The Flushing Sound Coming from California is....

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The thousands of “nonviolent” prisoners being released when Prop 57 (The Public Safety and Rehabilitation Act) passes. Of course the Governor, who pushed the proposition onto the ballot, neglected to define what a nonviolent offender actually is.

The following crimes are considered “nonviolent” for purposes of Prop 57

·Assault with a deadly weapon resulting in serious bodily injury (shooting, stabbing, etc)
·Battery with serious bodily injury
·Solicitation to commit murder
·Domestic violence
·Inflicting corporal injury on a child
·First degree burglary (if nobody is home)
·Rape/sodomy/ oral copulation of an unconscious person or by use of a date rape drug (“Boys will be boys” AKA Brock Turner from Stanford )
·Human trafficking involving a minor
·Hate crimes
·Arson of forest land causing physical injury
·Assault with a deadly weapon on a Peace Officer
·Active participation in a street gang
·Exploding destructive device w/intent to cause injury (Boston Bombing, Unabomber, etc)

So why is the Governor pushing this?
He has stated that he feels badly that when he was in office the first time that several “tough on crime” laws were passed (3 strikes, etc.) and that as a result that so many people are spending most of their lives in prison. He has also said that it is the community’s job to rehabilitate offenders not the State’s.


So how will the passing of Prop 57 cause the release of thousands?
Here in California we have enhancements that can add extra time to the base sentence. For example, a crime might have a triad of 3, 5, or 7 years (low, middle, upper term) as the base sentence. If you have previously been sent to prison your sentenced is increased by a year, if you have been previously convicted of a “strike” prior (violent felony) your sentence is doubled. Multiple victims also increase your sentence. Individuals convicted of violent crimes have to do 85% of their sentenced time. If convicted of nonviolent crimes, individuals only have to complete 50% of there sentences.


All of the “enhancements” fall off retroactively when 57 passes for those convicted of the “nonviolent” crimes listed above effectively meaning that they are only being held on the base charge. Due to the backlog created by too many defendants and not enough courtrooms most serious felony trials usually take over a year or more to go to trial. So for example, someone that receives a 3 year sentence would only do 18 months and if the have already spent 1 year in custody they would effectively only do 6 months in prison.

The Public Safety and Rehabilitation Act really doesn't sound like it will improve public safety to me. However, I'm just a potential victim so what do I know?
 
Prop 57 also, retroactively, removes the District Attorney's ability to "direct file" more commonly know as "trying as an adult" on minors for serious, violent crimes (murder, rape, etc) All minors will have to be found unfit by the juvenile court before they could be tried in adult court. Historically, at least locally, juveniles were never found unfit which is why the State Legislature gave the D.A's the option to try the minor as an adult.

Why is this important? The Juvenile Court only has authority over the "Ward" until they turn 25. Therefore, if a ward is convicted of murder at age 16 he/she can by law only do 9 years. I have talked to a Judge that completed an assignment at Juvenile Court. He said that for the serious violent crimes that he routinely sentences adults to 25 to life, in Juvenile Court the "Wards" go home with their parents.

Here are a couple of examples of how Prop 57 impacts juveniles tried as adults:

10 years ago a 16 year old gang member ambushed/killed a Deputy Sheriff. His resentencing to ensure that his life sentence did in fact comport with recent Federal Court rulings occurred last month. Based on Prop 57 his case will be removed from adult court and he will be returned to Juvenile Court for sentencing. Since he is over 25 he will be released.

Two defendants (16 and 17) broke into a 96 year old woman's home and beat and stomped her to death. The attack was so violent that the subfloor to her home was damaged. Both defendants were giggling and laughing while talking with each other when the detectives put them together following their individual interviews. Again, their life sentences will be set aside by the Juvenile Court.
 
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That is nucking futs! Apparently "nonviolent" has taken on a meaning contrary to what I always understood it to be.
 
Second post updated.
 
Wow...so many things wrong with the political and justice systems in this country and world...I cannot wrap my head around it.
 
shouldn't this be in the "rant" thread?
 
shouldn't this be in the "rant" thread?

Possibly. Though depending on which side of the wall you're on it could be in the "happy" thread...
 
If you ever want to know how to run an effective government just do the exact opposite of California.
 
If you ever want to know how to run an effective government just do the exact opposite of California.

Yup, the GDP of the state is top 10 for countries in the world, and yet we are constantly running a deficit that is going to get worse because they are going to run all businesses out of the state.

So we will have "non violent" offenders roaming the street and more unemployment... why the f*&% do I live here again?
 
I'm sorry but California should be punished for being this freaking stupid... There's been a lot of stuff, but this is noteworthy... Maybe if we're lucky others will follow. Jeez.
 
why the f*&% do I live here again?

Great weather, fantastic scenery, awesome golf and In-N-Out burger!


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Those are the 4! Will see how long I can afford to stay where I am.


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Those are the 4! Will see how long I can afford to stay where I am.


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Exactly. San Diego COL is increasing every month. Don't forget we have just about ran out of housing as well.


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I'm sorry but California should be punished for being this freaking stupid... There's been a lot of stuff, but this is noteworthy... Maybe if we're lucky others will follow. Jeez.
This is what happens when the voters don't read past the title.
Last year it was Prop 47 (Safe Schools) that made possession of stolen property, including guns, a misdemeanor. Additionally, all drugs including Meth, heroin, etc are misdemeanor offenses except sales cases. Oh, and not to leave businesses out, any shoplifting less than $950.00 is also a misdemeanor. The news have shown people taking stuff and literally using a calculator so they don't exceed the limit. When caught they sign a promise to appear and leave. Plus, no matter how many times they are convicted, they can no longer be charged with a felony.

News reporter asked the Governor about the huge increase in property crimes since Prop 47 passed. Governor said with a straight face "there's no correlation".

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This is what happens when the voters don't read past the title.
Last year it was Prop 47 (Safe Schools) that made possession of stolen property, including guns, a misdemeanor. Additionally, all drugs including Meth, heroin, etc are misdemeanor offenses except sales cases. Oh, and not to leave businesses out, any shoplifting less than $950.00 is also a misdemeanor. The news have shown people taking stuff and literally using a calculator so they don't exceed the limit. When caught they sign a promise to appear and leave. Plus, no matter how many times they are convicted, they can no longer be charged with a felony.

News reporter asked the Governor about the huge increase in property crimes since Prop 47 passed. Governor said with a straight face "there's no correlation".

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Note to self.....never move to California UNLESS I decide to turn into a criminal. Wouldn't have to work if I could walk into a store and steal $949.99 worth of stuff. Even if I get caught, I get slapped on the wrist and go back out and rinse and repeat.
 
I think the flushing sound will actually be the sound of 20 million bongs going to work on the legal ganja. Or it could be the sound of the porn industry having to wrap their junk (yeah, we are actually voting on condoms for porn actors).

Lots of propositions this year, some dumber than others. It's unfortunate that such serious things (& some less serious as well, see above) get decided by voters that tend to not give a crap. But at the end of the day if we can let a porn star enjoy the green leaf STD free, it's a win.
 
This is terrible. I love California, most beautiful state in the CONUS, so many great memories. Over the years I've had multiple opportunities to move there but with the tsunami of political and social issues coupled with losing a few hundred grand every year to the tax man the thought of moving never stayed in my brain for more then a few seconds.
 
Also, I would encourage folks to read about Prop 57. It's not quite as cut and dried as the OP says. The OPs list of crimes pertains to minors who are prosecuted as adults. In CA the prosecutor decides if a minor will be tried as an adult, not a judge. 57 repeals that.

As for parole for anyone and everyone, it does not do that. It basically says that if you are serving a sentence for non-violent crimes, you are eligible for parole after serving the full term of your primary offense.

So it is what it is. No disrespect Don, I was reviewing my cheat sheet and started reading the text of the law and felt the need to post.
 
California may be messed up, but still would rather live here than anywhere else in the US. I'm sure a lot of that is because I'm on the Central Coast, less population, no traffic and a lower cost of living.
 
California may be messed up, but still would rather live here than anywhere else in the US. I'm sure a lot of that is because I'm on the Central Coast, less population, no traffic and a lower cost of living.

Yep, very true.
 
I love California for several reasons, but I live and love it in Texas.

I could move to Cali, twin city area in Minnesota, Seattle, or possibly DC/NOVA
 
I think the legal systems are messed up all over the world

Personally I think that whatever crime they committed, they should be subject to the same thing themselves - eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, life for a life
 
Whatever, all I know is I voted to legalize marijuana and no jimmies in my porn!

Actually, I am not sure what I voted for, It was all a blur....
 
Whatever, all I know is I voted to legalize marijuana and no jimmies in my porn!

Actually, I am not sure what I voted for, It was all a blur....

My man from Amsterdam!


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Great weather, fantastic scenery, awesome golf and In-N-Out burger!


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You get the same thing in Texas. Plus, we don't let criminals out. Well we do but under much different circumstances.
 
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