as much time trying to tweak some hacker's ridiculously dysfunctional setup and takeaway as he does tweaking club specs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by X.Man View Post
    I somewhat agree. But in the article itself it states that most OEM’s have a fitting cart with some options. I think those “limited options” are better than something “off the rack”. Would an option not in the OEM fitting cart be that much better? My guess is that, while it may be better, it would be marginal. Just the fact alone the there “some limited options” in these OEM fitting carts is A big advantage and benefit to the average golfer.


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    I think you are probably right about that for that majority of golfers. But I think most of them still need some help from a decent fitter to find what limited option works for them.

    I'm still a big fan of Club Champion and other boutique fitters.
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    Fittings are definitely beneficial to all golfers. Gains will differ based on swing - I know I see/would see more success with gear built for my game than grabbing something off the rack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Et Tu Brute? View Post
    The salesman in the store is trying to sell you what he has in stock and/or what he gets the most commission from.

    Club Champion is trying to sell Club Champion services and/or whatever upgrade shafts are the most profitable.

    A Titleist demo day is trying to sell you Titleist clubs.

    NONE of these is an impartial scientist running your swing through a series of experiments to determine some essential truth. They're all pitching. They all get paid by selling you something.
    I'm confused by what you are trying to say. If you go to a titleist demo day then why wouldn't you be expected to test/demo/be fit into titleist clubs?

    As for clubs champions, they make money on the fitting service and club building service. They dont make money on the clubs you buy since you are paying retail and then they are sent to them and deconstructed, blue printed then assembled to your exact specs. They only gain if you use their service.

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    I believe in club fitting. I'm getting fit for new irons next week. I had a choice between CC and another very reputable clubfitter in the Cleveland area. I decided to go with the other fitter. I've worked with them before and I trust him. I've had a positive experience with the CC folks as well. I would gladly pay for their fitting services, but the way they price the actual equipment is a big turnoff. Sure, they have practically every single option there is available, but does having the absolute most optimal set up justify the cost? I dont think so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -CRW- View Post
    I think you are probably right about that for that majority of golfers. But I think most of them still need some help from a decent fitter to find what limited option works for them.

    I'm still a big fan of Club Champion and other boutique fitters.
    Sure at big box stores having a basic knowledge of how each of the available options is definitely a help to the average golfer. And there’s no denying that walking into place like Club Champion or any boutique better and having all those options available is like a kid in a candy store. But it comes at a premium Of course.

    And to truly benefit from something like a boutique fitter or Club Champion id think you have to be almost brand agnostic or have a very open mind.


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    Being the height and build I am, I tend to fit pretty well in most stock options available. Ive never been professionally fit though, so I am definitely curious how much it could change for me. Without doing so, my current mindset is that it wouldn’t change much, but I’m very open to being proved wrong...just not in a spot to change up everything I own if that would be the case.
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