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    Groove wear - study by Vokey wedges

    Saw this on twitter and thought it could be useful info.

    https://www.vokey.com/spin/spin-perf...ove_wear_video


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    Shocker. A wedge company recommends changing wedges.
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    Interesting watch. I wonder how many shots they equate to be per round usage? Also how much affect driving range use affects this.
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    I didn't realize the differences would be that substantial. Thanks for sharing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blugold View Post
    Shocker. A wedge company recommends changing wedges.
    Lol I thought the same thing. Not exactly a study by an impartial party...

    Still interesting information though. I probably switch every 125 rounds ish anyways, since I only play 40-50 in a given year, tops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blugold View Post
    Shocker. A wedge company recommends changing wedges.
    I think it was good that they (more or less) quantified roll out. I don't know how many full swings, partial swings, chip shots 75 rounds or 125 rounds equate to though. That would be important info to have imo. Still, I do like that they provided actual data to back up their recommendations.
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    I know my LW has wear on it but I use the hell out of it practice wise. Im out in the yard chipping and pitching balls all the time. I thought about upgrading this year to the SM6's but figured I would try and make it until the SM7's come out.
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    I thought grooves didn't make as much of a difference with a nice clean lie like that. There didn't look like any debris to channel away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkiBumGolfer View Post
    Lol I thought the same thing. Not exactly a study by an impartial party...

    Still interesting information though. I probably switch every 125 rounds ish anyways, since I only play 40-50 in a given year, tops.
    Yeah, I agree. It would definitely have carried more weight if this were done by an independent company. I hadn't seen that data before though and thought it was worth sharing. Looked like a well done test from what little we could see.
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    just adding in another confusing piece to the wedge spin discussion. This is saying that the grooves have an impact on up to 14 feet of roll out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2BFAST View Post
    I know mine has wear on it but I use the hell out of it practice wise. Im out in the hard chipping and pitching balls all the time. I thought about upgrading this year to the SM6's but figured I would try and make it until the SM7's come out.
    Hope I didn't cost you $$!
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    Quote Originally Posted by obedt View Post
    Yeah, I agree. It would definitely have carried more weight if this were done by an independent company. I hadn't seen that data before though and thought it was worth sharing. Looked like a well done test from what little we could see.
    I'd agree, though I'd be interested to see the actual data though. Because all the swing variables are being eliminated, the standard deviation of the spin data from a robot will be MUCH lower that with a real swing - even a pro's. I would think if you did this test with a bunch of golfers and recorded their spin data with worn faces vs new ones, you may not come to the same conclusion (although you may).
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    Quote Originally Posted by obedt View Post
    Hope I didn't cost you $$!
    ha, no you didn't. Right now im not seeing much difference but we'll see when the greens get slicker and harder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cbaker2882 View Post
    just adding in another confusing piece to the wedge spin discussion. This is saying that the grooves have an impact on up to 14 yards of roll out.
    I think the measurements were in feet, so roughly divide that by 3. Difference is 4 to 5 yards. Think that helps to keep things in perspective a little.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkiBumGolfer View Post
    I'd agree, though I'd be interested to see the actual data though. Because all the swing variables are being eliminated, the standard deviation of the spin data from a robot will be MUCH lower that with a real swing - even a pro's. I would think if you did this test with a bunch of golfers and recorded their spin data with worn faces vs new ones, you may not come to the same conclusion (although you may).
    Great point SBG. And I agree with the premise that we have to take the manufacturer's word on something like this w/ a bit of trepidation.
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