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    Quote Originally Posted by pmm21 View Post
    Links to surveys? I'm really curious who is touting the information. I think if you use this thread as a "survey" you'd see different responses.

    And my house to rustic canyon (where I play often is 14 miles. It takes me 12 minutes.

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    Im mobile right now, but Golf Digest had a survey that said 50% of people have walked off the course due to pace. With millions leaving the game over the last decade.
    Golf Datatech or NGF cited 57% say slow play is the biggest deterrent to playing more rounds (im trying to find the screen shot)

    Quick mobile search brought me the Pope of Slope article that mentions it here.
    https://www.popeofslope.com/paceofplay/

    There is an entire symposium based on this with the USGA.
    While a thread of core golfers say it doesn't bother them, the same measuring stick would say players irons outsell game improvement irons and its not even in the same universe. haha
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    I think itís important to remember that those of us here have a passion for the game that doesnít waiver. You take somebody that is new to the game and bring them out in the hot sun and every 10 minutes they get to swing a club and the rest of the time theyíre sitting in the cart waiting for their turn, and the interest wanes quickly.

    That is where growth comes from, or lack of it rather than us that love the game as much as possible are leaving it
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    Quote Originally Posted by JB View Post
    I think it’s important to remember that those of us here have a passion for the game that doesn’t waiver. You take somebody that is new to the game and bring them out in the hot sun and every 10 minutes they get to swing a club and the rest of the time they’re sitting in the cart waiting for their turn, and the interest wanes quickly.

    That is where growth comes from, or lack of it rather than us that love the game as much as possible are leaving it
    There have been multiple topics discussed on here in the past where we get stuck in our golfing bubble. I think this is another one of those topics.
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    ... "You see what you want to see and hear what you want to hear" Of course slow play is a problem. People tend to look at things thru their own lens instead of considering all that play. There are a ton of reasons slow play bothers golfers. I have had 2 back surgeries and I like to keep moving. Behind a "methodical" group I can adjust my pace, but behind a genuine slow group it takes a toll on me physically and my back tightens up, especially waiting in the fairway while the betting 4some stalks their 3rd putt from every angle. My playing pard has young kids and being away from home for 6-7 hours isn't an option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golf Ghost View Post
    There have been multiple topics discussed on here in the past where we get stuck in our golfing bubble. I think this is another one of those topics.
    Also peoples definition of slow is vastly different
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    I'm about as passionate about golf as anyone but I've decided not to play because I knew it would take too long. I've also walked off at the turn because it was taking too long and the group ahead wouldn't let me through. I completely understand that golf is a game that is going to take a significant amount of time, but it's getting to be too much. About the only time I'll play anymore is if I'm one of the first tee times so we can move at a good pace. It's tough for me to be away from my family for so long, especially when I have other things to do around the house.
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    I frequently look out my back window, see the par 3 behind me backed up and decide today is not a good day to play. I would play MUCH more frequently if I knew it would be quick. The sheer punt of time it takes is one part, the other is that sitting around and waiting just isn't enjoyable to me.

    I also have friends who have given up playing because their wife doesn't like they are gone all morning and well into the afternoon.
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    I think it would fair to say I have a passion for playing golf.

    Unfortunately, for me when the ratio of "playing golf" to "standing around" exceeds about 50/50 it no longer feels like golf any more. Mostly that's around the 3-1/2 hour point.

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    I guess i am very lucky, when I play with the reg old guy group we go off 1st thing or at worst 3rd or 4th group and play in 3 hr and change. When i get to go over and golf with antihero or pudge it is private courses and again 3.5 maybe 4 hrs at the worst so I am spoiled.

    I do not like to rush around, but playing ready golf we don't rush. If every round was 4.5 or more it would be frustrating but not be the end of the world but not nearly as enjoyable. I am golfing with DWHockey tomorrow and we go off at 8:07 and most likely it will be a bit slower being a holiday weekend sat. but I hope not more than 4-4.5 hrs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pmm21 View Post
    I have never heard of anyone not play because of this.

    Yes an annoyance, but a hindrance to the growth of the game? I don't see it.

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    I have a course that costs me the same whether I play 6 rounds that day or zero. I paid my money at the start of the year, the money is gone so I would always rather play. I seldom if ever play there on Saturdays.

    See, the "Rat Pack" as they like to call themselves has the first four tee times reserved. They are retired gentleman (and a few wives, but those have their own group) who insist on being first off and literally every Saturday, they have those times blocked off. This is a course I play 9 in anywhere from 45 to 1:08, shortest to longest, when alone. Behind them it is a 2 to 2-1/2 hour round. When I play in a twosome I am okay with 1:15, a threesome maybe 1:30 and I have played it in a foursome and only hated some of the time at 1:45...but it was too slow. We are talking 2400 yards par 34 course, that is really too long to play it crawling.

    At 1:30 with a friend or two, it is a good time. at 2:30 it is...not.

    I routinely don't play what is essentially free golf because of the pace of play.

    I have friends who turn down rounds for same reason.

    My brother and his wife don't play anymore because of the pace...and they are slow players themselves.

    Anecdotal, but there definitely are people who don't play either at times or at all because of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darthweasel View Post
    I have a course that costs me the same whether I play 6 rounds that day or zero. I paid my money at the start of the year, the money is gone so I would always rather play. I seldom if ever play there on Saturdays.

    See, the "Rat Pack" as they like to call themselves has the first four tee times reserved. They are retired gentleman (and a few wives, but those have their own group) who insist on being first off and literally every Saturday, they have those times blocked off. This is a course I play 9 in anywhere from 45 to 1:08, shortest to longest, when alone. Behind them it is a 2 to 2-1/2 hour round. When I play in a twosome I am okay with 1:15, a threesome maybe 1:30 and I have played it in a foursome and only hated some of the time at 1:45...but it was too slow. We are talking 2400 yards par 34 course, that is really too long to play it crawling.

    At 1:30 with a friend or two, it is a good time. at 2:30 it is...not.

    I routinely don't play what is essentially free golf because of the pace of play.

    I have friends who turn down rounds for same reason.

    My brother and his wife don't play anymore because of the pace...and they are slow players themselves.

    Anecdotal, but there definitely are people who don't play either at times or at all because of this.
    Good comment. Is it the only course you play? Do you play elsewhere on Saturdays?

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    It is definitely a problem.

    Does it keep me from going to certain courses, because I know the rounds become 5-6 hour rounds? For sure.

    My free time is limited. If I get away to the course, it is because my kiddo is with mom all day, or with my parents. For me, I want to be on the course and ripping along, so I can get back home.

    My single friends don't get why I can't/don't do the 2 hour drive to courses, and then the 5 hour round, and then lunch/drinks, and then drive home again. I just can't justify being gone that long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chisag View Post
    ... "You see what you want to see and hear what you want to hear" Of course slow play is a problem. People tend to look at things thru their own lens instead of considering all that play. There are a ton of reasons slow play bothers golfers. I have had 2 back surgeries and I like to keep moving. Behind a "methodical" group I can adjust my pace, but behind a genuine slow group it takes a toll on me physically and my back tightens up, especially waiting in the fairway while the betting 4some stalks their 3rd putt from every angle. My playing pard has young kids and being away from home for 6-7 hours isn't an option.
    Instead of complaining about pace, why don't you play through? If I catch a group on a tee box I ask to play through or join. Pretty simple fix.

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