Off Course is back this week with a fantastic show. Hosted by Dan Edwards each Friday he gives you a deep look into the world of golf and equipment in a way unlike any other podcast has done before. Today JB joins the show to talk about the distance debate.
It wouldn’t be Off Course without some tangents, but we talk a bit about the new distance debate, Patrick Reed and more. This show has a lot going on and it is an episode you will not want to miss as JB Goes Off Course.
Episode 42 is here and Dan and his guest JB discuss the following topics.
The Distance Debate
Patrick Reed
Hamburgers vs Cheeseburgers
And so much more
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If they are rolling back the distance, we need bifurcation. I can see so many ways that the game differs between pros and the majority of the normal golfing population. So I struggle to see why distance on tour should have such a large affect on companies, as well as the average golfer. When I’m out on a course, I don’t see many golfers overpowering many, if any, holes. I see more shanks, duffs, and water balls than I do overpowering shots that take out most hazards. We need as much help as we can get, so that golf remains enjoyable, rather than a task. I golf to have fun, and that’s the way I hope it stays for us mere mortals.
I’m with @Canadan on the ball searching aspect. I get 3 minutes, a hope and a prayer to find a ball in long tall grass. The pros get multiple sets of eyes helping them on any given wayward shot. Maybe if the pros didn’t have that help searching, they wouldn’t take some of the chances they take.
Gotta respect that the ladies watch golf too!
usegolffacts is justine
I’ll be honest I never followed Reed I did not know how he actually played, but after watching and looking at a bunch of stuff he has a really good approach game.
This type of stuff just fuels Reed’s fire, this makes him hungry to win.
In regards to @JB saying guys need to play every single event, I stand behind that, I feel like if you have a tour card there should be a set amount of events you have to play in order to keep the card unless you have an injury/doctors note…
Enjoyed the listen, thanks!
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I enjoyed the discussion as to the Distance Debate. I hate that many, many may be affected because a few hit the ball too far (at least in the eyes of the USGA. The subject of creativity in course design and set up as being more important than distance is something that I think should be examined and discussed.
I think it’s good for the Tour that anyone in the field can win. I would think it would be great if Nesmith or Hubbard could go on to win this week.
I absolutely avoid riding carts at any opportunity. So happy and so is my back that my club allows for us to use our own push carts.
I hate winter too Dan. I have a few more years of work and then I will become a snowbird.
I own a ClicGear. It’s beautiful. Have had it for a year or two
…..and still very much brand new hahahaha
What’s next? The course is going to make you rent their clubs too?
It also is good for the sponsors who put up the money to know that too.
I actually presented it with the idea that they could charge a trail free per year of 150-200 bucks to use my own (because using a used push cart is gross, sorry not sorry). So that’s somewhere between 15-20 rounds paid out. Basically, I wouldn’t save much money if any.
The response was that some members walk an extreme number of rounds and it would be cost prohibitive to allow them to bring their own with a trail fee… Which I find impressive because my 50 rounds there last year was clawing at the tee sheet to get on (100% packed constantly). The reality? We have two outs during the offseason. One is a bump to social for substantially reduced fees, and one is an outright leave of absence, both lasting up to a year and do not require paying initiation to get back to full membership.
While I felt it unreasonable as a 20 year member to use those features because I wanted to support my club, I no longer feel that way. Screw the greed. I’ll be using both over the next two years and then reconsidering my membership the following year. Greed is gross.
I’m glad you enjoyed it. I got worried halfway through that I was ranting too much haha
I don’t blame you one bit. Hopefully they figure it out.
It’s not going to end well, I doubt.
Next I am going to pitch they use the profits from the push carts to build an indoor simulator setup / teaching center / bar.
No ?
No need to worry. I don’t think you came across that way. It’s one of the most passionate issues in golf so we’re going to have strong opinions on it.
BTW, I’m all for a cheeseburger, if it is cheese, not some processed cheese deal. Give me cheddar, swiss, bleu, colby, gouda or even mozzerella, or give me a hamburger. With an over-easy egg.
Thank you so much.
Ok, let’em have the volunteers help and give them a minute.
And we can all admit we don’t play by the same rules as the pros.
Also, cheeseburgers…1000%
My youngest daughter orders a plain cheeseburger….plain, you read that correctly….but at least it has cheese. And she’s 10, sooooooo.
In all seriousness, however this was a very entertaining listen. I was as shocked as Dan to @JB‘s opinion of Reed’s actions
I like the idea of rules guys with each group. I think the simple solution is to have 1 per hole. You dont really need one on the tee and it would seem they basically need to sit in the fairway. You would need 18 plus maybe 1 or two extra to go around for second opinions.
The distance thing is difficult. I can see some points of wanting to stop distance. And honestly in a lot of ways I think it is already organically happening. Drivers basically maxed out, plus it seems to me that they are making them more stable and adding some spin back which will slow the ball down a little. I think we are at a practical max in distance. Bryson is even planning on slimming down. While that may not decrease speed it could.
I enjoyed listening to the Podcast. One subject you discussed was the possibility of the Tour limiting driver size to the 430CC or 400CC driver size. For the past dozen years I’ve played sub 460 CC size drivers, most recently a 355 CC head (KZG SP700) and 388 CC head (S-Yard T.388) . My perspective is that anything above 350 is still a huge club head and 350 CC to 400 CC size has some significant benefits versus 460 CC. On Tour I expect no player would lose distance or accuracy by converting from 460 CC to 360 CC head size.
That’s how I was Reed’ing it and was really looking forward to a good JB rant.
I’ll still listen cause I love y’all, but I am a touch disappointed, ?.
Loved the comments from @JB related to the Reed issue, every group should have a rules official to address issues real time and said officials should have a clock on players… problem solved…
Every club that allows walking should allow outside push carts… trail fee is a great solution!
now to the disagreement… while I absolutely respect @JB and his perspective he’s wrong on 2 points…. no way was Reed’s tee shot plugged and more importantly no way should ketchup be chosen over BBQ sauce when the cheeseburger also has onion straws! ?
This would affect a very small minority of golfers (eliite amateurs and pro’s who may actually hit a ball that far) and the rest of us wouldn’t see a difference at all. Sci-ff? Perhaps, but we put a man on the moon over 50 years ago, i’m assuming they can do this… I’m sure plenty of reasons why this could be a lousy idea,,,, Anyone?
Bryson found that out on #3 at The Masters, didn’t he….lol
Thank you my dude. It was great to get a lot of that frustration out hahaha
It flowed SO well and was incredibly on point. I was curious how it would go with the topic, and I think you two did fantastic about open conversation and the big picture.
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Craig, thank you so much my friend. That means an awful lot.