Blades Vs Cavity Back
Tadashi70
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Oh it will happen after I warm up. I figure 5 balls with each.
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Shot a 109 from the Blues 6.6k after work.
Chipping was the guilty party.
Best shot. 3w 230+ yards 20 feet from the hole in a par 5.
Long game sharp. Swing change making huge difference.
But chipping and putting will be the story for 2016.
And thenn....
Scratchville Center here we come.
Ooops I was day dreaming.
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Chipping was the guilty party.
Best shot. 3w 230+ yards 20 feet from the hole in a par 5.
Long game sharp. Swing change making huge difference.
But chipping and putting will be the story for 2016.
And thenn....
Scratchville Center here we come.
Ooops I was day dreaming.
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Dave Alvarado
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That's an easy one to call, the TM is going to be a club shorter. No jacked loft. The Srixon and Callaway will be within a yard or three of each other. You've got the ball striking consistency to show that. A fairer comparison would be the TM 6i vs. the Srixon and Callaway 7i--that would be closer distances, with higher shots and steeper descents out of the GI clubs. I bet all three would be within a few yards of each other in that case.
Also, 5 balls on a launch monitor tell you nothing--I've posted my 5 ball results with blades, players clubs, and GI clubs here and basically got ridiculed. I hit the blades all within a few yards of each other and saw bigger dispersion the more GI I went. That doesn't mean I'd see results anything like that on the course in an uncontrolled environment and where I have to trust the club to pull off the shot.
If you really want to do a good test, play 6 holes with each and see how far over/under par you get on each of those sets of holes.
Tadashi70
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No offense, but I think it will tell me a great deal. I also my impact will be a bit different than yours. This isn't about finding the longest club but seeing the numbers between the three.
But given that half (if not less, depending on the layout) of your strokes are going to come with an iron on those 6 holes, is that necessarily the best way to test? I'm interested in seeing what comes out of Freddie's test. Even if the distances aren't exact, it will be interesting to see what happens with spin, dispersion, etc. That TM MB has to be lofted a bit higher to behave like a 6i - it's not going to launch like the other clubs. The 745, while they're a players iron, have launched high for me every time I've tested them, since the V sole gets more weight low.
Dr RosenRosen
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That's why you get the MP-25s instead of the 5s! Just enough junk in the trunk to get the ball up with the same Mizuno feel...
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BigQ
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Why make golf harder with blade when it's easier to play CB!!
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As the original poster. I have been going back to back between the blades and the cavity back.
From a feel perspective there is no comparison Blades rule.
From a forgiveness or distance perspective the Cavity Backs are kings of the game.
But since I don't play for profit. I quite frankly enjoy the feel over the forgiveness and distance.
But to each their own. My preference isn't the norm or the final answer.
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What do people think about the split set approach such as with the new Cobra King Pros where the long irons are CB and the short irons are MB?
I hit with them the other day at Golfsmith and found better results with this set then I did when I tried other blades such as the Mizunos - I just seemed to find the sweet spot more often with the Cobras. Though, I found that the average distances were about a club less than I have with my Mizuno forged 850s and still think that I much prefer playing those than blades. Haven't read about their design but the Cobra blades seemed more forgiving than the Mizuno blades overall. I haven't played blades since I started playing golf and dragged my grandfather's very old Sam Snead Wilson's out of the basement in the mid-80s - taught myself how to play using those clubs which wasn't easy but probably went a long way for me - then moved on to game improvement clubs after about a year or so. Every now and then I think about trying blades and seeing how they feel but have always quickly dropped the idea after hitting in a store or on the range. However, the Cobras were the first set of blades (well partial blades) that left me really wanting to have the chance to play 18 with them and see how it goes. Doubt I'll find a demo set to take on the course but it was fun to give them a try.
I have a hunch that blades magnify swing flaws and that given a few things that I do with my swing (particularly, my swing being overly steep), blades will probably never be the "right" match for me. Perhaps a more classic (err, correct) swing and better ball striking as a result brings out the best in blades. Funny thing was that my son (who luckily has a pretty classic proper swing) fell in love with the Cobras and even though they were too long for him and had stiff shafts, after hitting about 40 balls with the short irons, he managed to find the sweet spot probably 8 times out of 10, gained 20% in distance and was usually within 2-6 yards of the center line on the simulator and he was even able to hit controlled draws and cuts in a way that he is not able to do with his own short irons....I wasn't even close to those types of results when I hit them. I was very surprised by my results and his results and figure that it must come down to swing type and the mistakes that I make on my swing that he doesn't make. At this point, I don't see myself changing my swing and so suspect that staying with clubs like the Mizuno 850s will bring out a better game in me than trying to shoehorn blades into my game. My son made me promise that I'd take him back this weekend to hit the Cobras again and so maybe I'll try them again as well.
I hit with them the other day at Golfsmith and found better results with this set then I did when I tried other blades such as the Mizunos - I just seemed to find the sweet spot more often with the Cobras. Though, I found that the average distances were about a club less than I have with my Mizuno forged 850s and still think that I much prefer playing those than blades. Haven't read about their design but the Cobra blades seemed more forgiving than the Mizuno blades overall. I haven't played blades since I started playing golf and dragged my grandfather's very old Sam Snead Wilson's out of the basement in the mid-80s - taught myself how to play using those clubs which wasn't easy but probably went a long way for me - then moved on to game improvement clubs after about a year or so. Every now and then I think about trying blades and seeing how they feel but have always quickly dropped the idea after hitting in a store or on the range. However, the Cobras were the first set of blades (well partial blades) that left me really wanting to have the chance to play 18 with them and see how it goes. Doubt I'll find a demo set to take on the course but it was fun to give them a try.
I have a hunch that blades magnify swing flaws and that given a few things that I do with my swing (particularly, my swing being overly steep), blades will probably never be the "right" match for me. Perhaps a more classic (err, correct) swing and better ball striking as a result brings out the best in blades. Funny thing was that my son (who luckily has a pretty classic proper swing) fell in love with the Cobras and even though they were too long for him and had stiff shafts, after hitting about 40 balls with the short irons, he managed to find the sweet spot probably 8 times out of 10, gained 20% in distance and was usually within 2-6 yards of the center line on the simulator and he was even able to hit controlled draws and cuts in a way that he is not able to do with his own short irons....I wasn't even close to those types of results when I hit them. I was very surprised by my results and his results and figure that it must come down to swing type and the mistakes that I make on my swing that he doesn't make. At this point, I don't see myself changing my swing and so suspect that staying with clubs like the Mizuno 850s will bring out a better game in me than trying to shoehorn blades into my game. My son made me promise that I'd take him back this weekend to hit the Cobras again and so maybe I'll try them again as well.
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I like when there is a mixed set designed by the OEM better than making up ones own combo set...not against doing one on own just there's times lofts have to adjusted to get gapping.
regarding cobra these have a very string lineup this year and the King forged MB/CB combo is going to be a good set.nim pondering this set or maybe just the CB.
regarding cobra these have a very string lineup this year and the King forged MB/CB combo is going to be a good set.nim pondering this set or maybe just the CB.
Dave Alvarado
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I bought a 5i-8i CB, 9i-GW MB. That's what I think about them. :act-up:
I suspect you're finding the sweet spot more because it's actually in the middle of the face rather than toward the hosel like most blades because of the tungsten plugs in the toe of the clubs.
Wicked Cool Bearded Man
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I'm a huge fan of combo sets. I wish more OEMs would offer them
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Cool - I hope you enjoy them. Didn't realize that their design created a different type of sweet spot - not surprised then that they felt better than most blades. I will have to pay closer attention when I go back.
3puttparGuy
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I agree with the forged cavity back take. Just a bit disappointed you left out Bridgestone. J40 CB is still the sexiest looking forged CB of all time (IMO of course :bashful
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What's the Handicap ratingI agree with the forged cavity back take. Just a bit disappointed you left out Bridgestone. J40 CB is still the sexiest looking forged CB of all time (IMO of course :bashful
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3puttparGuy
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According to Bridgestone, they are suited for professionals to mid cappers.
I've never played blades, or "shovels," but these offer the perfect balance for me. I previously had j40 dpc which are bigger and supposed to be more forgiving. Consistently the CB performed better for me. I was looking to upgrade to j15 but they don't suit the my eye as well.
I've never played blades, or "shovels," but these offer the perfect balance for me. I previously had j40 dpc which are bigger and supposed to be more forgiving. Consistently the CB performed better for me. I was looking to upgrade to j15 but they don't suit the my eye as well.
ProZoneGolf
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Just bagged Yonex Ezone MB Blades . Pulled my shafts from Hogan 1999 Apex Blades. Installed them 'exactly' the same orientation. So here I have a real comparison head to head. It will take me a while to get a full review going on this club, here are some initial findings.
These are bought from Japan with X100's at 1/4' short, that played soft to flex, and D1 with lead in the tips. I was hitting draws that were tight dispersion, just a tad low and had trouble holding greens in mid irons. about 5y short from Hogans flying 160y 7i / 1 deg weak. I installed my Rifle FCM 7.0's at 1/8 long with a inch of lead tape behind the 'fat' muscle. Now flights are penetrating, higher and very stable in wind. My Fcm's made these awesome...which are shafts hand picked, spined/Flo and I know them 'well'
Ok here is the skinny: These are the best pin-point accurate / laser / rope irons EVER in my hands. Dispersion is much much tighter than Hogan 1999, and that's saying something! my initial response was Wow!
I can go right at pins tucked back, fly over trouble. The tightness of the shots was very impressive to me, it was just seeing/playing the bounce release to were I would end up. Whats impressive is a bad swing (not a miss hit) like a hold off push, or a slight pull were still hitting greens and I had putts. I know my swing and these shots should be right green side first cut / rough...or pulled down the back of a green slope...OMG they are on the green!
Distance control is better, and put some low bump n run's to 1-2ft, dropped another ball, did it again...from 68y 8i. Now miss hits lose 5y and are not bad, as I always swing through the ball to a good finish, however the mis hit stays on line well. The sweet spot is slightly smaller than 1999, however the solidness of the flights are superior. I have never in my golfing career seen flights that cover pins so tightly on good shots, that outshine any bad swings and miss hits. I still have mental visions of the flights burn't in my brain. My playing partners all agree this is a whole new level. The irons are that good!...well all JDM stuff is. I read reviews on this iron for 1 1/2 years, and many blade players give this head the edge over Miura TB's. IMO: Yonex MB are the cream of the crop, and at $1500 new!... they deliver
These are bought from Japan with X100's at 1/4' short, that played soft to flex, and D1 with lead in the tips. I was hitting draws that were tight dispersion, just a tad low and had trouble holding greens in mid irons. about 5y short from Hogans flying 160y 7i / 1 deg weak. I installed my Rifle FCM 7.0's at 1/8 long with a inch of lead tape behind the 'fat' muscle. Now flights are penetrating, higher and very stable in wind. My Fcm's made these awesome...which are shafts hand picked, spined/Flo and I know them 'well'
Ok here is the skinny: These are the best pin-point accurate / laser / rope irons EVER in my hands. Dispersion is much much tighter than Hogan 1999, and that's saying something! my initial response was Wow!
I can go right at pins tucked back, fly over trouble. The tightness of the shots was very impressive to me, it was just seeing/playing the bounce release to were I would end up. Whats impressive is a bad swing (not a miss hit) like a hold off push, or a slight pull were still hitting greens and I had putts. I know my swing and these shots should be right green side first cut / rough...or pulled down the back of a green slope...OMG they are on the green!
Distance control is better, and put some low bump n run's to 1-2ft, dropped another ball, did it again...from 68y 8i. Now miss hits lose 5y and are not bad, as I always swing through the ball to a good finish, however the mis hit stays on line well. The sweet spot is slightly smaller than 1999, however the solidness of the flights are superior. I have never in my golfing career seen flights that cover pins so tightly on good shots, that outshine any bad swings and miss hits. I still have mental visions of the flights burn't in my brain. My playing partners all agree this is a whole new level. The irons are that good!...well all JDM stuff is. I read reviews on this iron for 1 1/2 years, and many blade players give this head the edge over Miura TB's. IMO: Yonex MB are the cream of the crop, and at $1500 new!... they deliver
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bat21
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This exactly for me as well.......I grew up playing blades, as there were no cbs or gi iron sets available(60's). so this is how I learned the game. That being said, it is up to the needs of the individual, and their goals, ego, etc.
It feels good when I get complimented by other golfers, both young and old when they say "How can you hit blades?"
Having played baseball competitively for 30 yrs. also lends itself to being ahead of the curve in terms of hand-eye coordination, so I have an advantage in terms of ability that way, so my mishits are fewer. The hardest thing ever is hitting a 90 mph slider that breaks late down and away. Hitting a golf ball sitting static is much easier for me.
You must have been facing Randy Johnson, because he is one of very few that I can imagine ever threw 90 MPH sliders.