Every golfer has heard the phrase, “That’s good.” It usually comes after a short putt stops just shy of the hole, and before anyone has a chance to tap it in. For most recreational golfers, it’s simply part of the game. But should it be?
That question is at the heart of Episode 6 of Splitting Fairways, the THP podcast where Ryan “Hawk” and Jeremy “Lord Tox” tackle the conversations golfers have every day.
This week, the discussion centers on one of golf’s oldest unwritten rules: the gimme. Ryan argues that conceded putts are a practical necessity, helping keep rounds moving and making recreational golf more enjoyable. Jeremy counters that golf has only one finish line, the bottom of the cup, and every conceded putt turns an actual score into an educated guess.
Along the way, the conversation explores where gimmes came from, why every group seems to have its own definition of “inside the leather,” and whether routinely accepting short putts quietly inflates handicaps over time. We also examine why golfers who never seem to miss a two-footer during a casual round suddenly insist on putting everything out when money, trophies, or bragging rights are on the line.

Gimmes undoubtedly help pace of play, but they also raise an uncomfortable question: if a handicap is meant to reflect what you actually shoot, should posted scores include putts that were never made?
After listening, we want to hear from you.
What’s the longest putt that can honestly be called a gimme?
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For match play it’s gotta be a close putt (inside 2ft) or a putt for a number that won’t win for me to say “that’s good”.
In normal play, the game is to put your ball in the hole and I expect everyone to do that. You’re only cheating yourself by not putting out a 3 footer
Man I am going to be getting so many gimmes from [USER=5944]@Lord Tox[/USER] tomorrow when he gives me all those 5 footers to save a 7 and GTF off the green.
[QUOTE=”TWright, post: 14220584, member: 11048″]
Can I at least just stare you down when i make it?
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[QUOTE=”MMaynard11, post: 14220632, member: 19877″]
That was a good episode where I was waiting for someone to disagree about gimmies.
For me if it’s a match play round it will be dependent on the putt but generally for me it’s 3’ and sometimes even longer right [USER=15992]@MikeG[/USER]
For casual stroke play I’d rather putt everything out unless it’s within tap in range. Thats just me.
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what is your tap in range?
I need to give this a listen but my Grandad when someone asks “is that good?” will always say, “it’s not bad” and just stares at the guy. Like, finish the putt.
It depends on who I'm playing with. Yesterday I was paired with an elderly golfer who had trouble reaching the fairway.
I worked on swinging my driver as fast as possible and played for practice, rather than score. Sometimes I was looking for my ball in the trees while he was slowly working his way down the fairway.
He didn't putt out so neither did I. More time for socializing while keeping up the pace of play. We finished 9 holes in 1hr 57 minutes.
He was yet another golfer who had seen me on the course before and was surprised how well I played.
He indicated that he'd enjoy playing another round with me.
Just started listening. I like [USER=1193]@Hawk[/USER]’s take about there is no other hobby where we don’t fully complete the thing we are out there to do.
Once you get in the habit of putting everything out, it removes much of the stress when it matters. The stress is still there, but it’s manageable and it becomes just part of your routine.
“If we made ourselves putt more of those when we played, it probably wouldn’t feel like such a big moment.” [USER=5944]@Lord Tox[/USER]
I can’t agree with this statement more than I do. I’m not a good putter, but I typically make myself putt out in most situations because I know there will be moments when I have to putt-out in competition and, just as importantly (to me), I also want my handicap to be legit. I played against two 5’s and a 6 ‘cap this weekend and I watched all three of those guys miss multiple putts within 3′ or less as they repeatedly talked about how nervous they were over those putts. They out-putted me all day long in every other situation, but I didn’t miss a single putt within 3’ during that championship round because I was comfortable in those situations.
I’m not against playing with gimmies if that is what is agreed upon by everyone else (like at THP experiences) and won’t ever demand everyone putts out, but I also am unbothered if we have to putt out. I might make the putts or I might miss them, but I’m ok with that. If I am the one having to determine what will constitute a gimmie, I’m probably going with the length of a putter.
[QUOTE=”Jeff Spicoli, post: 14220962, member: 10545″]
Just started listening. I like [USER=1193]@Hawk[/USER]’s take about there is no other hobby where we don’t fully complete the thing we are out there to do.
Once you get in the habit of putting everything out, it removes much of the stress when it matters. The stress is still there, but it’s manageable and it becomes just part of your routine.
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But there are no other hobbies where its actually in the rules for conceding one.
Why is it okay to concede a hole when out of it, but not okay to concede a putt?
[QUOTE=”JB, post: 14220975, member: 3″]
But there are no other hobbies where its actually in the rules for conceding one.
Why is it okay to concede a hole when out of it, but not okay to concede a putt?
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I was thinking more about a casual round rather than competitive one.
[QUOTE=”Jeff Spicoli, post: 14220980, member: 10545″]
I was thinking more about a casual round rather than competitive one.
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Nobody plays by the rules as they are in any sport during casual, right?
[QUOTE=”Redd, post: 14220964, member: 5622″]
“If we made ourselves putt more of those when we played, it probably wouldn’t feel like such a big moment.” @Lord Tox
I can’t agree with this statement more than I do. I’m not a good putter, but I typically make myself putt out in most situations because I know there will be moments when I have to putt-out in competition and, just as importantly (to me), I also want my handicap to be legit. I played against two 5’s and a 6 ‘cap this weekend and I watched all three of those guys miss multiple putts within 3’ or less as they repeatedly talked about how nervous they were over those putts.
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But do you really think that putting out all the time would help you not be nervous over those putts in a competition round?
Or do you really just need to play in more competition rounds to get more comfortable?
I don’t think just putting out all the time would help that much in reducing competition stress.
[QUOTE=”Lord Tox, post: 14220511, member: 5944″]
Its not about winning, its about playing the game. As [USER=1193]@Hawk[/USER] mentioned no other sport does this. If we were playing a 1 v 1 basketball game and its 10-11, and I call foul. You going to just say, you don’t have to shoot that free throw, I know you are going to make it, that’s good?
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In most casual basketball games i’ve played nobody is shooting free throws. You get fouled and call it you get to keep the ball and we check it up again for you to try again.
So it’s similar to the adjustment for gimmes in golf.
[QUOTE=”TWright, post: 14220989, member: 11048″]
But do you really think that putting out all the time would help you not be nervous over those putts in a competition round?
Or do you really just need to play in more competition rounds to get more comfortable?
I don’t think just putting out all the time would help that much in reducing competition stress.
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I mean, I can only answer that from limited perspective, but Sunday’s round was the final grouping for our Club Championship A-flight. In the grand scheme of things, not a big deal, but as big a singles competition as I’ve played in since Sunday singles at the Morgan Cups. I wasn’t nervous over those short putts. Maybe it wasn’t because I’ve seen myself putt them out over and over in rounds that didn’t matter, but I cant definitively say that is the reason I wasn’t bothered by them while the other three were.
[QUOTE=”JB, post: 14220984, member: 3″]
Nobody plays by the rules as they are in any sport during casual, right?
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In strict adherence to them, I suppose. A few weeks ago, my dad and I played with a group at his club and it’s a Sunday morning game that he doesn’t play in, but we joined because I needed to leave by the afternoon. Anyway, their gimme range was ridiculous like anything with 5 feet was good. That felt too far to me and took away some of the challenge to me. I just started things out at that point.
[QUOTE=”TWright, post: 14220989, member: 11048″]
But do you really think that putting out all the time would help you not be nervous over those putts in a competition round?
Or do you really just need to play in more competition rounds to get more comfortable?
I don’t think just putting out all the time would help that much in reducing competition stress.
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If putting out all of the time changes the comfort level, it kind of eliminates that entire thought that the mental game is so important, right?
People need to pick one hahaha.
I guess I"m not following.
I can't speak for anyone else. When I was a kicker, during practices coach did different things to put me in situations to create pressure. Missing kicks, regardless of distance, would cost the team something and it was usually something unpleasant. The same type of thing was done with free throws during basketball practice. Miss a free throw in that high pressure drill and the rest of the team runs. Repetition in practices, while trying to create as much pressure as possible, helped make high-pressure kicks or free throws in game situations much less uncomfortable. Again, I can only speak for myself, but I feel like that creates a stronger mental game.
Gimme putts are like porn, it’s hard to define, but you recognize it when you see it, lol.
Seriously for me not all gimmes are the same. I don’t play in a league or any matches, and my competitive rounds are usually THP Experiences. If I am playing with someone who is struggling then I am more often than not going to make them putts of importance, but if the putt doesn’t impact the outcome I am telling them to pick it up.
There is also the flip side of the coin where me and my playing partner are facing equal length putts I will turn to them to say “Good-Good?” [USER=19877]@MMaynard11[/USER]
For me there is a reason I practice a lot of putts inside of 5 feet because I never know who is going to make me putt it out, and it’s well within their right to make me putt it.
I already mentioned how my grandad wants to see very single putt fall. For me, I’m a good if it’s within a foot for my regular groups I play with. If I’m playing alone I putt out everything.
lmao, [USER=1193]@Hawk[/USER] talking about gimmes like he knows what they are :LOL:
If this is about recreational golf, then I assume the majority of offered gimmes are an encouragement to the group that they are done – as we keep our own score in recreational play and decide what we shoot. I’ve seen plenty of rake jobs around the putter length that are determined by the group and the putter to be good despite lipping out and it has zero impact on anyone involved.
I don’t have a problem with a match deciding in the moment whether a putt should be given or not. I think when handicaps are included it muddies the water a bit more, but I also don’t think it’s a pace of play thing. It’s how you want to win.
Heck yes. About to head into town for some errands and will turn this one on.
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what is your tap in range?
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18” tops. But that is just for me. Others can do whatever they choose for a gimmie range.
[QUOTE=”Meryn, post: 14220840, member: 86338″]
I need to give this a listen but my Grandad when someone asks “is that good?” will always say, “it’s not bad” and just stares at the guy. Like, finish the putt.
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The first rule of getting gimmes is you never ask for gimmes.
If someone asks you know they don’t want to putt it. It’s a giveaway.
Awesome listen on a spicy topic [USER=5944]@Lord Tox[/USER] & [USER=1193]@Hawk[/USER]! I personally prefer to putt everything out but will accept and give gimmes if that’s how the group is playing but would like it discussed early in the round. For example I played a round in May where I had a nice green side chip to like 8-9” and by the time I picked my putter up and started the walk to go tap in, one of the random guys we were paired with had picked up my ball and was tossing it to me with the “that’s good”, up to this point we had been putting everything out so I was a little bummed I didn’t get to finish out and hear the ball drop.
I've missed more 18 inch putts than I care to discuss here….. :rolleyes: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :poop:
Inside the leather was the old standard, but then people stated using longer putter grip. Standard putter grips used to be approx 11 inches long.
I'm OK with giving putts from 11 inches, 17 inches is another story, although that seems to be about the accepted norm these days.
If folks want to give me a 3ft putt in stroke play money game…..I ain't turning it down, but I probably won't reciprocate.
Besides, I like to putt…..actually headng out to practice puttting in a few minutes.
[QUOTE=”MMaynard11, post: 14220632, member: 19877″]
That was a good episode where I was waiting for someone to disagree about gimmies.
[B]For me if it’s a match play round it will be dependent on the putt but generally for me it’s 3’ and sometimes even longer right [USER=15992]@MikeG[/USER][/B]
For casual stroke play I’d rather putt everything out unless it’s within tap in range. Thats just me.
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In match play it’s also dependent on where we stand on the hole. If I’m out of the hole, you can have the flat 5 footer – it’s a waste of time to make you putt it for a win you were going to get anyways. If you have one that’s a bit of a knee knocker to tie or win the hole, I’m gonna need to see that hit the bottom of the cup (and I’d expect the same in return).
If it’s a tap-in, I’m gonna give it to you either way. We’re not gonna stand here dicking around with one-footers. [I]#grouptwo[/I]
really loving these Splitting Fairways episodes.
I don’t really like to give gimmes. If you want to take one, go ahead. I will never say anything (if non competition) and I really don’t care whether you want to take a 10 footer in a casual round. I just dont want to have to look at a putt and decide if its 2 feet vs 3 feet and if that 3 footer is a slider and warrants a gimme. I just want to play my game and have fun. if it makes your round more fun to take a gimme on the 5 footer, go ahead.
[QUOTE=”MtlJeff, post: 14221357, member: 68350″]
The first rule of getting gimmes is you never ask for gimmes.
If someone asks you know they don’t want to putt it. It’s a giveaway.
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I’ll take a (reasonable) gimme if somebody offers it, but I’ll never ask for one.
It’s a running joke in my group – you have an easy gimme, nobody says anything so you putt it out, and then say out loud “Millions of dollars they spend finding a cure for cancer, but ain’t nobody found a cure for lockjaw yet!”
For my normal group the gimme range is anything inside the leather of your putter. It’s quick to measure and keeps up the pace. I don’t play in comps (except for THP where Trevor absolutely had me make a 2 footer) so it’s not a big deal to me. If that ever changes, then yes I will putt everything out, but I don’t care what the rest of the group is doing.
Hmmm….Probably more generous than I should be with gimmes. We definitely play that way in our Friday afternoon group.
League play it’s a little different, might have to see you putt a 2 to 3 footer, before I start giving them to you. If you’re struggling, I absolutely agree with giving some just to speed up play. Slow golf is worse than an inaccurate handicap in my opinion.
If I’m on my own, the only gimmes I take are if they are literally up against the hole.
That said – those of you playing in Wisconsin tomorrow, if you like Baby Ruth, I’m making you putt everything out.
The starter paired a rando with us one day (casual round) – on hole 2 he hits his lag putt to within 3″ of the cup and my buddy knocks it back to him. Rando kinda gives him a look and says “I prefer to putt everything out”. Fine with us, we didn’t touch his ball again for the rest of the round, but we played our own the way we always do.
I’m easy, I’ll play however a group wants to play – if it’s a league and the rule is everything hits the bottom of the cup, I’ll putt ’em out without complaining. If the rule is “in the leather”, or if it’s not defined and we’re just making the spur of the moment call on the ‘circle of love’, I’m perfectly okay with that too.
[QUOTE=”BigMac, post: 14221639, member: 3386″]
The starter paired a rando with us one day (casual round) – on hole 2 he hits his lag putt to within 3″ of the cup and my buddy knocks it back to him. Rando kinda gives him a look and says “I prefer to putt everything out”. Fine with us, we didn’t touch his ball again for the rest of the round, but we played our own the way we always do.
I’m easy, I’ll play however a group wants to play – if it’s a league and the rule is everything hits the bottom of the cup, I’ll putt ’em out without complaining. If the rule is “in the leather”, or if it’s not defined and we’re just making the spur of the moment call on the ‘circle of love’, I’m perfectly okay with that too.
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Within the diameter of the cup should never need to be struck, ever.
While I’m personally pretty generous with my gimmies, I actually get upset with some of the putts that my group kicks back to me. Just because I’m generous doesn’t mean that everyone else needs to be. That said, other than a THP experience I have never played a competitive round.
We have a guy in the regular group who fixes every lie, lifts out of bunkers and takes 7 or 8 foot gimmies. If that’s how he wants to play his game that’s fine with me. Myself I would rather putt everything because seeing and/or hearing the ball go in the hole feels like I’ve completed the task. Sure, if I have a putt that stops within 12″ of the hole and someone kicks it back no biggie but beyond that I should be putting it. I can miss almost anything if I put my mind to it :ROFLMAO:
A couple of years ago I had a guy in my group who was a +3 or +4 and one thing that really impressed me was that he putted everything out. He took zero gimmies. That really impressed me, but it also makes a lot of sense because outside of match play there is no such thing as a conceded putt/gimmie. The completion of every hole of golf is the ball going into the cup.
[QUOTE=”Lord Tox, post: 14220495, member: 5944″]
But why? Putting the ball in the hole is literally the whole point of the game.
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for me as an example, my L4 and L5 are…not awesome. Bending over can get pretty painful at times. If I leave a ball 6″ from the cup, which is something as a die it in the hole putter I routinely do, I will 100% pick that up, add a stroke to my score as if I made the next one and have zero conscience issues about it. As my back is recovering I do that less but there were a couple years where the number of putts I hit that finished in the cup was pretty small.
I feel better these days so generally finish them as I do like the sound of the ball in the cup but there are times when “the only way I miss is if I have a stroke mid-swing, i am picking that up”
[QUOTE=”MtlJeff, post: 14220532, member: 68350″]
Interesting talking about controversy in matches…. I am pretty opinionated on this, in that if you miss a putt, it[I] obviously wasn’t a gimme, you missed it![/I]
No golfer anywhere, ever…should complain about a putt they missed that should have been a gimme. If it was that easy don’t miss it.
I know right away in every match, in my own head, if I’m a bit nervous over a putt or not. I know in my head whether it’s truly a gimme or not lol
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I think you mention it later but this is the one I set aside to reply to.
If someone asks, “Is this good” I can generally tell they don’t want to putt it and if they do putt it they are going to miss it an outsize amount of the time. If we are in a match I am likely having them putt it, outside of a match or a tournament (and every tournament I can think of I play requires ball to be holed)..sure, take it. Reverse sandbagging is a good look for you.
In my opinion a gimme is a putt you are making 999 out of a thousand. Or more. Like I saw some random pro a month or two ago whiff on a 6″ putt, that video made the rounds…statistically irrelevant.
But I come back again and again…if someone is heading toward the putt, it is one of those 1 or 2’ers…they are confident, they are skilled, they are likely dropping it, i am likely to say something like “good if you want it”. If they are hesitant to approach it and ask, “is that good?” my assumption is they will miss. They don’t always but they usually do.
just finished the episode. entertaining, thanks for putting it together.
Some saw me at Ballyhack. I prefer all but the most obvious to putt when I am feeling good (when I am hurting you will get a different answer) but I am likely overgenerous going the other way.
I took to heart the “don’t be stingy with them” but probably went overboard.
but I would rather be that way regardless.
Good discussion.
It all depends on circumstance during a match. I know it when I see it. Inside the putter is fair, unless it’s a slider, or for a win, or if you are down…. There’s plenty of nuance, without being a tool.
Listened this morning and enjoyed it.
I love idea of no gimmes but I agree that “it depends” is the right way to approach them.
Gimmes should not be a thing when the competition involves more than two opponents or teams
Haven’t listened yet. Good discussion in here though. I’m fine with gimmes, will add more thoughts after i hear the podcast.
[QUOTE=”BigMac, post: 14221577, member: 3386″]
In match play it’s also dependent on where we stand on the hole. If I’m out of the hole, you can have the flat 5 footer – it’s a waste of time to make you putt it for a win you were going to get anyways. If you have one that’s a bit of a knee knocker to tie or win the hole, I’m gonna need to see that hit the bottom of the cup (and I’d expect the same in return).
If it’s a tap-in, I’m gonna give it to you either way. We’re not gonna stand here dicking around with one-footers. [I]#grouptwo[/I]
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I’ve been know to blow it by the hole and 3-putt from inside 10’. Or even miss a 3’ putt. 😂
I think so many dont realize just how often they will miss 3′ putts especially when they rarely ever attempt them.
Pop? Could never be an issue if we adopted a putt till holed rule.
The heck with lines…your turn to putt you continue till holed. Even with no gimmies the entire process would move so much faster.
Unless greens are too soft damp that day.
Had a chip hit the lip tonight, should have dropped. Left with about 3′ to make par. Could have been given, it wasn’t. I pushed it right and tied the hole instead of winning.
This is why you shouldn’t give putts. As [USER=1193]@Hawk[/USER] said, its a good way to lose a match.