Off Course is back this week with a fantastic show. Hosted by Dan Edwards each Friday he gives you a deep look into the world of golf and equipment in a way unlike any other podcast has done before. Today Dan welcomes Jason Horodezky from Kinetixx Shafts to the show to talk Kinetixx Shaft Flex and an array of topics surrounding golf shafts in general.
It wouldn’t be Off Course without some tangents, but Jason joins the show to discuss Kinetixx, provide a shaft boot camp of knowledge and so much more. This show has a lot going on and it is an episode you will not want to miss as equipment Jason Horodezky goes Off Course.
Episode 71 is here and Dan and Jason Horodezky discuss the following topics.
Long Drive
Kinetixx Golf Shaft Flex
Club Building Mistakes
And so much more
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THPGolf · Off Course: Kinetixx Shaft Flex and Club Building
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Been saying this for a while now.
love it! I am curious to know more about why no swing weighting is no longer needed. Or did I hear that wrong?
But I am not sure I understand that reduced taper?
I have a lot of takes on this subject, that probably differ for the reasons Jason believes it. But using an ancient system to create precision through a set when shafts, heads and grips are built so differently now makes no sense to me. I agree with Jason wholeheartedly. We see this idea of "add weight back" to get to swing weight and I find that crazy based on the current design philosophy of shifting small amounts of grams and the impact it can have.
Also, I’m now reconsidering the idea of adding a couple more wraps to my grips.
Heh … no kidding. And I’m right here with ya.
I’ll admit when he started talking about too much epoxy and over prepping I couldn’t help thinking that @MWard subscribes aggressively to that logic.
I am not sure how to get the right amount. Was he saying you just add the amount of powder needed to your mix to assemble the head? I always have extra epoxy when I mix it for a build. I am not sure how to control getting the right amount to get the desired swing weight.
This doesn’t mean I put way too much in the build itself just that I always mix extra and keep it around to see how it sets.
Hopefully he doesn’t mind being a regular, because I feel like we’ve barely scratched the surface with him.
I hope so. So many follow up questions… so curious to hear how he feels about pureing.
Maybe in a couple months I’ll see if he wants to get back on the show to answer listener questions. I bet you guys have a lot of them.
makes sense. But follow up. Swing weight is really just a balance point measurement right? So matching swing weights just means they will all feel similar so to similar balance point numbers.
we have all picked up a club and thought. Dang, this feels heavy. What we are most likely feeling is the swing weight or balance point. Static weight is mostly likely very close to average for all clubs.
This is where it gets a bit challenging for me, because we really didn’t touch on extremes. No grip building or tip building for significant shifts in swingweighting, only really about the application regardless of depth.
For me, I’ve built many, MANY sets in my basement, have not swingweighted a single one, and function just fine out there. I definitely sense a difference between 90g and 130g, but finite variances in a set of irons with same shafts are totally lost on me.
Yes, except by doing so (and only my opinion) that would mean you would want the balance point measurement the same in all of your clubs, yet you choose shaft parameters differently in driver let’s say and wedges because you want them to do different things. So adding weight to one side to "trick" the swing weight to be equal is not ideal in my opinion.
And I am not sure I agree on the second part. There are a lot of REALLY light shafts say in the 40 gram range that you can make feel really swing weight light or heavy based on just adding weight or taking it away from one end. Statically, picking them up they will feel light, because they are light.
you probably right on the second part. Hmm. Now I am if we should have 3 different swing weights in our bag. Wood swing weight iron swing weight, and wedge swing weight.. maybe a fourth in putter swing weight..
yeah. I kinda agree is doesn’t matter too much but something crazy is telling me in my brain it does lol..
many ways super fun listen..
That feels unfair. 1 bottle of epoxy feels like a fair standard for a shaft. You know what doesn’t fail and go flying off? A CLUB WITH WAY TOO MUCH EPOXY, DANIEL.
I think his thoughts on not reusing shafts would work now in the age of all woods having adapters but it would be a problem in irons.
I used to be a “too much epoxy” person, but now I realized if I use good epoxy it just takes a couple dollops.
You savage hahahahahaha
…..I agree though
Can you buzz him back and ask what socks we should be wearing for optimum performance when we play golf? I don’t like to leave anything to chance.
Great show! Love my Kinetixx Velocity shaft.
I will go back to this to get a better understanding what was said. I thought I heard more or less the same thing.
Wow- This was a ton of great information.
Motionwool.
true story i became an even bigger fan of kinetixx after this.
that guy is British.. lol
Fine…
YES!!!!!! Way better than ill tempered sea bass with lasers attached to their heads!
That should be trending, right?
The statement that the shafts don’t like repurposing begins at 10:50 in. Because most of the resin is baked out of the shaft during manufacture/curing, the heat actually cooks fibers not the epoxy.
I assume repurposing in this instance is changing out one adapter for another or from club head to club head.
Jason mentions very few club builders are able to do this.
Am I misunderstanding this? And that’s quite possible. Anyone have other thoughts on this? I just picked up a Velocity from a THPer. Sometime when I can start hitting balls again, we’ll find out how the shaft holds up.
Have to admit that I’m very interested to try a composite putter shaft.
My goal was to simplify the simplification and pretend I knew what he was talking about
You and me both. I think it needs to happen.
If this is true, it is a serious disadvantage of the shaft. I would cut the tip and reinstall in the adaptor.
Stiffer tip can only make it a better performing shaft?.
this is not necessarily true.
Heard the same thing. Curious more of the details of that statement as it is pretty scary for those garage tinkerers.
Taking the tip off twice using a heat gun and spring puller, the shaft was warm but able to be handled, if that’s enough to damage a shaft, that’s not good.
Here’s the real question though – you putting it into your blade or blade alternative? Haha!
So if I dont like the shaft in Titleist head(adaptor) and tipping is out; the only two options are to find someone to buy
at .`10 on the dollar or scrap it?
What’s interesting is it’s virtually the same statement that Oly made to @Canadan with LA Golf, Ping and Aldila/Mitsubishi. It doesn’t take much heat to breakdown a shaft and FWIW I literally changed tips on a Kinetixx today and checked a few things like torque and nothing changed. I just use as little heat as possible on all shafts